Hi, I was just wondering who out there uses fat burners and what brand? I'm interested to hear feedback. I'm looking to get rid of the lil flab around the belly. And advice would be welcomed as well.

how's your diet and workout? eating fat burners alone wont do any good

Previously I was on a bulk up diet. I've gained from 72kg to 83kg. Muscle and of course fat as well. So now I've decided it's time to cut out the excess fat.

I've started been running on a treadmill averagely 3-5 times a week since about 2 weeks ago. I burn about 400calories each time. And I still do some weights as well.

Diet wise, I've cut out on most of the fatty meats, sweet stuff etc. Supplements wise I only take Protein powder, fish oil and multi vits.

assuming your diet is ok and you've been doing cardio 3 - 5 times a week. why dont you stick to what you do first and if there's no change in a month time. maybe you wanna check back your routine and all. then baru u think of fat burner. btw i've been using LIPO6 and gave me positive result. just my 5 cent

i use weider fat burners. the cheapest. so far got some great result for me! for 300tablet just about rm173.

how many kgs ?

lipo6 ,won countless award and less downside than other brand.

Anyway,fatburners sucks these days, in the old days they had ephedrine and it worked like a miracle.

I'm not sure. u can try google it. i eat it half an hour before workout or swimming.

i am planning to get one also.
but i still dunno which brand to get...
any suggestion guys?
lipo6, lipo6x, or hydroxycut?
or ergoamp?
haiz... Xenadrine can find in malaysia?

lipo 6 black. personally watched one of my gym mates get cut losing 5kg in 1 month with this stuff.

hmmm... lipo6 black eh? wat bout hydroxycut in comparison to this?

ingredients wise they're about the same. the new hydroxycut hardcore has even more caffeine than lipo6 black.

my buddies trying it now, haven't got their feedback yet but i assumes it delivers similar results

This post has been edited by tineagle: Apr 3 2010, 02:55 AM

I have tried tons of fat burners, Animal cuts, Lean Xtreme, Sub Q but the best by far is USP OxyElitepro. Appetite suppression is insane but they can be real pricey though, about $38USD per bottle with 90 capsules and you gotta take 3 capsules per day..

Ergolean AMP2+ , give it a try

+1

im a user too. take as few as u can just dont overdose =)

whatever fat burner is, we must do the workout and cardio rite? what is the timing for it? before and after workout?

or there is any specific time for one day..?

before workout and make sure it is 6hr away from ur sleeping hour.

But for my case, i makan lipo6 at 2 and 10pm i still in a very alert mode (which i suppose to sleep).

Yes, and ur diet buddy.

Wondering, I am not fat. But, I wanna lose body fat % until my abs definition is good. Can I consume the Lipo6 Black?

I am consuming

Daily - Ultimate Nutrition L-Carnitine
Pre workout - VPX No Shotgun.
During workout - GNC Amino Acid Tablets.
Post workout - BSN Cell Mass Creatine.
Protein - Elite Whey Protein Isolate

71kg, 175cm.

This post has been edited by josephgermani: Apr 9 2010, 03:58 PM

With proper diet, l-cartinine alone is enough

Thanks, certainly this motivates me in someway. At least I know I am in the right direction.
Thanks Jamis!

joseph, u r one rich kid. =.=

71kg at 175cm is actually ok, i dont see why you need a fat burner.

Have you actually done a body fat percentage test? Perhaps you should focus more on building up your core strength than adding in another supplement to your pile.

I've got friends with as low as 10% bodyfat but absolutely no sign of abs. Maybe this is your case?

got it, work harder in the gym for core muscles.
I've suspected maybe that's my case anyways. Thanks!

10% BF with no visible abs? Is that possible?

yes it is. go pick a few of your average skinny guy, measure their bf and see how many actually have visible abs

how much sugar u guys consume each day? let's say, 2 cube?

Sugar? preferably zero.

This post has been edited by jamis: Apr 11 2010, 04:13 PM

i think we can replace sugar with some sort of sweetener just to make it sweet without sugar. or, is it any sweet test is harmful? heh

most ppl replace sugar with honey
dont use condense milk.

Animal CUT
that's the best that i've ever used.

animal cut can still be found in kl?

Anywhere. Take an animal, immobilize it and cut a slab of flesh off with a knife. And there ya have it. Animal Cut.




Seriously, some of the guys here sell it. Ask around.

haha LOL
btw animal cut and lipo 6 black which 1 is better?

I've never used fat burners in my life. But people keep saying Animal Cut is the best so.....

you've gotta get feedback from the other members.

which section got sell animal cut?
coz i couldnt find any though

dude go to LYN Street Mart and do some homework
http://forum.lowyat.net/FoodMarket

???
It's not that hard to get.
if you want i can get it for you, cheaper too.

some picture...

