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 Studying in Australia (V 3.1), Please use proper English

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limeuu
post Nov 8 2011, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Nov 8 2011, 12:25 PM)
Hello fellow forummers,

just a quick question. If i want to work at lets say Melbourne for one month plus to do a brief externship or something, do i need to apply any special documents or something? How long can I stay at Aussie with just a normal passport?

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you cannot work if you are on a tourist visa......the eta for msians is valid for 1 year, and allows a maximum stay of 3 months per entry.....

if it is part of your course, you will have to apply for one of the other categories of short term visitors visa, your college should be able to advise which category is appropriate.....

if it is just an unpaid internship/attachment, it is often best to just use the tourist eta....
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Nov 8 2011, 11:36 AM)
just on rent alone then, it is more than $1560 a month.... smile.gif
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OOPS typo error! It's per month, sorry sorry! $780 per month for a room.

Some people offer $500 per room, 40 mins far from CBD. I stay in Zone 2. So the house here is cheaper (Excl. Box Hill).
One of my friends got a studio apartment in CBD for $700 per month, her bills is less than $100. So yeah, I guess $1200 is enough.

I share a room with a friend, so I pay $390 monthly. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Nov 8 2011, 11:23 AM)
So aferall this can we summarise? smile.gif

Assuming Sydney, Melbourne

Weekly average

Rent =
Food =
Transport =
Communications =
Clothing =
Social =
Any other exepense = pls specify


Budgeting
In addition to your tuition fees, you will be responsible for planning and budgeting your living costs. Below is an estimated cost of living guide per month for a single student living in homestay accommodation in Melbourne and Sydney.
Item                                                                               Melbourne                       Sydney
  Cost per month ($AUD)
Single homestay room (breakfast & dinner included)                 $900                           $1060
Food (lunches & snacks)                                                 $252 ($9 per day)                $295 ($10 per day) 
Telephone                                                                               $50                              $50 
Transport                                                                                $100                            $140
Laundry                                                                                  $40                               $40
Stationery                                                                               $40                               $40
Clothing, entertainment, personals                                            $200                              $200

The estimated cost for a single student studying in Australia (including accommodation, meals, textbooks, personal incidentals, transportation and entertainment) is approximately AU$1,200 to A$1,500 per month (A$14,400 to A$18,000 per year).
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You'll be paying more on rents, food and transports.
I don't know about Social and Entertainment, could be more than your food/transport expenses. It would be more than $1500.

This post has been edited by xcullen: Nov 8 2011, 01:37 PM
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post Nov 8 2011, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Nov 8 2011, 11:36 AM)
just on rent alone then, it is more than $1560 a month.... smile.gif
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Is that just a bedroom? wow..... shocking.gif


Added on November 8, 2011, 1:41 pm
QUOTE(xcullen @ Nov 8 2011, 01:24 PM)
You'll be paying more on rents, food and transports.
I don't know about Social and Entertainment, could be more than your food/transport expenses. It would be more than $1500.
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How much more on those figures? Those are Jan 2010 figures.......

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Nov 8 2011, 01:41 PM
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i staying in Melbourne CBD and the rental for 1 bedroom cost me $1470. i'm sharing with my partner so the rental will be divided by 2.

i can survived with $1.2k per month when i was student but when i start working now, i spent more than $1.5k every month mainly because of lazy to cook and no need to think twice about money when buying stuff.
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Nov 8 2011, 12:49 PM)
you cannot work if you are on a tourist visa......the eta for msians is valid for 1 year, and allows a maximum stay of 3 months per entry.....

if it is part of your course, you will have to apply for one of the other categories of short term visitors visa, your college should be able to advise which category is appropriate.....

if it is just an unpaid internship/attachment, it is often best to just use the tourist eta....
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Ah okay, i guess i won't get paid then if i wanna do an attachment. sad.gif Thanks for the info!
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Nov 8 2011, 01:39 PM)
Is that just a bedroom? wow.....  shocking.gif


Added on November 8, 2011, 1:41 pm

How much more on those figures? Those are Jan 2010 figures.......
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sad.gif Sorry bro can't help you on this. If you arrv here already, then you will know.
Varies considerably, depending on your lifestyle.
My bet is to prepare at least $2000 upon your first month of arrival.

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Nov 8 2011, 01:51 PM)
i staying in Melbourne CBD and the rental for 1 bedroom cost me $1470. i'm sharing with my partner so the rental will be divided by 2.

i can survived with $1.2k per month when i was student but when i start working now, i spent more than $1.5k every month mainly because of lazy to cook and no need to think twice about money when buying stuff.
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You got a job already? So lucky!
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QUOTE(xcullen @ Nov 9 2011, 01:07 AM)
You got a job already? So lucky!
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yup after 5-6 months of non-stop "spamming" my CV
but before that i have part-time job with chinese phone shop


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QUOTE(limeuu @ Nov 8 2011, 12:49 PM)
if it is just an unpaid internship/attachment, it is often best to just use the tourist eta....
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Very bad idea limeuu. The fact that you are unpaid does not mean you are not "working". "Work" is defined by immigration as "any form of activity that normally attracts renumeration". Even if you are not being paid for the task(s) that you are doing, it can be still counted as "work", and if immigration gets wind of this, you will be barred from entering Australia for a while.

