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post Jan 30 2010, 09:50 AM

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Anyone got any idea when it will arrive in malaysia?
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post Jan 30 2010, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(saw2001 @ Jan 30 2010, 09:50 AM)
Anyone got any idea when it will arrive in malaysia?
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Wi-Fi is launched internationally on the same date, "60 days from now". US gets 3G models "90 days from now" but international 3G models depends on the negotiation of local telco which is expected around June to July.


I really think Apple have got it wrong with the iPad. They were thinking of a scaled up iPhone but what people wanted was a scaled down Mac. It would made more sense as netbooks run scaled down desktop OS.
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well, i do think they pick the right choice of OS, now it's massive transition period.
cuz mac os x is way too heavy OS for a thin piece device like this

i see where it can shine, in future but not with iphone os 3.2

see, the app in larger screen like games is not just enlarge, wasted the quality. The OS now could run Open GL to double the pixel, great potential coming.

just check engadget's post on iPad SDK, it seem like alot thing is awaiting to bring out yet.
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QUOTE(fyire @ Jan 30 2010, 01:57 AM)
Well, you just hit the spot with the term here: 'portable DVD player'. There's heaps of DVD disks all over the place. But what's the average ratio of DVD / BluRay ownership anyways?

Sure, BluRay is the future, but its as per the question that I had asked, its the adoption rate high enough that most people feel the need to watch bluray on their portable computers?

I'll agree that Apple could have offered it as a Custom To Order option, and my guess that they did not is because they would prefer to cut down on the number of options available whenever they can, for purposes of simplifying the supply chain issue.
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do bear in mind that BD adoption rate in msia do not represent the rest of the world. it is far from truth.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 02:24 AM)
Have you even compare the Image Quality between iTunes HD content and BDs? For the amount you pay for the HD content on iTunes, you can go out, and purchase actual physical media, on a physical BD,  and have better content image resolution than iTunes 720p movies.

If you're not picky, then that's fine by me, but I thought Malaysians are the "best bang for the buck" kinda crowd. I find it surprising that you'd pick a HD download with low bitrate over the actual Full HD content on physical media itself.

About adoption rates, let's not go there, it will be an endless circle of "price cheaper when more people buy, more people buy then only cheaper" loop with no end in sight. BD is already mainstream in the US, the only reason it is not picked up as enthusiastically here is because it is made expensive here because of the jacked-up premium for the officially-made available BD selections here due to low demand/pickup rate. Be a smart consumer, use Amazon. tongue.gif You cant go wrong with USD19.99 BD title compared to the similarly priced(or sometimes more expensive) HD download from iTunes.


Added on January 30, 2010, 2:31 am

Funny how Apple who holds interest in the consortium responsibleand financially benefiting from further expansion on the adoption of the Blu-ray format, is uninterested in collecting revenue by offering it in their product lineup, while companies like Alienware, whom I assume holds no monetary gains out of including BD in their options, are more willing than the company(Apple) holding stakes in it.

Nope. My recent Alienware purchase was 2 years back, and they still only have the M15 and M17, before moving to the M series with the X moniker. Two only. Unless you're talking about their refurbished store, in which case, Apple themselves do provide the same service as well. Or if you're talking about their dekstop lineup, which also only two, the Aurora and the ALX series. Simpler than Apple's(Mac Pro and Mac Mini) offering, yet more willing to offer BD option, than Apple. Funny how things go in this world, isn't it?

Which still conveniently does not explain Apple's refusal for CTO for the BD drive, while a smaller entity like Alienware provides. Weird eh? whistling.gif


Added on January 30, 2010, 2:34 amBTW, I'm just killing time here, waiting for my Saw VI to finish downloading from iTunes. Also be buying the BD when I'm in LA next week. More revenue for Apple, both from iTunes and BD. Sad that I can't play the BD on their portables though. sad.gif
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one thing you may forget, has size of BD Drive slim down so it can fit into mac computer? (but i have no idea why MacPro dont have)
back to 1st gen macbook pro, apple asked the dvd drive to be slimmer down couple mm, engineersi fujitsu started headache

perhaps, it could be hardware restriction right now yet
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QUOTE(Pip_X @ Jan 30 2010, 08:32 AM)
Guys, I dun own an ipod touch nor iphone (or any other apple product) before.

