It's always going to be hard with our 3 key attacking players out but like I've posted at half-time, there is enough quality to win. About last night, the distribution of the ball was poor. Can anybody remember any time the defenders running with the ball? Or passing to midfielders? Few. It was either long balls, hoofs, headers or back passes to Reina. It seems our players are afraid of the ball. The funny thing is we seem to heading towards the pass and move direction. Lucas especially, last night was winning balls high up the pitch and then bombing forward. The 1-2 with Degen was brilliant and should have earned a penalty. And we have players like Maxi, Aqua, Benayoun and Pacheco who are all pass and move players. I insist that last night, despite having that many defenders, there is enough fire power to be threatening to Stoke.

As for team selection, I can understand why Rodriguez, Aquilani and Riera were benched. It was a very physical and fast-paced match and Maxi & Riera hasn't settled yet. Do you guys think Babel is really on his way out?

And then, our defense. Don't want to repeat myself, nuff said.

Manager should be the one shoulder all the blame, because he is the one responsible to choose, to buy, to train, and how the team plays. Rafa is not a new manager in Liverpool anymore, the result of having which players, who being bought or sold is down to manager responsibility. Yes, Liverpool doesn't have large amount of money that can be spent to buy top players, at least play some decent footballl, also can.
It is a total Rafa team now.

Bare in mind, Liverpool purchase are not super cheap one as well, it might not top class, but a team that spent 20 mil (Aqualani), 18.5 million on Johnson (which total spending of 40 million) is something ordinary club is not affordable one.

Cannot score goal, play for draw as Liverpool team against Stoke(which is classified as big 4)?
This is not a right mentality. It is suicide tactic, tell opponent, hey we cannot score one.

Then what about against Chelsea, Arsenal or MU time, play for to lose 0-1, considered as "success"?

If one aims to not win, then one never will win. See why there is giant killing in FA cup, because the lower league team has the right mentality to win and fight for it and believe even technically they might be not good in term of skill. At least supporter feell every cent worth by seeing the team play like this even loss the match one.

Cannot score, then try how to score or play differently or search the formula to score goal!
Liverpool is not that bad until reaching the state cannot win against Stoke and resort to ultra-defensive to seach for a point.

We are not talking about winning the league or playing free-flowing football like Arsenal, Chelsea or MU. We are talking can't even play decent football against Stoke, against Reading!

Bare in mind, all the team players are professional footballer, they are not considered newbie in football, when you are professional, when team needed you, you need at least carry out the task. I don't like the excuse some players are not exposed to game. If keep on with this reason, then they never will expose to the game. Just like Aqualani case, keep on saying not match fit so cannot play, if not playing him, how can he gain the match fitness.

20m for aquilani
18m for johnson

is the way too expensive.. we shuld get 1great player woth tat money before buyin both...

Again bollocks. Although i have little love nor pity for rafa, I have even less for those who gleefully jump on the bandwagon and start blaming the cold weather on the stubborn spanish bugger.

Late last season we were all clamoring for an attacking right fullback. We got one.
Then Alonso finally showed Rafa the middle finger and left, and we had to find a replacement....

athough to say that Aqualani's not a flop at the moment is akin to saying that Kewell was no flop either - he just wasn't fit often enough

This post has been edited by madmoz: Jan 17 2010, 11:47 AM

if you said 'great' players ... such as kaka, c.ronaldo, messi, can liverpool afford them ?

rafa is like wenger and fergie, sign 'unknown' players and hope to establish them ... either fail or success ...

Yeap is true. The whole team is Rafa team. He can't blame no players or not enough money to spend (against big 4 or low division). I would see if he did say not enough to spend for reason losing to Reading or drawing witht Stoke.
If we were in the 1st div along newcastle, I don't think also able to top the division, if the way we play like this.
Last season we are saying we are fighting neck to neck with MU, Chelsea. Now we can't even smell the smole. Putting exmplae like MU, they did sold CR and Tevez, 2 big important players. But they did playing good game week in and out.

Andriy Voronin, Ryan Babel and Andrea Dossena were sold right ?
That should provide us some money to buy players like Ruud van Nistelrooy & Palermo's Simon Kjaer

This post has been edited by xMika: Jan 17 2010, 11:57 AM

the point is 3/50 rafa forge are all failed unlike wenger..

finally established player like torres / masch can prove without a doubt

As far as I am concerned, NO ONE leaves and NO ONE joins (permanently, loan guys don't count as we can always return them) until the Rafa situation is resolved.
A player like Babel has shown that he does indeed have what it takes, and a new manager might be able to get the best out of him. Rafa clearly can't.
And seeing that we are piss broke at the moment, let's save whatever money we have in the (if we get one) new manager to finetune Rafa's squad. We DON'T want another Cisse fiasco, no?

good stuff.. man city spurs drop points..

as for gerrard.. if he decided to leave then let him be. thouhg i think he wont leave coz he more mayure now. he's been off form this season. maybe he's getting old his form will come around. nway, just leave it as it is. theres cons of him leaving but i think the pros and outweighing the cons.

He couldn't even get a game at West Ham before he joined us, so give the spanish bugger some credit.

I'm like an ogre, living alone in my swamp, calling for Rafa's head with a few like minded doubters... like since two seasons ago... and suddenly i wake up and notice that there's one thousand and one campers erecting 'rent-a-tents' around me so forgive me for being sceptical and nasty

This post has been edited by madmoz: Jan 17 2010, 12:11 PM

insua already attakin right back so no point bring in glen for tat kind of money.. he's good without a doubt but he come in a wrong situation where we nid 1 defensive sb..

yeah let's rest aquilani till end of season.. after WC then he'll be injured.. then rest him one season.. WOW season 2012 aquilani can fully fit.. then got Euro 2012 .. then again he injured one season... tat is f***..

20m + a little bit
can go for :
veloso
hamsik
moatinho
vn der vaar
silva
mata
sneijder

insua is a leftback.

Insua is a left back.

Side back i mean in tat post not right back

You by any chance a Malaysian politician? Your "i didn't mean what i say, so stuff it" sure sounds familiar.

This post has been edited by madmoz: Jan 17 2010, 12:20 PM

he already forged his name before joining WHU

so no doubt he got the talent ..

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Added on January 17, 2010, 12:21 pmwhere u buy the keroro doll?
want it one for collection

This post has been edited by skeleton202: Jan 17 2010, 12:21 PM

Which side Left/ Right ?

Anyway guys, leave it ...

Who are we going to face on the next EPL match ?

Next year if LFC out of CL ,then is gameover for LFC.Sell every valueable player in the squad,maybe will being relegated cz of financial problem.
Maybe it will take at least 10 years to recover from it.

OH MAI GAWD!? Insua is a leftback? I thought he was always playing in the right D: