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post Apr 19 2011, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(la bella @ Apr 19 2011, 10:11 AM)
Good news...

Yesterday I went to the 2nd hand dunhuang peacock gz seller place in ss2, the gz was not bought from alan, she got it from her hometown seremban. The gz looks fine, 4-5 years old, the strings are rusted. After nego, I got an offer for 750 and finally I brought it home.  biggrin.gif The gz is mine now. I managed to tune the strings, after tuned I noticed there's string buzz on 2 treble strings, hmm..

Where can I get a whole set of new strings?
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Glad to hear tat u cart ur GZ away wit just RM750... rclxm9.gif ...

the whole complete set of strings not $$ ... starting from string #1 just RM3.50 to #21 about RM7.50. If buy complete set even cheaper.
(tat's the price for normal DunHuang .....NOT Type A nor B).


Added on April 19, 2011, 6:41 pm
QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 19 2011, 02:44 PM)
Empire,
You guzheng that cant be tuned. Was the problems solved when you cut the strings?
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Faceless.. Empire's GZ can be tune ... Mei-mei got one similiar to tat also ...


Added on April 19, 2011, 7:10 pm
QUOTE(la bella @ Apr 19 2011, 03:14 PM)
faceless,
Thanks for the info about the strings. The thinner strings are all rusted. When I play I often hit the wrong note cos I can't see the green strings as note 5. I can hear the buzz that comes from the slot near tuning peg. Btw, I already expected some imperfection for 2nd hand instrument, and for this price i can't complain much.

Ouch... yesterday my dad helped me to clean the dust on the soundboard and he used a damp cloth to wipe it. doh.gif

2 week ago I read from guang ming newspaper, there's a full page interview of Alan & his wife and the winner of the recent m'sia gz competition. They talked about competition, music school, their story and ambition.
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Dun worry much about it Bella..... i advise u to change the complete 21strings and start all over again.... "lembu ada tali tak ada ... apalah sister ?" doh.gif

If budget tight ... just play wit it for awhile until budget dah.... else I see wat can i do for u lor.

if i get from alan ... it will be cheaper than u approach him as Mei mei used to b her student... ada sikit2 discount.... tats for normal type.

for better ones.. like Dunhuang A and B ... Soundofasia no more stock... only www.sogoeo.com ... nOt even Singapore Eason.

for Zhueque professional grade strings ... sorry very hard unless Carol let u have them.

for info... the Professional strings are all made from Germany. ... last longer and their diameter or gauge slightly bigger... louder sound.

During the 4weeks of Mei-mei competitions .. she snapped 4 of #1 string , 1 of #5 and 1 of #17..... she got at least 2 complete set of Type B.. but
now her string #1 is a normal one as 雪山春曉 got a lot of pressing on #1. ... snapped very easy if used 'cow strength'.

honestly if u really wan to have it i can get someone to bring them back from hongkong after the 2nd International Grand Guzheng competition.
but if u beh tahan.... i can pass mei-mei last Dunhuang final set to u .. Dunhuang Type B.

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for info about Alan & Huey Joo as well as the 2nd International Guzheng Competition (KampungKUL region)...
try tis site :- http://www.guzheng.com.my/

go to all the pages esp. the photos .. u can see that at least i can say 70% of the GZ there are from Dunhuang.

... photos can be view from here .....
http://www.guzheng.com.my/index.php?option...id=99&Itemid=20


Added on April 19, 2011, 8:32 pm
QUOTE(la bella @ Apr 19 2011, 03:14 PM)
faceless,
Thanks for the info about the strings. The thinner strings are all rusted. When I play I often hit the wrong note cos I can't see the green strings as note 5. I can hear the buzz that comes from the slot near tuning peg. Btw, I already expected some imperfection for 2nd hand instrument, and for this price i can't complain much.

Ouch... yesterday my dad helped me to clean the dust on the soundboard and he used a damp cloth to wipe it. doh.gif

2 week ago I read from guang ming newspaper, there's a full page interview of Alan & his wife and the winner of the recent m'sia gz competition. They talked about competition, music school, their story and ambition.
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If the buzz sound from the slot near the tuning peg ... before you re-string the new one pls check ... if so let me know.