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or go on an EC stack... lol

bata ade jual animal cut
and no its not the best

then wat is?

Kopi O Khaw no sugar

I'll vote for Ergolean Amp 2. It boosts my energy during workout or any sports. I took Amp 2 before slow cardio or HiiT, or badminton and basketball, 3-5 times a week, since January 2010, in the end of February, I lost from 92kg to 79kg.

The energy boosted is really significant, supercharger that makes u stay on court, track and gym for hours, keeps you going forward and forward (unless there's workout u wanna do backward then its different case =P)

*Personal Experience*

Still, wonder if a 10%fat adds fat burner into the supplements, it would still burn more for a more defined body, no? Or, it will reduce your muscle mass as well? With the correct exercise I mean.

if your protein & nutrition intake is enough to maintain your muscle mass, no it wont reduce your muscle mass.
it will reduce your overall body fats.
some people can gains muscle mass during their cut cycle, but yeah, that will depend on the correct exercise correct nutrition intake correct supplement correct everything.
blah.. im so lazy to type.



This post has been edited by ReonLim83: Apr 15 2010, 10:41 PM

Do not promote anabolic steroids here. It's illegal to do so on this forum.

Serious??? Didn't know know that.
where can i find the rules / regulation here for this section?

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=boardrules

Ahaaa!!!
thanks bro jamis..
btw is AAS illegal in malaysia?
i know its only illegal to use in msian sport.
for personal use is it illegal?

steroids nice!!!

oits, ini lagi satu.
tambah garam dan gula punya.
hahahhaa

illegal without docs prescription. haha


Chow

Exactly, lol
i know some clinic prescribe it, haahhaha.

Geez. I am so undecidesive. Lipo6 Black or Animal cut. Doh

animal cut have a better reviews.
why dont u give it a try?

Bro, you have to try to find it out.
Am not sure which works better on your body.

But if have problem swollowing pills / tablets then better go for Lipo6

Animal Cuts have i think 10-11 tablets per pack, and u have to consume 2 packs per day.
One when u first wake up, the other pack 4-6 hours later.

I've tried cuts, and u'll feel different after u've taken the cuts esp in the morning.

cuts around RM150 - 160 not sure for 3 weeks..
lipo6 ? RM160-180??? for no idea??


Both has Synephrine and caffeine, ah phewwwwwwwwwwwww....................

CUTS


Lipo-6 black


This post has been edited by ReonLim83: Apr 19 2010, 06:23 PM

I dun think the Hitam lipo6 worth the price thou, from wat i read last time they just add in some oth herbal stuff (i forgot wat was it). but the HCL thinggy inside lipo6 itself are quite effective, going to loo for few times a day and less flatulence.

No idea on animal cut, but some claim that it is better.

certain fb works differently on different individual...lipo 6 black sure is a good investment...same goes to animal cut...among the different is animal cut was used since a decade ago by the pros...

bata got it quite right
but just to inform AAS aint illegal
even possessing them pun tak kire illegal sebenarnye unless they are considered controlled items (like proviron and other ancillary items like tamoxifen / growth hormone etc etc)


but why pakai fat burners?
why cant u go thru hell to burn those fats
i like trial and errors
recently i gained 3kgs in 2-3 weeks instantly just because i ignored some veggies in my diet which i used to have during breakfast and i blamed my neglect on HIIT...
learn ur body first before u take those fraud

well, some ppl may want to take it the faster way.
or probably give a boost to their effort?
they can afford it, so why not?
its like, why u wanna take whey?
why cannot go through hell by eating eggs?
haha... get the drift? =.=

hahaha
well u have a point jugak
tapi i'd rather take whey since absorption rate is fast
and egg protein (albumen) dah ade in whey

haha... thats wat i mean.
its more convenient and also its a faster way to get cut.
if u have the money, u can supp all u want.
if u got sponsor kan lagi bagus?

other than going to the toilet every couple hours, i dont see much effect from cuts at all and i actually try 2 cycles on it as well... only animal products i will take is animal pak and that's it..

its because ur diet sucks and u dont actually work hard enough for it to have effect.
or maybe, ur body aint suitable for that product.
its not a magic pill that u take, instantly u get cut.
its fat burner, and u got to do the rest of the work.
its like taking 10 scoops of whey a day, but u dont workout well.
wats the point?

what jon is trying to say is this
TRIAL AND ERROR
huhuhuhuhu
kalau tak nampak effect, either ur diet or even if ur diet is stainless, its ur body
what animal cut tak bagi tau is (look at bb.com forums) these things are not meant for those high in bf
thats that
its good for those yang dah cut macam john91 ke, bata ke, kmaru ke (but then again their bodies may not even correspond)


read away dude

do you even know whats my diet looks like and my workout routine at the gym? sitting at 175lbs taking 150-175 grams of protiens and 1.6k cal daily is sucky diet lmao.. 10 scoop of whey? lol even if you workout like a mofo thats still overkill so next time come up with better comparison if you wanna look like a smart ass...

