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 Will you buy non-branded HDMI cable?, if it is RM20 for 3m and RM50 for 4.5m

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post Apr 16 2010, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(mikapoh @ Apr 15 2010, 11:32 PM)
But everybody here is taking Monster cable as benchmark.
I have used Monster S-Video & personally fee that it can brings a decent improvement in analogue but doubt that in hdmi
as most worldwide editors have said either you received the digital or you do not receive at all....but for more than 10m then it is recommendable to use branded ones.
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Forget about Monster. Talk something else , there's are lots of different HDMI cables that you can bring into picture.
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post Apr 16 2010, 01:05 PM

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Tesco Puchong also cheating people on their RM10 Technika HDMI cable deal.
Yesterday, I grabbed one cable off the shelve and paid together with 30+ grocery items totaling RM189.00. This morning, I ran thru the Tesco receipt, I found out that I was actually charged RM19.90 instead of RM10 for the cable. mad.gif. I'm very certain the price tag I saw at the shelve was RM10. Hypermarkets always make this kind of mistake.
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post Apr 16 2010, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Apr 16 2010, 01:05 PM)
Tesco Puchong also cheating people on their RM10 Technika HDMI cable deal.
Yesterday, I grabbed one cable off the shelve and paid together with 30+ grocery items totaling RM189.00. This morning, I ran thru the Tesco receipt, I found out that I was actually charged RM19.90 instead of RM10 for the cable. mad.gif. I'm very certain the price tag I saw at the shelve was RM10. Hypermarkets always make this kind of mistake.
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Bring the receipt and show them and ask if they can refund you back RM9.90.
Its a loss for you unless you have noticed the actual price correctly?
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post Apr 16 2010, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Apr 16 2010, 01:05 PM)
Tesco Puchong also cheating people on their RM10 Technika HDMI cable deal.
Yesterday, I grabbed one cable off the shelve and paid together with 30+ grocery items totaling RM189.00. This morning, I ran thru the Tesco receipt, I found out that I was actually charged RM19.90 instead of RM10 for the cable. mad.gif. I'm very certain the price tag I saw at the shelve was RM10. Hypermarkets always make this kind of mistake.
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is not tesco mistake..
is ur mistake who no check your receipt before you go
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post Apr 16 2010, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Apr 16 2010, 01:05 PM)
Tesco Puchong also cheating people on their RM10 Technika HDMI cable deal.
Yesterday, I grabbed one cable off the shelve and paid together with 30+ grocery items totaling RM189.00. This morning, I ran thru the Tesco receipt, I found out that I was actually charged RM19.90 instead of RM10 for the cable. mad.gif. I'm very certain the price tag I saw at the shelve was RM10. Hypermarkets always make this kind of mistake.
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maybe other customer put it on wrong shelve.... as i know the price tag will be displayed at the shelve.
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post Apr 16 2010, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(mikapoh @ Apr 15 2010, 11:32 PM)
But everybody here is taking Monster cable as benchmark.
I have used Monster S-Video & personally fee that it can brings a decent improvement in analogue but doubt that in hdmi
as most worldwide editors have said either you received the digital or you do not receive at all....but for more than 10m then it is recommendable to use branded ones.
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For anolog is very true... even for power cord also can make different.. But for digital.. hmm.gif i have not really confident..
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post Apr 16 2010, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Apr 16 2010, 01:30 PM)
is not tesco mistake..
is ur mistake who no check your receipt before you go
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I think we should give room to aeiou228 to find out the actual price.
If Tesco cashier key in wrongly, then again, its human error.
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post Apr 16 2010, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Apr 16 2010, 02:48 PM)
I think we should give room to aeiou228 to find out the actual price.
If Tesco cashier key in wrongly, then again, its human error.
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Cashier won't get wrong, she/he just scan the bar-code.
Maybe their price has change now, but they forget to change the price at its shelves.
Remember, original price is RM28.90, going down to RM15, going down again to RM10. Maybe it’s time to going up again smile.gif
Please check receipt before you go

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post Apr 16 2010, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(eMKs @ Apr 16 2010, 03:05 PM)
Cashier won't get wrong, she/he just scan the bar-code.
Maybe their price has change now, but they forget to change the price at its shelves.
Remember, original price is RM28.90, going down to RM15, going down again to RM10. Maybe it’s time to going up again  smile.gif
Please check receipt before you go
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Huh, yeah..i totally forgotten about the price scan via bar code. Yikes, i guess he has to check the receipt again.

