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post Jun 8 2011, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jun 8 2011, 10:24 PM)
Whoa.. U plonked in $100K just as it reopened ar?  shocking.gif
Please share how U lost $20K via PSmallCap (i assume it's not bought in end 2007, then measured end 2008 lar  tongue.gif )
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It reopens last month 18th april. Previously holding the other funds like PRSF, PEF, PGF, PSF, Pittikal. My mum one actually. Just that she ask me to study those investments thing. Those 5 funds, some of them doesnt really perform well especially Pittikal in the recent years. We invest in PM since 10years ago, some 5-6 years. PRSF return is good for past 10 years.

So last month, smallcap reopens. We cash out around 480k and buy smallcap. This is because we are not allowed to switch in to this fund. Only can switch out. Then we got no choice except to sell and buy back with 4% charge instead of 5.5%. But we didnt sell PEF. Since the fund reopen, the performance is -4.xx% something. No choice except to close one eye and hoping it will rebound properly from now on tongue.gif
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post Jun 8 2011, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 8 2011, 10:44 PM)
That's what my agent told me, he asked me how much i can save every month, I say RM1500, then he asked me to invest RM1500 every month, asked me to invest 1 big lump sum of RM30K. He is agency manager some more...

How come i find so hard also can't get one to be honest to me??? I want an honest one, HONEST...why is it so hard?  cry.gif
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If you want honest one, i think this forum got a few agents. We discuss PM things regularly too. If u want to ask question, u can try to ask here and alot of people will be helping you thumbup.gif
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post Jun 8 2011, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jun 8 2011, 10:45 PM)
OMG...  shocking.gif U went OUT then came back in in CASH?! Ouch!!! 5.5% buta gone + flux of market up/down no one knows = a huge gamble leh.  shocking.gif
I hope U or a family member was the agent, at least get back the 2.75% else...  cry.gif

Balls of steel bro  notworthy.gif
Personally, i'd play statistical probabilities rather than HOPE  tongue.gif
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3% gone tongue.gif . Not come back with cash, just cheque. I think it is not a gamble eh. I keep update with the market quite often. As you can see, the fund is top fund under mid cap equity in Malaysia. And it delivers consistent return too. Probably will be holding the fund for 3-10 years. 50% equity 40% bond 10% Fixed income for me. Dont dare 100% equity sweat.gif

Speaking about guts, you should try swiftlet farming. Super high risks, duper high return thumbup.gif

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post Jun 8 2011, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 8 2011, 11:00 PM)
Wah, that is painful. But also to be honest, losing 20k consider still ok already if compared to those directly in stock market.

In May - April this year, market lau sai so hard. KLCI falling like nobody business at these period, until reaching low of 1474 resistance support. Well, this support touched 2 times during this downturn market.

I myself is in share market as well. Those days are basically everyday having "periods". 800-900 counter down in 1 day. Counters going up only less than 50.

So when PSmallCap reopen, it already took a heavy burn in the pocket from all the panic selling in the stock market. That is why the performance went so terrible down, since SmallCap is investing on those counter will small market capitalization. Which means, this type of counter with small market capital will not be very liquid, and will come down like torrential rain fall during downturn season.

But recently, investor should be coming back and bringing back the bulls to the share market. HwangDBS maintained an overweight for Malaysia investment prospectus. KLCI back on track at above 1550, and it should be a good time to invest now. Forecasted KLCI go on to 1620 this year, which will definitely give a good pulling effect on overall good growth stocks.

Maybe I can advise you that in the future, don't dump 480k at one time. You would not know what kind of market is it at that moment. People say diversify, it is not on diversifying on products only, but you can diversify through different entry timing.

If you enter later a bit, i guess you should be able to see some good profits now.
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I know you are in stock market tongue.gif . I read the thread everyday too, just that im being a silent reader. Actually the 480k wasnt my decision to make. About the different entry timing, it means we need to prepare some cash to invest/top up just in case market crash right?
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post Jun 9 2011, 08:19 AM

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The last time i invest monthly rm1500 into UT, the result not so good eh. Personally i still prefer lump sump if there is market pullback.
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post Jun 10 2011, 10:59 PM

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You forgot Pittikal dropped nearly -40% during 2008 crisis though
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post Jun 11 2011, 07:39 AM

