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post Jan 13 2010, 12:06 PM

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not only the iphone 2g... im using the 1st gen ipod touch now. few months ago i scratched the screen protector (luckily) and i had a very hard time so search for a new one in the market. all for iphone or ipod touch 2g (they say it wont fit on mine). i know this is probably not apple's fault, but resellers should still keep accessories for older models. same goes to casings. i cant find any shop who still sell ipod touch 1st gen casing around~

at least iphone 3g and 3gs have the same shape, so all casings can still be used.
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should keep? OMG
in another way to say, all the old stocks stuck in the warehouse, if they 'keep'
sometimes, this is subject to availability

supplier tak dak stock, where can they get it from?
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post Jan 13 2010, 12:19 PM

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isn't it ALWAYS subject to availability? tongue.gif

i meant reseller + supplier + all the way up. maybe a few choices would do since not many people would buy it.
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post Jan 13 2010, 12:48 PM

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maybe you open your own shop?

its hard enough to keep track of the hundreds of casings for current iPod / iPhone. you want accessories for a product that was never sold in Malaysia ... that's not gonna happen.

I do sympathise with those who have iPod touch 1st gen, and the screen covers n casings are almost totally sold out. OTOH, production is limited... since the accessory makers are also worried that Apple will come out with a new model, they don't keep producing accessories after the product has been discontinued.

we have some iPod touch G1 & iPod nano G3 & G4 accessories on clearance in machines 1 Utama, for under RM100 ... do drop by and take a look...
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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 13 2010, 12:48 PM)
maybe you open your own shop?

its hard enough to keep track of the hundreds of casings for current iPod / iPhone. you want accessories for a product that was never sold in Malaysia ... that's not gonna happen.

I do sympathise with those who have iPod touch 1st gen, and the screen covers n casings are almost totally sold out. OTOH, production is limited... since the accessory makers are also worried that Apple will come out with a new model, they don't keep producing accessories after the product has been discontinued.

we have some iPod touch G1 & iPod nano G3 & G4 accessories on clearance in machines 1 Utama, for under RM100 ... do drop by and take a look...
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i know its hard (im not talking abt iphone 1st gen anyway..i understand they're not sold here), but if one shop still got 2/3 choices okay already ;p

good to know machines 1utama still have. next time go kl i'll drop by


Added on January 13, 2010, 1:46 pmhttp://gizmodo.com/5446652/how-will-we-typ...kyline=true&s=x

voting for (very accurate) stylus input for quick scribbles and diagrams smile.gif then being able to save in pdf. wont need to print out lecture notes anymore hehe

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post Jan 13 2010, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(Kernkraft400 @ Jan 13 2010, 09:48 AM)
The term "crazy" that I used is to regard their vigorous product marketing, releasing iPhones on an annual basis, eventhough they are new in the market. With this type of advancement, it wouldn't be fair to old iPhone owners, that supports for their currently iPhone would have been ceased. Look what happened to the old iPhone 2G. It was, and still is a very, very good phone, that could serve someone for a good lifespan of 5 years. But lack of third party support like cases, covers, and screen protectors would lead to an early downfall of such a good phone from a good phone manufacturer that has just came into the smartphone business, Apple Inc.
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support has ceased? , what are you talking about here, anyone with a first gen iphone with a valid ATT or o2 contract will still receive support, we are not talking about grey items here. Third party cases are not under apple's control, thats why they are called *Third party* aka alternative solution, please be realistic, no1 would keep making cases and screen protector for a product that is discontinued, how to make money like that, if there were only 20million iphone 2g ever made, do you make 100 million cases for that one year period and keep on making 5-10 million products annually and make losses? and heck humans are never contented they will never stick to one gadget for long maybe you do but people will always get something new, maybe not today but someday.