btw i am not saying cuts sucks and i have friends that gets good result with it, i just post my experience with it and universal products are always top notch in my book especially pak which is the best multi vitamins that i've taken...

oh smart ass eh?
haha... well, wateva dude.
10 scoop of whey is overkill?
hahaha... then, i guess, u r smart ass to say its overkill. =.=
if u know how much some ppl takes their protein, then u know it aint overkill.
and yeah, i dunno wat ur diet like... neither ur workout routine.
thats why i say, it could be ur diet sucks, ur workout aint right, or maybe, its just not for u?
read properly b4 shooting... smart guy

all you need is 1 gram protiens per body lb to keep your muscle mass so are you talking about 250g of protien on that 10 scoop so its either you are 250lbs big guy that takes whey all day without any real food? you dont know me and assume my diet/workout sucks without even knowing it so whos gonna read and do more research properly? smart ass.

keep calling ppl smart ass la.
hahaha... there is nth for me to research on u.
i am just saying a simple 3 things.
diet, routine, or it aint for u.
thats all... it could be either one.
u wanna take it whichever way, so be it.
i dont give a damn wat u say anyway.
mr sensitive... hahaha

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Added on April 20, 2010, 1:33 amby the way, 10 scoop of whey is metaphor.
i didnt mean asking u to take literally 10 scoops.
i know some ppl that does.
and yeah, they are way bigger.
if u read properly wat i mention, then u know i am generalizing why ppl dont really get the result.

This post has been edited by JonYeap: Apr 20 2010, 01:33 AM

cause you got pwned so bad i am sorry i hurt your feelings but if you didn't snap on me first, it wouldn't look so ugly on you.. peace!

just dont take it too personally or be too sensitive like a girl.
any more problems, u can pm me.
don't have to dirty the forum...
u can always pm me if u r still sensitive bout it.

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Added on April 20, 2010, 1:37 amhaha i got pwned?
muahaha... oh well, if u like to think that way, so be it.
wakakaka...

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Added on April 20, 2010, 1:44 amyes... haha... thats what i meant.
but mr sensitive got it all wrong.
hahaha... he thinks he pwned me.
oh well, let him be happy bout his call then.
haha... eh gto, u cannot say like that.
later he say his body more cut than john91, bata, kmaru all...
haha... then he later say he pwned u. =.=


This post has been edited by JonYeap: Apr 20 2010, 01:44 AM

Diet wise, you can eat all the protein in the world but still not getting lean if you consume high amount of carbs everyday.

@Hcktr : why dont you post your diet and workout routine here so we can give some opinion?

Cutting has been working really well for me, i went for a zero carb diet for 4 months and i dropped 12kg in weight, 2 belt notch, 3" of waistline , and i gained lots of stretchmarks. What jonyeap said was true, cutting is all about diet + workout, fatburner is just an accelerator.

Lets reply in peace , brah ;D

Or we can learn from u ?

i cant wait for him to post his diet, workout routine and pics.
wooo... it will be interesting since he said like he is doing everything so well.

lipo 6 black works for me !!! hahahhaaaa.....

+ 1

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Added on April 20, 2010, 12:35 pmyeah...my friends also gave positive feedback...same goes to lipo6x and lipo6...

Ergolean AMP 2 also not bad !!

This post has been edited by diablokun: Apr 20 2010, 12:35 PM

I was once at my highest weight at 215 lbs and waistline 36-38 in december 2009, actually 16th dec to be exact thats when i broke up with my ex and i start to hit the gym... right now i am 175 lbs and waistline 30-32 and i do agree that you don't rely on fat burners to lose weights but what i am wanting from them are reduce appetite and caffeine. If you read my posts, you would have notice that i never says lets just take fat burners and you'll get lean in no time. I am just saying i only see myself going to the restroom every few hours when i am taking animal cuts. But jonyeap assume that my diet and workout routine sucks when he had no idea what's it like at all. Anyways, i have stretchmarks all over as well especially on the belly and the back near the armpits area but good thing stretchmarks are better than loose skins =p

I do take 4-6 meals a day but it vary on what grocery do i buy on that week and i work in a restaurant so i can just cook anytimes i want when i feel like eating and also i do have cheat meals on the weekend but weekdays i tend to keep the meal plans this way.