I wanted a tablet to read PDF and movies. Is iPad my best bet?
Or this Acer Aspire 1420P:
http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&sour...er+aspire+1420p
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ipad uses the 4:3 ratio (1024x768), not 16:9 like most movies are today.
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Can i ask for 1 question 【Out of topict 】
if i buy IPAD in singpore , can i claim warranty in malaysia ?
Do APPLE suppport international warranty ?
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 02:52 AM)
So you're saying Apple's more interested in their bottom line than catering to the needs, however niche, of their customers?
Why yes of course. Apple is a commercial entity after all, and seriously speaking, I'm not under any illusion of them being that super nice. Are you under that illusion?

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 02:52 AM)
As for the supply chain, does a position in the board of directors holds no benefit for them? Surely people would think that Apple would be more like to get first dibs and priority and the ease of securing parts compared to those only licensing BD technology. I'd be quick to get out of any position I hold I don't get special privileges over the products I preside over.
How exactly does the BoD position relate to the supply chain when the demand may not be that high? Also, keep in mind that unlike LED panels, or flash chips, or custom CPUs, etc, optical drives are still pretty much commodity items (although pricier than the rest of the optical drives). Looking at Apple's history, they're not gonna be remotely interested in the first dibs and the securing parts unless its something that they can hog all to themselves. Let's be realistic shall we, do you really want Apple to try to hog BD all to themselves?

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 02:52 AM)
The OZ store only has two Alienware models, the M17x and the M15x. The rest are Dell's premium Adamo lineup which are not related to Alienware. Still simpler than Apple's 3 different models.
One's for gaming, and the other's for......? Either way, both impose premiums over their customers when buying their products. Still does not explain why Alienware offers BD and Apple doesn't. I don't see games being distributed on BD discs for the PC market. In fact, the creative professionals using their Macbooks are the loudest clamoring for BD inclusion so that they can include them in their work assignments (burning HD movie dailies and shipping them overnight for studio review on different side of the continent, for example).
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Well, when Alienware has got Dell's supply chain backing them up, they do not have to swallow the supply chain costs on their own right?

And as for the creative professionals, dO they really burn to BD for such shipping? But seriously lar, have you seen the average size and length of such video chips that's usually worked on? Even the HD variants? Very seldom do you get these video clips being over 4GB in size. Its not an issue of DVD medium size limitations either, but get any bigger than that, and its gonna be real cumbersome to work with, unless its the final product that's being assembled.


Added on January 30, 2010, 11:00 am
QUOTE(Only_Human @ Jan 30 2010, 10:42 AM)
Can i ask for 1 question 【Out of topict 】
if i buy IPAD in singpore , can i claim warranty in malaysia ?
Do APPLE suppport international warranty ?
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yes they do.


Added on January 30, 2010, 11:01 am
QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Jan 30 2010, 10:14 AM)
do bear in mind that BD adoption rate in msia do not represent the rest of the world. it is far from truth.
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well, its as per the questions that I had asked:
- so what's the average adoption ratio worldwide anyways?
- and how many people feel the need to watch BD on their computers instead of on that big widescreen TV in the living room hooked up to some mega sound system?


Added on January 30, 2010, 11:06 am
QUOTE(Voxe @ Jan 30 2010, 09:56 AM)
Wi-Fi is launched internationally on the same date, "60 days from now". US gets 3G models "90 days from now" but international 3G models depends on the negotiation of local telco which is expected around June to July.
I really think Apple have got it wrong with the iPad. They were thinking of a scaled up iPhone but what people wanted was a scaled down Mac. It would made more sense as netbooks run scaled down desktop OS.
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Not really. As I've mentioned before, try to take an OS where the normal method of input is via keyboard/mouse or touchpad, and drop it into a tablet without a keyboard/touchpad that fully utilizes a touchscreen and you're in a world of pain indeed.

Your comparison on the netbooks is kinda flawed for that reason, because the netbook still uses the standard keyboard/touchpad interface.

Those people with computers with touchscreens running a normal desktop OS, how much do they make use of the touchscreen anyways for normal day to day use? Apart for dedicated uses where a dedicated app is run all the time?