Apa la wei ! doh.gif
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post Apr 16 2010, 04:04 PM

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HDMI: Need for Speed

Believe it or not, HDMI cables are not all created equal. Some can handle video from DVD players just fine, but if you connect a Playstation 3 to them and try to play a game, you might be in for a shock – the video might not display at the maximum resolution of your television, for example, or might not work at all. So read on, and learn all about how our cables to meet – and exceed – industry specifications so that you can enjoy your home theater to its potential.

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post Apr 16 2010, 04:40 PM

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Ok, im sorry to barge in [already damaged btw]

I found a duplicate topic @ Audiophiles : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/738072

I think we should only discuss at one place.
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post Apr 16 2010, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Apr 16 2010, 01:30 PM)
is not tesco mistake..
is ur mistake who no check your receipt before you go
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In order to prevent expected statement like the above, I made an afford to explained that I purchased 30+ grocery items together with the cable in my earlier post and the it was a long list. Perhaps you are not in the stage where you have to do grocery shopping to truly understand my situation. If I purchase just 1 item of course I will realise I'm paying RM10 extra.
It was clearly TESCO's mistake when they failed to update the price in their P.O.S.
The purpose of posting this issue up is to alert potential buyers in this thread.

QUOTE(firestater @ Apr 16 2010, 01:31 PM)
maybe other customer put it on wrong shelve.... as i know the price tag will be displayed at the shelve.
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No, I was very well informed from this thread that the cable is selling for RM10 and I saw the price tag clearly stated RM10 but what I never expected was Tesco P.O.S haven't update the price.

QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Apr 16 2010, 02:48 PM)
I think we should give room to aeiou228 to find out the actual price.
If Tesco cashier key in wrongly, then again, its human error.
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Got my RM9.9 refund from TESCO today and the customer service admitted their mistake of not updating the Point Of Sale.
Dunno how many unaware customer kena con by Tesco already lah... sweat.gif

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post Apr 16 2010, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Apr 16 2010, 07:09 PM)
Got my RM9.9 refund from TESCO today and the customer service admitted their mistake of not updating the Point Of Sale.
Dunno how many unaware customer kena con by Tesco already lah... sweat.gif
So i was right then..they have store wrong price in the POS.

FFS ! I must be careful when buying stuff.

I've noticed that too while doing groceries..
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post Apr 16 2010, 11:22 PM

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Can anyone try using the RM10 tesco HDMI cable on your PS3 and try playing on a high action, high speed game.

Please share the results.

You don't see much difference if you are using a cheap hdmi cable on a DVD player, as the chart show, that it's below standard speed level.

Testing it on a PS3 will be the best to gauge the performance of your cable. PS3 is categorised under Advanced High Speed level.





Added on April 17, 2010, 9:33 amExplaining 3D Formats
Due to the high speed of the 1920 x 1080 signal at 120Hz, extra care must be taken in cable bandwidth, connections, crimps and bending to introduce bit errors.

By George Walter
March 18, 2010
http://www.cepro.com/article/explaining_3d_formats/D1/


Extraordinary 3D is all about creating the best environment and equipping it with powerful 3D displays capable of delivering a truly immersive experience.

In the world of 3D entertainment, the believability of the experience is everything.
Let's take a look at the more advanced levels of 3D display technology available for home use.


Low Tech: 3D via Anaglyph 3D

Due to the limited number of true 3D TVs currently in homes, the delivery of television-based 3D content has had to rely on the anaglyph 3D process.

Viewed in 2D mode, the images look like "double vision" with one image having a cyan tint and the other image having a red tint. Anaglyph content is viewed using matching glasses, which have a cyan filter as the lens for the left eye, and a red filter as the lens for the right eye.

Through the anaglyph viewing process, the cyan content is only seen by the viewer's left eye and the red content is only seen by the viewer's right eye. This is the simplest and least expensive 3D delivery method and provides the least dynamic 3D experience.

The cyan and red filters tend to distort the color accuracy of the 3D content. Thus, while anaglyph 3D technology does allow 3D content to be delivered to any television in any home, it is generally considered to provide a 3D experience that is far from state of the art.


Mid Tech: 3D DLP for TVs

The first 3D DLP consumer displays were introduced in 2007 as rear-screen single-chip TVs. Using the inherent speed of the DLP's micro mirrors technology, the displays transmit left and right eye imagery separately for stereoscopic imaging with high-quality 3D glasses.

