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 Studying in Australia (V 3.1), Please use proper English

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post Jan 20 2010, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Jan 20 2010, 09:03 PM)
I'm not sure about other professions, but for my course I can actually send in the application for temporary business visa (457) before I graduate. The application would be pending and once you graduate you need to supply them with proof of your degree/certificate and you'll get your visa approved within a few days, probably even the immediate next day.

For those who will be applying, it's better to check with Immigration or any Visa agents regarding this issue. It would be so much easier and faster to submit the application early (eg September or Oct) if possible, instead of waiting till the end of the year. Bear in mind that the last 2 weeks of December would be hell as everybody is on leave for Christmas and New Year... Everything will be in slow motion.
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does your 457 require an assessment of your degree? if not good on ya. but you need a job/internship offer by an employer


QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Jan 20 2010, 10:40 PM)
Who knows why it is called "business" visa, but it's merely a nomenclature issue.

I'm not sure how easy/difficult it is to apply for a temporary visa (?short stay ?visitor pass) without a confirmed employment, but good luck to those who are attempting to do so. For most students their student visa would end around March so after graduation you'll have approximately 2-3 months to find a job and obtain visas and such.
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the temporary visa (TR) requires an assessment of your degree, not sure if u need the results before applying or not, but i dont think so. it's easy provided that u have an australian degree and have completed a minimum of 2 years of study in australia within 6 mths of application.

but yeah this new guideline has screwed a lot of onshore graduate applicants. they will need to apply for a TR 1st before going for a PR cos theres just not enough time on their student visa to wait for their degree assessment results.

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post Jan 20 2010, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(b3ta @ Jan 20 2010, 08:32 PM)
does your 457 require an assessment of your degree? if not good on ya. but you need a job/internship offer by an employer
the temporary visa (TR) requires an assessment of your degree, not sure if u need the results before applying or not, but i dont think so. it's easy provided that u have an australian degree and have completed a minimum of 2 years of study in australia within 6 mths of application.

but yeah this new guideline has screwed a lot of onshore graduate applicants. they will need to apply for a TR 1st before going for a PR cos theres just not enough time on their student visa to wait for their degree assessment results.
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actually, what is the purpose of this 'assessment' of your degree?...........since applicants will be graduates from oz unis anyway.......

in star's case, no he will not need 'assessment' as his degree will need to be (and will be) registered with amc before he can start work........it normally flows seamlessly from graduation to housejob as part of the registration process with amc...........

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 21 2010, 01:06 AM)
actually, what is the purpose of this 'assessment' of your degree?...........since applicants will be graduates from oz unis anyway.......

in star's case, no he will not need 'assessment' as his degree will need to be (and will be) registered with amc before he can start work........it normally flows seamlessly from graduation to housejob as part of the registration process with amc...........
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i dont know if AMC is the relevant authority for degree assessment. if yes, then he probably wont need to do it twice. if not, he will need to submit it through to the relevant authorities for assessment if he wants to apply for a TR or PR visa. it is just strictly for immigration purposes.

cos to get marks for immigration your degree commonly awards u 40-70 points out of the 100/120 points needed for PR. each course will differ in the amount of points u earn. most engineers will earn 60 while food science and biomed guys like me only get 50. the assessment is to justify whether your degree is qualified to earn you your points. it also plays a role in determining whether the job u get is relevant to your studies. cos to qualify for more points through employment you need to hold a job that is relevant to your qualifications.

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post Jan 21 2010, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(b3ta @ Jan 20 2010, 11:58 PM)
i dont know if AMC is the relevant authority for degree assessment. if yes, then he probably wont need to do it twice. if not, he will need to submit it through to the relevant authorities for assessment if he wants to apply for a TR or PR visa. it is just strictly for immigration purposes.

cos to get marks for immigration your degree commonly awards u 40-70 points out of the 100/120 points needed for PR. each course will differ in the amount of points u earn. most engineers will earn 60 while food science and biomed guys like me only get 50. the assessment is to justify whether your degree is qualified to earn you your points. it also plays a role in determining whether the job u get is relevant to your studies. cos to qualify for more points through employment you need to hold a job that is relevant to your qualifications.
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How about IT, how many point does IT get?

Back in 2007, I heard that IT is very high in demand in Australia, not so sure about now though. But I am sure that experienced It professional is high in demand in the whole world.
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post Jan 21 2010, 10:41 PM

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i checked last time is 60 points but depends on which specialization...AFAIK data warehousing is 70/80 points..
go to immi.gov.au website n search for jobs demand list..inside the list also got show how many points for each..

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post Jan 21 2010, 11:50 PM

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Halo guys..I`m going to USyd next month to pursue degree in pharmacy. Is anyone here in Usyd ? ANd I`ll like to get some recommendations regarding the accomodation nearby campus. Thanks in advance =]
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post Jan 21 2010, 11:59 PM

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btw i think new south wales allow international students to use concession .... cause i went there for holiday in sydney and i can use it .