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Can somebody enlighten me why we need to care about fund's price? If it is about fund, the only thing i care is the fundamental, past performance, good track record and some other details. Unlike stocks, the stock's price matter a lot. You dont see support/resistance in Fund's price biggrin.gif
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post Jun 13 2011, 11:17 AM

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Public smallcap fund underperform lately. Smallcap indices rise, this fund falls. Sigh. So called the best fund under mid-cap category in malaysia.
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post Jun 13 2011, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 13 2011, 01:03 PM)
All funds got it's seasonal luck, sometimes it under perform and sometimes it over perform. If you go chasing after the best performer, usually you will be disappointed with the performance due to simple reasons.

a. Since it is a 'hot' fund there will be many people dump money into the fund  drool.gif
b. Once the manager receive a lot of money, his hand is forced to invest, otherwise those money sit in deposit earn peanuts
c. The manager see nothing much of value, so have to buy something, anything.....  doh.gif
d. end up buying overpriced equity.. end up under perform or low performance
e. Other people see the fund not doing well, withdraw and goes to another 'hot' fund
f. And the cycle continues again... and again...  sweat.gif

Never chase 'hot' funds, they will tend to underperform if a lot of people chase em. Best if good performance funds shut their doors and don't open them again.  rclxms.gif
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This fund already closed. If not chase after hot fund, we should look at what fund then? Normally i refer to lipperleader and morningstar. But got to agree this fund i think need at least 3 years to see the return. Buy peak during 2007 and break even early 2010. So holding power is important here brows.gif

I think hot funds are much better than those new funds. Especially those with good record since 10 years ago.

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post Jun 13 2011, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jun 13 2011, 02:01 PM)
I think the best mindset would be "Any $ put into investments must be $ unneeded for >=5yrs". Thus, no urgency  tongue.gif
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Indeed laugh.gif But youngsters mindset gonna be like "put in $$, must see money after 1 month". tongue.gif
Honestly i think investment really need a good mindset and good emotion control. Some people say short term investment is bad because might get burned. Is this really true? I see some of them make a decent profit.

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post Jun 14 2011, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(semerah padi @ Jun 14 2011, 04:28 PM)
which one fund better to invest?
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what is your target? How many years do you willing to invest? U want low risk or high risk?
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post Jun 17 2011, 12:07 PM

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Im bleeding as well. My option is hold though.
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post Jun 17 2011, 12:56 PM

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It is not possible to pump now. Might as well pump into funds like PEF, PGF
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post Jun 22 2011, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jun 22 2011, 12:57 PM)
P smallcap fund price shrinking again, drop below Rm0.90, I remember when it was open for subsription last month, the price was like above rm0.95
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Yes. It is indeed dropping like no tomorrow. Most of PM funds are underperforming this season.
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post Jun 22 2011, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jun 22 2011, 01:36 PM)
Except for it's bond and fixed income funds which is doing quite good.
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Yeah normally bond and fixed funds are more stable. P smallcap is the best mid cap fund in Malaysia (3 & 5 years. not sure whether got 10 years or not). Can even compete with top equity fund like AMB value trust. So have a little faith on it tongue.gif together we sink, together we rise laugh.gif
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post Jun 23 2011, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Jun 22 2011, 07:20 PM)
why not just buy the best AMB value trust?
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Because the two funds are different category. But not so sure why this time psmallcap underperforms since it reopen 2 months ago. Oversubcribed maybe?
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post Jul 1 2011, 06:22 PM

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Anyone notice PEF, PGF n PAGF move in the same way? Or just me? Personally i think pef n pgf almost the same.
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post Jul 14 2011, 08:33 AM

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I starting to feel that PM funds are getting lousier. Look at those funds like public equity fund. CI drop 0.6%, they drop 0.9%. Compare to kenanga growth fund only drop like 0.04%. Not to mention smallcap fund perform badly like no tomorrow.
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Jul 14 2011, 11:10 AM)
There are some better/equal alternatives out there. Check out funds like Kenanga Growth and Syariah Growth. best of all, it's only 1% sales charge now. promo from fundsupermart. not all PM/PB funds are performing well...
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Thought kenanga funds are good..but the financial report on the company is still losing money. Imagine an investment company share price only worth 0.75 sen.
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post Jul 18 2011, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jul 18 2011, 06:45 PM)
KLCI down 14 point today. sweat.gif
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if down, buy more lo tongue.gif

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