Your Dad really HELPS u a great deal doh.gif using a damp cloth to wipe the dust........ user posted image ... NOT tat bad lar... no serious damage.. *scare u onli*

the easiest way is using the GZ dust brush... its a 1ft long cloth brush .. something looks like a long bottle brush.... cheap lar if buy from China ... <RM10.

else u can remove all the bridges and wipe it clean wit a soft cloth and re-install back the bridges and tune again.

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Alan do service GZ .. cost dun know lar...... but SS2 'DunHuang' charge >RM80 .. user posted image

i service all Mei-mei GZ. .... keep the $ for user posted image

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QUOTE(la bella @ Apr 19 2011, 03:14 PM)
Thanks for the info about the strings. The thinner strings are all rusted. When I play I often hit the wrong note cos I can't see the green strings as note 5. We overcome this by sticking a thin strip of plaster 胶布 on the immoveable bridge. You can use this as a temporary measure.

I can hear the buzz that comes from the slot near tuning peg.  Buzz near the tuning peg can be solve. It is hard to teach people how to do it. If you had owned a Kapok with a similar problem then you know how to solve this problem. Ketuk ketuk a bit and eventually it will be okay. smile.gif If you never had experience doing it with a Kapok, dont try.

Ouch... yesterday my dad helped me to clean the dust on the soundboard and he used a damp cloth to wipe it. doh.gif Now that you know, dont repeat it lor
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On care of sound board, the wet cloth is the most common mistake. The other thing is putting the gz by the window. The chi is not good for the gz tongue.gif My class mate taught me this. She kept her gz by the window and the soundboard started cracking due to the sunlight. So the "heat chi" can harm your gz. If that is the only place for your gz make sure the curtain is dawn so the gz gets no sunlight.
QUOTE(empire @ Apr 19 2011, 05:00 PM)
Faceless...my GZ had no tuning prob wo.
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The last time at your place you told me there is gz that could not be tuned. I suggest to cut the string.
QUOTE(subangman @ Apr 19 2011, 06:39 PM)
                     try tis site :-  http://www.guzheng.com.my/

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I know the contestant that won 7th place with 90.33 marks rclxm9.gif

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Faceless...that GZ that cant be tuned is not mine. IT is one of my Angel's.
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post Apr 20 2011, 11:14 AM

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subangman,
I have a budget of 100 for a complete set of strings, would it be cheaper if bring the strings back from hk? Could you do me the favor? biggrin.gif I want better quality strings, and I can wait for it. smile.gif

faceless,
I have solved the buzz problem. My guzheng has this small "white plastic hand" on the box (on the right side of the picture below). After I removed the "plastic hand", the buzz gone. rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(la bella @ Apr 20 2011, 11:14 AM)
subangman,
I have a budget of 100 for a complete set of strings, would it be cheaper if bring the strings back from hk? Could you do me the favor?  biggrin.gif I want better quality strings, and I can wait for it.  smile.gif

faceless, 
I have solved the buzz problem. My guzheng has this small "white plastic hand" on the box (on the right side of the picture below). After I removed the "plastic hand", the buzz gone.  rclxm9.gif
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Bella.

Just bear wit me for awhile ... I will ship in some high grade strings for mei-mei .... u just pay for the strings while i take care the postage fees.

As for the 2 nos. of white plastic hands are more a decorative from previous ownner... just remove it lar and patch back wit some wood filler and color it
back wit some brown stain.


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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 20 2011, 09:20 AM)
I know the contestant that won 7th place with 90.33 marks  rclxm9.gif
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i think you got the wrong one bru.... it should be no 8.

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post Apr 20 2011, 12:23 PM

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Many thanks to subangman, you've been a great help. biggrin.gif

I'm very happy to play guzheng. biggrin.gif Last time I don't know much bout gz. I discovered my interest for this lovely instrument after reading this thread. smile.gif
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QUOTE(empire @ Apr 20 2011, 11:05 AM)
Faceless...that GZ that cant be tuned is not mine. IT is one of my Angel's.
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So, cutting the strings did not help? Then maybe is something funny like laBella's new weapon.
QUOTE(la bella @ Apr 20 2011, 11:14 AM)
My guzheng has this small "white plastic hand" on the box (on the right side of the picture below). After I removed the "plastic hand", the buzz gone.  rclxm9.gif
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If cant find these weird gadgets then ketuk it like a Kapok lor. You have enough experience with Kapok mah.