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post Jan 22 2010, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(ta88 @ Jan 21 2010, 11:59 PM)
btw i think new south wales allow international students to use concession .... cause i went there for holiday in sydney and i can use it .
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Not according to the offical word:
http://www.international.unsw.edu.au/futur...ytransport.html
http://131500.com/faresandpasses/tickets_concession.asp

That said, see this:
http://www.usyd.edu.au/supra/TransportConcessions.htm

Mind enlighting us how a International visitor on holiday in Sydney can get concession fares on Sydney public transport? What did you do to get the concession fares?
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post Jan 22 2010, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(ostangel @ Jan 19 2010, 05:14 PM)
Oh oh! I got a question! Posted it onto the Monash Thread but nobody goes there anymore sad.gif

I was lucky enough to get a room at the halls of residences, but dunno which hall yet..

So I just wanna know, do they provide bedsheets and stuff for the rooms? And the kitchens, they only provide the cooking utilities right ie. stovetop but do they also have a fridge and individual cupboards to keep our stuff?

thanks! biggrin.gif
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Answered in Monash thread biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 21 2010, 10:41 PM)
i checked last time is 60 points but depends on which specialization...AFAIK data warehousing is 70/80 points..
go to immi.gov.au website n search for jobs demand list..inside the list also got show how many points for each..
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It seems to be very difficult to get working permit there with a normal degree without experiences unless you are employed, or have an honour degree, or have very proficient English.

Which 1 do you guys normally aim to get point? I think it's not easy to get 7.0 is IELST though. Working Experiences? I don't have. Sigh...
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QUOTE(DaViDcHiN @ Jan 22 2010, 03:30 PM)
It seems to be very difficult to get working permit there with a normal degree without experiences unless you are employed, or have an honour degree, or have very proficient English.

Which 1 do you guys normally aim to get point? I think it's not easy to get 7.0 is IELST though. Working Experiences? I don't have. Sigh...
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On the contrary, I believe the IELTS requirement is by far the easiest to accomplish. A minimum of 7.0 is not too much to ask for, and if you want to work here as a professional, you should be expecting nothing less than that.
To address your previous query regarding IT, it is a recognised skill in demand, but due to the broad definition of IT, they have to limit this to a specific skillset. Currently, if you are a computing professional under any of the skills listed in the MODL, you have a very good chance for a PR.
Australian work experience is probably the hardest to achieve as local employers often require a PR or citizenship at the time of application, which effectively limits the opportunities available to those trying to gain work experience in Australia on a temporary visa.

Have you graduated or will you be graduating soon?
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post Jan 23 2010, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(DaViDcHiN @ Jan 22 2010, 03:30 PM)
I think it's not easy to get 7.0 is IELST though. Working Experiences? I don't have. Sigh...
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don't worry about IELTS it's quite easy to score.I just flip through a few examples also can get band 8.0
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post Jan 23 2010, 10:50 AM

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Can I know what's the recommended telecommunication in Adelaide?
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post Jan 23 2010, 11:28 AM

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I am studying diploma in business admin in kdu atm. If possible, i would like to get pr in aussie. Which degree should i aim for to help me to get pr in aussie? I understand it is kinda difficult to get pr using business degree. But i just want to know what options i have and which one is the best. Please advise. Thx.
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post Jan 23 2010, 12:17 PM

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hi people..

Reporting in XD
2nd year student..
gonna credit transfer to University of Adelaide this coming february...
any advice? ^^
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post Jan 23 2010, 01:46 PM

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looks like this become pr thread more than study thread
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post Jan 23 2010, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(k-ivy @ Jan 23 2010, 12:17 PM)
hi people..

Reporting in XD
2nd year student..
gonna credit transfer to University of Adelaide this coming february...
any advice? ^^
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Where are u staying? Im going there too.. First year student here. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 23 2010, 01:46 PM)
looks like this become pr thread more than study thread
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Well what do you think? I clearly stated on the front page that its impossible to get a PR as a student, but as people start finishing their courses their natural inclination starting thinking to PR in Australia. I can't say I blame them; its not hard to think of an overseas education/qualification as a "get out of Malaysia card".

When I decided to come down hard on topic stayers, I was roundly criticized. I allow a bit of leeway, and "looks like this become pr thread more than study thread". As much as it is hard to admit, many Malaysians use an education in Australia as the means of a stepping board to migration to Australia.

This is what happens when education gets mixed up with politics. Nothing good ever comes out of it.
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post Jan 23 2010, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(nimloth32 @ Jan 23 2010, 11:28 AM)
I am studying diploma in business admin in kdu atm. If possible, i would like to get pr in aussie. Which degree should i aim for to help me to get pr in aussie? I understand it is kinda difficult to get pr using business degree. But i just want to know what options i have and which one is the best. Please advise. Thx.
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You should choose a specialisation because you enjoy doing it and would like to pursue a bright and successful career in it in the future. You do not choose a degree/specialisation based on the chances of getting a PR. Doing well in your studies and securing opportunities for PHD scholarships or a great graduate job anywhere in the world is FAR more important than getting a PR in Australia. What's the use of a PR if you have dismal results which won't get you a good job anywhere in the world?

I'm pretty sure most people would agree on this point, no?


Added on January 23, 2010, 8:31 pmAlso, is there anyone else here who has recently graduated Honours and intends to pursue a PHD?

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post Jan 23 2010, 10:25 PM

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you will be surprised how many people actually choose a course of study in oz for the reason of it being an in-demand profession and to optimise their chance of getting a pr...........mostly from prc and india.........but increasing so from msia as well............

real world reality check.........

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