This is example of what i ate today..

wake up - oxyelite pro 2 capsules and 1 capsule Kre-Alkalyn
8-10am - 5 boiled egg whites , oats and 1 scoop of myofusion whey protein shake then animal pak
1-2pm - grilled chicken breast with broccoli
3-4pm - sweet potatoes and salad with little dressing
6-7pm - 1 capsule of oxeyelite pro then dinner but its all depend since i get off work at that time so i might just grilled some steaks/chicken breast and take home to eat or i just go to subway and buy whole wheat turkey breast sandwich

Workout routine

mon - cardio in the morning before work and workout at night (chest/abs)
tues - cardio in the morning before work and workout at night (back/abs)
wed - workout at night (leg and abs)
thurs - cardio in the morning before work and workout at night (shoulder/abs)
fri - cardio in the morning before work and workout at night (biceps/tri/forearm/abs)

No workout for weekend, just some basketball with friends sometimes...

pre workout - 1.5 scoop jack3d and 1 scoop animal storm
post workout - 1 scoop whey myofusion and 1 scoop animal storm

Does jack3d work for you? It just gives me a really bad tummy ache then I have to go poop.

NoXplode gives tht to me.


Chow

Lol you recommend to me wan leh bata XD. Free refund.

Wow, bro, im suprised you know that Proviron is a controlled item!

coz he got lots of stocks!
muahaha... just kidding.
how come he knows all this?
hmmm

Fatburners are just some supplements that will help improve your body's natural way of burning off their fats more effectively.

It's hard for me to believe that Animal Cuts does not work for you and 2 cycles?
gee..
you must have some serious problem with your body dude...


A must for me is Animal Pak and Animal Pump, i cant take normal creatine.
no respond. and so far all Animal products work for me.
at least i can feel the different.
but just going to the toilet a couple of times???
nvr recall having problem with nature call when i was on cuts.

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Added on April 21, 2010, 1:37 pmif you have problems with sexual performance, take proviron.
it can change a sheep into a raging bull!
pwahahhahaa

This post has been edited by ReonLim83: Apr 21 2010, 01:37 PM

hmmm... i am surprise as well when he said animal cut doesnt do anything much.
it could be his diet, workout or maybe his body.
but oh well, he is very smart, so i guess he knows everything.

now i know why he knows bout proviron, coz he uses it! hahaha

Yeah, i think shud be his workout and diet.
since he's been going to the toilet alot of times.
CUTS supposed to help your body burn fats more effectively not shove it out of your ass more frequently.
it doesnt work that way.


pwahahhahaha
actually proviron has a few functions.
to help restore sexual disfunctions and also to improve sperm counts.
important if you're a heavy racun user.
it is also anti-estrogen.
it prevents testosterone from aromatize into estrogen and it also competes with estrogen to block the receptors.
blocks gyno and also water retention.
also increased your muscle hardness.

agreed that 10 scoop u cakap tu just a figure of speech
standard 1 scoop is 20-24g of protein
u can get 60g of protein for 1/2 medium sized chicken
kalau sekor dah 120g
tambah ngan roti, kacang, susu, or what have yous in your diet dah dapat la 1-1.5 pound per pound of ur bw
relax je jon
maybe he's one sided kot and unlike many others, he's focused on one school of thought
that doesnt make it wrong

haha
u kene pawned?
macam dalam CS ke
wei takde kat sini terrer main CS ke? i was one of the best jugak dulu kat w.maju (although literally unknown) cuz i like to blasah the kiasu players yang suka join team yang power
i stopped playing since 2003
ingat nak blasah orang lagi
hahahahaha


banyak nye u buat abs
what kind of stuff u do?
is it the same thing every day ke macam mana?

i dunno about muscle hardness but people always confused about proviron as PCT which is wrong
it is to be used as a company with other steroids as it made them stronger and illicit better gains
i know its a controlled item cuz i saw it at my dad's clinic and ade lable (controlled item)
hahahaha
its damn expensive here in malaysia
but if u dun take racun, no need to take
and if u only take orals, also no need to take sebab the effect is noticeable with highly androgenic substances

if u take high dosage of racun (testosterone) ur body will naturally aromatize it (convert it into estrogen)
hence u will have gyne and all sort of other probs.
proviron taken by itself does not help in maintaining strength and muscle gains after a steroid cycle whereas HCG, Clomid, and Teslac do.

yeaps it gives muscle hardness since your estrogen level will be low.

wah ur father is a doctor ah?
bagus nya, senang beli mc camni.

hahaha... no wonder u know a lot.
father doctor.
hahaha... next time need anything, u can take some from father clinic. =.=

haha
my dad practiced for more than 30 years
very very ethical la
hahaha
i saw it at the table counter

Bagus la like that =) kudos

I think AnimalPak is making me hungry very fast...this could be a good thing as I wanna be bigger!

long time no c u yeeck