QUOTE(subangman @ Apr 20 2011, 11:46 AM)
i think you got the wrong one bru.... it should be no 8.
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Ahhh yes, you know the person too.
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Anyway 7th place for national open is not bad. Now I can get tips form the national top ten smile.gif

QUOTE(la bella @ Apr 20 2011, 12:23 PM)
I'm very happy to play guzheng. biggrin.gif Last time I don't know much bout gz. I discovered my interest for this lovely instrument after reading this thread. smile.gif
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It time to buy a DIY book. I remember you told me in the "Scale" thread not to rely fully on teacher. 李萌 and 王中山 are my favourites. 李萌 wrote the syllabus for the exams.

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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 20 2011, 01:25 PM)
Then maybe is something funny like laBella's new weapon.
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Lucky I found the root of the buzz, the screw on the 'plastic hand' is loose causing the 'plastic hand' buzzing when the strings vibrate.

QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 20 2011, 01:25 PM)
It time to buy a DIY book. I remember you told me in the "Scale" thread not to rely fully on teacher. 李萌 and 王中山 are my favourites. 李萌 wrote the syllabus for the exams.
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Yea I'm gonna buy a book. The teaching material that my teacher currently using is his own compilation of exercises and songs for beginner, which has only 20+ pages without techniques explanation.

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SUbang...can I also order 1 set of of good GZ strings?
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QUOTE(la bella @ Apr 20 2011, 01:57 PM)
Lucky I found the root of the buzz, the screw on the 'plastic hand' is loose causing the 'plastic hand' buzzing when the strings vibrate.
Yea I'm gonna buy a book. The teaching material that my teacher currently using is his own compilation of exercises and songs for beginner, which has only 20+ pages without techniques explanation.
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My book is more than 100 pages of music scores hand written by teacher too. The progression from song to song is most important. From here you will realise what your teacher is trying to teach you.

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QUOTE(empire @ Apr 20 2011, 02:03 PM)
SUbang...can I also order 1 set of of good GZ strings?
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sure ... nod.gif


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FACELESS / LA BELLA ... below link worth to watch.... courtesy from one of my GZ pal... Edwin Liew.

WORTH to watch


http://youtu.be/75AasDbCfPQ thumbup.gif


I tried to paste it correctly but couldn't find the URL . The original was from China ... the link to watch it was horrible lag.
I've download it to youtube for easy viewing.

It's a 18:48 min clip.

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Pretty girl wub.gif but I dont hear mandrin too well. From the demo it seems like basic termelo techniques. Keep arm align or get tried for prolong strokes. If over done can ache the next day. Like shoulders hurt after vigorous badminton.

Got anything on sweep shaking and pluck shaking? Especially the pluck shaking I like to see in slow motion.

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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 21 2011, 02:50 PM)
Pretty girl wub.gif but I dont hear mandrin too well. From the demo it seems like basic termelo techniques. Keep arm align or get tried for prolong strokes. If over done can ache  the next day. Like shoulders hurt after vigorous badminton.

Got anything on sweep shaking and pluck shaking? Especially the pluck shaking I like to see in slow motion.
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Faceless :-

why ... u tis banana dun know how to hear meh ?

Actually tis is for Bella one.. not u ... u took off alridi...

why ... very tiring meh.... mayb ur age catchin up wit u... user posted image

why u need sweeping, shaking and pluck shaking ahhhhhh... some more in slow motion.... got ... but need user posted image


ohhh yeah.. its in man-da-lin moh.... u can understand ah? doh.gif




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Bella...tell us more about your progress in GZ.
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post Apr 24 2011, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Apr 24 2011, 12:26 PM)
Bella...tell us more about your progress in GZ.
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So far so good. Started to play octave songs and exercises with thumb and middle finger, I practise a lot these few days. I never realized the way I use my thumb for picking was wrong until my teacher told me. The correct way is bend the 1st joint of thumb when hitting the strings, so the tone will be more solid and loud. biggrin.gif
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Do you get any fingerache so far?
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QUOTE(empire @ Apr 24 2011, 09:33 PM)
Do you get any fingerache so far?
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No ache so far smile.gif
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Octave song using thumb and midfinger is call 八度。 They use 8 because one octave is 8 notes apart. At more advance level you will do 十六度。
Bending the thumb or let the thumb curve slightly is a natural thing for the 8 degree reach.

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