I'll agree with you that ppl want a scaled down Mac instead of a scaled up iPhone, but I'l here highlighting the fact that its an easier transition (from the human interface perspective) to scale up from the iPhone interface than to scale down from a Desktop OS interface.


Added on January 30, 2010, 11:08 am
QUOTE(cRazYee @ Jan 30 2010, 10:11 AM)
well, i do think they pick the right choice of OS, now it's massive transition period.
cuz mac os x is way too heavy OS for a thin piece device like this

i see where it can shine, in future but not with iphone os 3.2

see, the app in larger screen like games is not just enlarge, wasted the quality. The OS now could run Open GL to double the pixel, great potential coming.
Its not just about the hardware requirements of the OS. human interface design needs to be completely revamped for the entire desktop OS due to changes in the human input method.

QUOTE(cRazYee @ Jan 30 2010, 10:11 AM)
just check engadget's post on iPad SDK, it seem like alot thing is awaiting to bring out yet.
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isn't that still under NDA? that's the reason why I've refrained from saying anything about the SDK at all.

This post has been edited by fyire: Jan 30 2010, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 30 2010, 12:28 AM)
lol... imagine how would the sales from Machines explain the feature of iPad to customers, one day I should go in and ask too rclxms.gif

I would ask "why should I buy this thing, what makes it soooo awesoome"

Apple is indeed the world's most ego-centric company whistling.gif
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At the time u holding the device, then u know how awesome is...
Right now, iPad is not better, but who knows after 2nd/ 3rd Gen its more capable to run many important task like multitask.
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an OT question: is external BD drive supported in Mac? Does Snow Leopard includes the necessary components to read/write Bluray?
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QUOTE(Edoras @ Jan 30 2010, 07:38 AM)
In a way, yes, I have money too spend... tongue.gif
I think the reason they removed most of the format is because they need to fit the size of the iPhone/iPod screen.
What if they maintained all the format for the iPad version which have a normal big size screen?
I am sure the developers of iPad will find ways to do this.

Have you tried the mac desktop version of PDF reader called Yep?
If they have this iPad version of Yep, it would be sufficient for me.
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Nope, I use Calibre to convert my own work PDFs into my Kindle 2, which after its own firmware update, reads PDF natively. I tried converting that PDF to epub, and transfer over, and that's where the problem is, the formating, the paragraphing and punctuation haywiring, etc. Now, I'm not sure on how the iPAd reads PDFs or if you are planning to get it to read via epub format, but either way, looking at the closed ecosystem of the iPAd, does not look good.

All these headaches can easily be alleviated if just make what everyone is clamoring about: a an actual tablet running Mac OS X.
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QUOTE(Only_Human @ Jan 30 2010, 10:42 AM)
Can i ask for 1 question 【Out of topict 】
if i buy IPAD in singpore , can i claim warranty in malaysia ?
Do APPLE suppport international warranty ?
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Ironically, your question is the only one in this page that is not out of topic.

Yes, Apple do support international warranty. Just bring your receipt to any Apple distributor ie. Machines, Mac City and with a validate warranty.
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QUOTE(fyire @ Jan 30 2010, 10:59 AM)

Added on January 30, 2010, 11:01 am
well, its as per the questions that I had asked:
- so what's the average adoption ratio worldwide anyways?
- and how many people feel the need to watch BD on their computers instead of on that big widescreen TV in the living room hooked up to some mega sound system?
idk as i couldnt be bothered to look up for it but 1 thing is for sure. as HDTV become more common (already is as of now) and BD-players prices dropping, it could only mean the rise of BD adoption rate. anyway if u frequent our LYN garage sales/games thread, you cant help but to notice more BD threads compared to a year ago, and this is msia, 1 of the slowest of them all.

i do agree that BD on laptop is still a niche thing but i dont see why it should be ignored by apple. it is not a matter of how many ppl uses it or not. it is just like saying we should ignore OSX user because they are niche. anyway i personally dont watch much movies with laptop (maybe cuz i dont have a wuxga/full hd display lol) you could create a poll if you are interested but im guessing it should be >15% at least

QUOTE(nawzi @ Jan 30 2010, 11:28 AM)
At the time u holding the device, then u know how awesome is...
Right now, iPad is not better, but who knows after 2nd/ 3rd Gen its more capable to run many important task like multitask.
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this is exactly what i meant earlier, adding simple capability that already exist in products NOW will wow a mac/apple fan. i must say, the thing i admire most about steve is his brain washing skills.