Some real examples I've seen come through the doors of RAILS(http://www.rails.org.au/)/legal aid:

-Attached to a law firm for a experience, not getting paid, going 8am-6pm everyday: it is work
-Distributing fliers on the street, as help for someone: work
-Helping a friend fill in for a shift at a car wash for a one-off: work

I don't know what zstan wants to do while in Australia, but if it is related to his course of studies in the medical field, I would strongly advice getting a visa that gives some kind of working rights.

Of course, unless you're the typical selfish Malaysian who wants to circumvent the system for your own interests, and mess things up for the rest of us.......
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Anybody studying in OZ where your parents are PRs or Citizens? How much difference are the tertiary education costs when compared to freshly shipped Msians?

Am planning education for my kids. Thanks!
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post Nov 9 2011, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(haya @ Nov 9 2011, 07:17 AM)
Very bad idea limeuu. The fact that you are unpaid does not mean you are not "working". "Work" is defined by immigration as "any form of activity that normally attracts renumeration". Even if you are not being paid for the task(s) that you are doing, it can be still counted as "work", and if immigration gets wind of this, you will be barred from entering Australia for a while.

Some real examples I've seen come through the doors of RAILS(http://www.rails.org.au/)/legal aid:

-Attached to a law firm for a experience, not getting paid, going 8am-6pm everyday: it is work
-Distributing fliers on the street, as help for someone: work
-Helping a friend fill in for a shift at a car wash for a one-off: work

I don't know what zstan wants to do while in Australia, but if it is related to his course of studies in the medical field, I would strongly advice getting a visa that gives some kind of working rights.

Of course, unless you're the typical selfish Malaysian who wants to circumvent the system for your own interests, and mess things up for the rest of us.......
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Alright thanks for the heads up. Will ask around to see what documents should I need. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Nov 9 2011, 07:30 AM)
Anybody studying in OZ where your parents are PRs or Citizens? How much difference are the tertiary education costs when compared to freshly shipped Msians?

Am planning education for my kids. Thanks!
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Well the kid himself/herself would need to be a PR/Citizen to pay subsidised fees. It's a lot cheaper than full international student fees. You can check it out specifically in University websites as it differs from course to course and over the years.

For example in my course in UQ, new Australian students in 2012 would pay AUD$ 9,280 a year while a full fee paying international student would pay AUD$ 29,600 a year.

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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Nov 9 2011, 07:30 AM)
Anybody studying in OZ where your parents are PRs or Citizens? How much difference are the tertiary education costs when compared to freshly shipped Msians?

Am planning education for my kids. Thanks!
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Did a fast check- Uni of Melbourne Architecture

AUD9k ves AUD 27k................. sad.gif


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Also HECS means you would pay out of income tax (basically not paying extra), or get a discount.
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QUOTE(Hikari0307 @ Nov 9 2011, 08:54 AM)
Well the kid himself/herself would need to be a PR/Citizen to pay subsidised fees. It's a lot cheaper than full international student fees. You can check it out specifically in University websites as it differs from course to course and over the years.

For example in my course in UQ, new Australian students in 2012 would pay AUD$ 9,280 a year while a full fee paying international student would pay AUD$ 29,600 a year.
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To add on, the tuition fees per unit for Australian students in UWA undergraduate in 2012 can range between $597-$1,100 depending on the units they're taking.

For full fee paying international students in my course (Bachelor of Commerce) will have to pay $27,200 per year (increased by $800 from $26,400). In other words, international students in my course will have to pay a flat fee of $3,400 per unit (regardless whether these units are science, arts, commerce, law units etc). Note: 1 year = 8 units.
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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Nov 9 2011, 07:30 AM)
Anybody studying in OZ where your parents are PRs or Citizens? How much difference are the tertiary education costs when compared to freshly shipped Msians?

Am planning education for my kids. Thanks!
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locals gets csp's and pay a subsidised fee of generally 1/3 of full international fees.....

in addition, citizens have hecs, where you can loan most of that fees, which you pay back when you start working, through a deduction via income tax when income goes over a threshold.....(pr is not entitled to hecs)....

however, do note that critical courses (ie quota restricted courses) are very competitive, and it is generally more difficult for locals to get in, compared to international students (generally, they get in with atar score of 2 points lower)......
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Damn... gotta start packing my bags then. Cheaper than Msia, number for number and with a good brand.
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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Nov 9 2011, 12:41 PM)
Damn... gotta start packing my bags then. Cheaper than Msia, number for number and with a good brand.
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if you think you can walk in and claim a pr just like that, you are greatly mistaken.....

the application process from outside oz takes a long time......up to 3-4 years....and conditions have gone difficult again lately....
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Somehow they have made it such that Engineering/Science costs the same as Commerce subjects for international students, perhaps to encourage students to choose those over Commerce and Arts (at least for some schools including the example above)... which makes Australia a more cost effective destination to study Engineering for those seeking overseas education... in the UK Commerce subjects in the more expensive (i.e. above average) and/or better schools (such as LSE) would cost around the same as in Australia (although Melbourne is probably slightly more expensive) after accommodation is factored in, but tuition for Engineering is definitely higher than that of Commerce.
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Question:
When we budget for fees, what sort of fees are to be looked at?

eg Course fees, Tuition, what else?

Thanks

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