Consumer-level 3D DLP TVs enlist a specific technology referred to as checkerboard imaging. For example, the red squares of the checkerboard represent the right eye, and the black square represents the left eye. In this fashion, full 1080p images can be displayed without the need for expanded bandwidth.

The images are displayed 60Hz right eye and 60Hz left eye (equivalent to 120Hz). Since every other pixel is dedicated to either the left or the right eye, the resolution of each single eye image is only half the native resolution of the 3D television. While this does sacrifice image quality, no additional system bandwidth is required to support signal distribution.

The high-speed LCD shutter glasses allow the appropriate left eye information to transmit to the left eye and right eye information to transmit to the right eye. Thus, total left and right eye signal can equal full 1920 x 1080, if that is the native resolution of the 3D TV.


High Tech: Active 3D Projectors

The latest 3-chip 3D projectors use a more advanced technology capable of supporting full Active 3D whereby a 120Hz signal is fed to the projector (full 1920 x 1080 60Hz, left; full 1920 x 1080 60Hz, right), and the right eye and left eye are displayed sequentially. Once again, high-speed LCD shutter glasses are used and synchronized with the projector via an IR emitter, blocking the right eye when left eye content is displayed, and vice versa.

The signal requirement is that you either need a high-speed dual link DVI cable to transmit 120Hz full HD signals to the projector from the source or two standard DVI/HDMI cables - one for the right eye content, one for the left eye content.

HDMI 1.4 looks to reduce this to a single cable. Due to the high speed of the 1920 x 1080 signal at 120Hz, extra care must be taken in cable bandwidth, connections, crimps and bending so as not to introduce bit errors.

There are several DLP two-piece consumer projection systems and flat-panel displays that advertise 3D capability, but they do so only at reduced resolutions. By reducing the resolution, the electronics and response times are greatly simplified. Most gaming flat panels are maximum 1680 x 1050, and many of the single-chip 3D projectors present a maximum of 1024 x 768 resolution.

There are a number of ways to create 3D with DLP systems. There are also numerous ways of generating 3D material, so the possible outcomes are limitless!

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Honestly bro, i've seen my brother had 3 types of HDMI cables, when he used to have his PS3 , before kaput.

1st is Pioneer gold plated HDMI cable, ok works fine.
2nd he bought Monster [forgot model] v1.1 (i guess oni) .Ok works fine [no difference to 1st one]
3rd he tested using a RM10 cable 1.3b from [dont know where he bought it], no difference to 1st & 2nd.

But i didnt mean Monster or other cables are hopeless, it depends consumers need. Whether costly item or cheaper items which works the same.
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Nowaday, not easy to be a seller. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(low98944 @ Apr 17 2010, 01:16 PM)
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Nowaday, not easy to be a seller.  laugh.gif
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Nowaday buyer looking for 5 cheap plus quality plus good after sales service.... sweat.gif
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post Apr 17 2010, 07:29 PM

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can't beat tesco's after sales service for RM10 HDMI cable, you can even get the reimbursement thumbup.gif for overpriced cable

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post Apr 17 2010, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Apr 16 2010, 07:09 PM)
In order to prevent expected statement like the above, I made an afford to explained that I purchased 30+ grocery items together with the cable in my earlier post and the it was a long list. Perhaps you are not in the stage where you have to do grocery shopping to truly understand my situation. If I purchase just 1 item of course I will realise I'm paying RM10 extra.
sorry if i offend you..
but i do buy alot stuff in once...i do grocery shopping once a month too..
but before i leave, i check everything on the receipt..sometime some new cashier scan twice for an item..
you should make this as a habit...no harm spend 10mins there checking the price on the receipt..
or you could see the person scan and check the price on the spot too..

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post Apr 18 2010, 12:12 AM

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or don't wait till you leave the counter - this is what Ido - normally we should already have a basic idea of the price of things we are buying (I think it is a good habit to check price before putting the thing into the cart ), when the cashier is scanning the items, we can watch him do the scanning and also pay attention to the screen showing the price, if you think that the price is not what you expected, you can immediately stop the cashier from continuing.


Added on April 18, 2010, 12:16 amI only go to do grocery once every few months and my list is quite long...so far no problem and i will check the goods again after reaching home against the long receipt, but I did encounter getting a can of spoilt jam, but it does not make sense going back for a can of jam worthes 3.50..

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