QUOTE(Kernkraft400 @ Jan 13 2010, 09:48 AM)
At least, Nokia and other major phone companies, do not cease support of their products. Well at least, I can still see 3310's original battery covers, battery itself, screen protectors and what not, in a Nokia service centre, and also in phone shops. I don't see why you regard me as a person who wishes technology never should advance and stay they what they are.
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What support are you talking about here? service support? apple still offers this to first gen iphone owners and also the 3G. Everything about the iphone is non removable why are you comparing it with 3310? which has a totally removable parts? So do you want all the resellers to keep iphone service parts?

QUOTE(Kernkraft400 @ Jan 13 2010, 09:48 AM)
At least, when releasing a new iPhone, Apple should regard what is most important in phones, and make it irresistible. I wouldn't mind spending thousands on something that is new and fresh. Could you tell the difference between a 3G, and 3GS physically? I would be happy when the next line of iPhone includes flash, a higher megapixel camera and what not. Even my sister's cheap sony ericcson phone has flash  sweat.gif They should really use the time to R&D, slash costs and come up with something new and fresh for the iPhone i reckon.

But all in all, way to go apple, lets bring us the islate! wub.gif
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What are you blabbering about? form versus function? cmon no phone to date can match the iphone OS, its never about the hardware its all about the software, the app store and the support an the ease of use, hell if its about flash or camera i'd get a cheaper phone like SE that has 7MPX but would i get the same experience? no. To date all the three iphones has received similar software updates, can nokia or SE make sure all their line up of smartphone of yesteryears be able to install the latest symbian? no cause its a closed environment.

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Come on.... We have a full section dedicated to iPhone "blabering" already.
A tablet is a computer, not a phone. Unless Apple planning to change that "again". That is until it's announced.

So let's not turn this thread into junk post. Or another fighting post.

Back to topic... I'm waiting for such product since the day I own my very first PowerBook. So yea, I would be the guy that might pre-order it, LOL. Call me crazy or what.

But looking at the reading I gather so far, Apple might going to launch it with some smashing services like AppStore to pull in more $ than selling hardware alone.

Imagine if Adobe could push out Photoshop Lite for free test. And the Photoshop paid version that will allow you to add in plug-in or feature along the way just like some games in Appstore... Well that might solve alot issue with conventional way of selling desktop app. We might even able to customize a single app to cater to our personal needs. Let say I won't need extra filters or effects, I will just keep the basic app.
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I am not trying to disregard Apple's contribution in the Smartphone business and to be honest, Apple's iPhone is my first and by far the best phone that I have used in all my entire life. I am not a major in business and marketing, but I do understand the concept of basic supply and demand. Lack of first party accessories by Apple has not only cause major disappointments by consumers, not only on the iPhone, but also the macbook and other apple hardwares. Now, it is such a problem, if we need screen protectors, or maybe, a new casing for the iPhone 2G. Like Sony, although the have discontinued the PSP-1000s, they still allow limited cycles of accessories for the phat PSP going around in Sony Centres for their customers.

Probably, you don't see this as a problem, but i am sure many does. I use my gadgets until they worn out, I dont just replace mine just because they have another product that succeeded them, and also for economic reasons.

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QUOTE(nimrod323 @ Jan 13 2010, 10:23 PM)
support has ceased? , what are you talking about here, anyone with a first gen iphone with a valid ATT or o2 contract will still receive support, we are not talking about grey items here. Third party cases are not under apple's control, thats why they are called *Third party* aka alternative solution, please be realistic, no1 would keep making cases and screen protector for a product that is discontinued, how to make money like that, if there were only 20million iphone 2g ever made, do you make 100 million cases for that one year period and keep on making 5-10 million products annually and make losses? and heck humans are never contented they will never stick to one gadget for long maybe you do but people will always get something new, maybe not today but someday.
What support are you talking about here? service support? apple still offers this to first gen iphone owners and also the 3G. Everything about the iphone is non removable why are you comparing it with 3310? which has a totally removable parts? So do you want all the resellers to keep iphone service parts?
What are you blabbering about? form versus function? cmon no phone to date can match the iphone OS, its never about the hardware its all about the software, the app store and the support an the ease of use, hell if its about flash or camera i'd get a cheaper phone like SE that has 7MPX but would i get the same experience? no. To date all the three iphones has received similar software updates, can nokia or SE make sure all their line up of smartphone of yesteryears be able to install the latest symbian? no cause its a closed environment.
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nimrod i think u're taking our arguments a little bit too extreme. we dont demand 100 million cases and 5-10 million cases annually. as i said, a small fraction would do, so early adopters still have some choice. obviously no one is going to upgrade just so they have more choices on accessories. and of course manufacturers would concentrate more on current products. all im saying is i dont think it would hurt much for a few choices. if my current ipod touch casing breaks, i won't have anything to replace it