This post has been edited by jiidaineko: Jan 30 2010, 12:38 PM
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Anyone knows when its going to be sold in malaysia? going to buy 1
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so , who copy who?
ipad copy p88? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(ETEAM TRADING @ Jan 30 2010, 01:28 PM)
so , who copy who?
ipad copy p88? hmm.gif
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Hmmmm ..............

http://shanghaiist.com/2010/01/29/p88-chin...-sues-apple.php
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i think apple has become a victim of its own 'greatness'...in a way. whenever there's a new product launch, people will anticipate and expect apple to deliver OUT OF THIS WORLD product. but for iPad, i see it more like a necessity, more than OUT OF THIS WORLD.

i'm from the publishing n printing industry (but i'm IT guy la) and i can see where the trend is moving - it's moving away from prints and papers. so Apple with this iPad and the new online book store, is gonna be the pioneer. Sure, Kindle is already there but....seriously....i feel like i gonna sleep when i look at Kindle.

Also, there are a lot of things that iPad can do even by using the existing iPhone SDK (3.2 of course). imagine having an interactive book. yes, there's 1 company doing that already in the States.

so to say i'm disappointed with this iPad...not really. i'm quite happy with what it has to offer and quite okay with the price (it's IPS panel..not cheap also). and most importantly, i see this as a shift in the publishing industry and a push for more contents in the future...which is good for consumers like us. smile.gif

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Every industry need a pioneer, APPLE is always one of Pioneer!!!!
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 12:02 PM)
Nope, I use Calibre to convert my own work PDFs into my Kindle 2, which after its own firmware update, reads PDF natively. I tried converting that PDF to epub, and transfer over, and that's where the problem is, the formating, the paragraphing and punctuation haywiring, etc. Now, I'm not sure on how the iPAd reads PDFs or if you are planning to get it to read via epub format, but either way, looking at the closed ecosystem of the iPAd, does not look good.

All these headaches can easily be alleviated if just make what everyone is clamoring about: a an actual tablet running Mac OS X.
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I think if iPad runs Mac OS X, the consumers will still complain and asks for more memory, more CPU performance, bigger HDD, higher res, thinner device etc.. Even if Apple can do this, it will not be able to offer the price lower than USD 499. Furthermore, with the kind of hardware specs the consumers demand, the battery will not last more than 3 hours just like the Macbook.

I think Apple have tested that Mac OS version iPad.

Furthermore, the apps for iPad is compatible with iPhone/iPods which is far cheaper than those on Mac OS X.
Just my 2 cents..

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QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Jan 30 2010, 12:30 PM)
idk as i couldnt be bothered to look up for it but 1 thing is for sure. as HDTV become more common (already is as of now) and BD-players prices dropping, it could only mean the rise of BD adoption rate. anyway if u frequent our LYN garage sales/games thread, you cant help but to notice more BD threads compared to a year ago, and this is msia, 1 of the slowest of them all.

i do agree that BD on laptop is still a niche thing but i dont see why it should be ignored by apple. it is not a matter of how many ppl uses it or not. it is just like saying we should ignore OSX user because they are niche. anyway i personally dont watch much movies with laptop (maybe cuz i dont have a wuxga/full hd display lol) you could create a poll if you are interested but im guessing it should be >15% at least
this is exactly what i meant earlier, adding simple capability that already exist in products NOW will wow a mac/apple fan. i must say, the thing i admire most about steve is his brain washing skills.
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Ah yes, but do not forget that there's 2 parts to my question. Of those who had adopted, exactly how many of them have the need to watch it on their mobile computers rather than on that huge widescreen TV in the living room hooked up to a nice sound system?

And are OS X users really being ignored to that extent? Seriously though, what's stopping you from getting a 3rd party BD drive and hooking it up via firewire anyways?


Added on January 30, 2010, 2:29 pm
QUOTE(saw2001 @ Jan 30 2010, 01:16 PM)
Anyone knows when its going to be sold in malaysia? going to buy 1
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in at least 60 days time?

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