obviously kernkraft wasnt talking about removable covers and batteries or service parts. dont stretch it

and the last part is pure fanboy. if its never about the hardware, all of us are using Apple II right now. and the iphone, admittedly with excellent software, is only possible with its hardware: the capacitive multitouch screen. the iphone might be the best ever phone today, but it's not like it doesnt have any cons at all. to dismiss that is just fanboyism.

QUOTE(wei @ Jan 13 2010, 10:53 PM)
Come on.... We have a full section dedicated to iPhone "blabering" already.
A tablet is a computer, not a phone. Unless Apple planning to change that "again". That is until it's announced.

So let's not turn this thread into junk post. Or another fighting post.

Back to topic... I'm waiting for such product since the day I own my very first PowerBook. So yea, I would be the guy that might pre-order it, LOL. Call me crazy or what.

But looking at the reading I gather so far, Apple might going to launch it with some smashing services like AppStore to pull in more $ than selling hardware alone.

Imagine if Adobe could push out Photoshop Lite for free test. And the Photoshop paid version that will allow you to add in plug-in or feature along the way just like some games in Appstore... Well that might solve alot issue with conventional way of selling desktop app. We might even able to customize a single app to cater to our personal needs. Let say I won't need extra filters or effects, I will just keep the basic app.
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it certainly should not be a phone. i dont get why people want iSight on it. iSight on iPhone would be nice, but on a tablet aiyah, gonna be awkward holding it?

something like microsoft's Courier concept would be great. more of a computerized scrapbook rather than a full-fledged computer smile.gif being able to be a secondary display for Macs would be a seller!
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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Jan 14 2010, 02:09 AM)
nimrod i think u're taking our arguments a little bit too extreme. we dont demand 100 million cases and 5-10 million cases annually. as i said, a small fraction would do, so early adopters still have some choice. obviously no one is going to upgrade just so they have more choices on accessories. and of course manufacturers would concentrate more on current products. all im saying is i dont think it would hurt much for a few choices. if my current ipod touch casing breaks, i won't have anything to replace it
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Dude, an he isnt anywhere near extreme? cmon. I'm just putting a basic mathemathical equation, lets say during that 1 year period of june 07 to june 08, on average people change about 5-6 casings, the initial production of 100 million cases or whatever accessories would have justified it, the part i dont get is do the third party manufacturers being third party in the first instance make extra and lose money on a saturated market? think, even the smallest amount of items will shoot the cost up, they have to keep their stamping machine running on older moulds, and if its not mass production it isnt gonna be cheap for manufacturers. If your casing breaks well, just look for surplus cases that some retailers have an auction in ebay, or a sleeve case, the apple sock is something good.

QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Jan 14 2010, 02:09 AM)
obviously kernkraft wasnt talking about removable covers and batteries or service parts. dont stretch it
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right, and this line below doesnt not at all talk about that? and im stretching to far eh? how to compare that line with a phone that dont have removable parts? of course have to talk about service partsla doh.gif

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i can still see 3310's original battery covers, battery itself, screen protectors and what not, in a Nokia service centre, and also in phone shops


QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Jan 14 2010, 02:09 AM)
and the last part is pure fanboy. if its never about the hardware, all of us are using Apple II right now. and the iphone, admittedly with excellent software, is only possible with its hardware: the capacitive multitouch screen. the iphone might be the best ever phone today, but it's not like it doesnt have any cons at all. to dismiss that is just fanboyism.
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Ah dude cmon, calling me a fanboy? on this thread really? even after i said whats the point of talking bout the islate when you dont even know whats its use or whether or not it'll benefit us? and am i the one who says stuff like "i'll be dreaming about it", reality check please. Look read back what i said, form vs function. Even if we were using the latest core i7, would you be running os 9 on it? lets say with all the hardware advancement that apple put into the phone and they installed win mobile on it? would it be the same? without the app store or the developers would it be the runaway success that it is now? of course the iphone has cons, never did i say it was perfect, heck nothing man made is perfect. dont try to add words that were never in my posting, let me quote you what i said and do indicate at which point i made it all godlly without any imperfection?

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form versus function? cmon no phone to date can match the iphone OS, its never about the hardware its all about the software, the app store and the support an the ease of use, hell if its about flash or camera i'd get a cheaper phone like SE that has 7MPX but would i get the same experience? no. To date all the three iphones has received similar software updates, can nokia or SE make sure all their line up of smartphone of yesteryears be able to install the latest symbian? no cause its a closed environment


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here's my wishlist for iSlate / iTablet / iPad / God-&-Steve-only-know-what-its-gonna-be-called :

oleophobic screen,
onscreen keyboard (on demand only like iPhone)
additional 3 + 4 finger gestures,
1 USB port
audio out
video out (miniDisplay is good enough)
Mac OS X (not iPhone OS)
bluetooth + wifi.

here's what would make it killer :
sandbox iPhone apps (run them like widgets) *but then how the accelerometer and GPS*
docking / syncing accessory for Mac users.


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if they could sandbox iphone apps, yes that would be killer smile.gif i really want that for my mac hehe. so much more games to choose from (n cheap!)

stylus input please stylus input please
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nah, i dun want a stylus. we can always buy a capacitive stylus. that's why I said oleophobic screen... so that we can use our God-given styli (all 10 of them) and do some really cool stuff.
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my idea of a tablet is that we can scribble on it. i imagine typing on a 7" (or bigger) device is quite hard. its too big to type like with an iphone (we probably need one hand to hold the tablet, so only one hand to type with), and if we put it down on a flat surface to type, it wont be a good angle. so yeah, stylussss hehehe ;p

of course, included kickstand and able to support normal external keyboards is welcomed biggrin.gif
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i think for a tablet, it should be very portable rite? I think we don't need the ethernet port, instead they should put in for a 3g connection perhaps. and pls la, no stylus... it's soo not apple lah if they use it with stylus. hahah..
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i wan it with a built in camera though...
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Jan 18 2010, 10:43 AM)
i wan it with a built in camera though...
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U mean those webcam type of camera?
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I am really looking forward for the macblet, but will go for the 2nd upgrade version instead of the brand new product release.. spare parts always expensive and you will always find better refinement in upgraded which could be a year from the initial release.

Have some not so good experience with 1st gen iphone...and spart parts is really expensive for 1st gen, so.. will be patience this time.
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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 15 2010, 10:02 PM)
here's my wishlist for iSlate / iTablet / iPad / God-&-Steve-only-know-what-its-gonna-be-called :

oleophobic screen,
onscreen keyboard (on demand only like iPhone)
additional 3 + 4 finger gestures,
1 USB port
audio out
video out (miniDisplay is good enough)
Mac OS X (not iPhone OS)
bluetooth + wifi.

here's what would make it killer :
sandbox iPhone apps (run them like widgets) *but then how the accelerometer and GPS*
docking / syncing accessory for Mac users.
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i would hope for more than 1 usb... at least 2, 3 would be great.

at least 10", A4 size would be wonderful

comes with some sort of stand/dock

and - built in hdspa modem (but no call function). true connectivity on the go.
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http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4034253/yout...t_islate_video/

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4016250/appl...manyphones_com/

Looks real enuf to me.. just a bigger iPhone.. maybe?

p/s: If anyone else have any other leaks pls post here...

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