You have a very good point there, G_KeN! Razer 'Classics' are much more trusty and reliable. Within a few months they can release so many, TOO many products. I see alot of fail products.. the Megasoma (seriously, who buys a mousepad that costs RM180?), for instance. In this case I will replace the 'best mouse' with Logitech instead, which I had previously underestimated. Especially their MX518, good build as well as a very good price.. I have heard many cases in which new, out-of-the-box Razer mouses have to be RMA'ed because they failed to function properly on their first try. Luckily mine is still going strong, I hope my Krait will last me at least another year because I've grown accustomed to the contour of this mouse.

True, Razer's QC is very horrible nowadays. In a bid to raise productivity and exports they came out with less-than-worthy products. I also do not understand the concept of having to buy a 'Battle Light'.

As for hard mat reviews, I rarely see other brand hard mats since nearly everywhere I go I can see the Razer eXactmat or it's white sibling the Razer Pro|Solutions Mousepad. I'm not very keen on spending RM5x on a piece of Razer Sphex, because I felt that my previous 'Ikea Dralla' chopping board fares the same. To those who do not know, Uncle Ianho did a review on the creative use of Ikea Dralla chopping boards (a pair for less than RM10) as gaming mousepads.. and even compares them to an Everglide mat, IIRC.

I agree that Naga mouse is a laughing stock.. I keep thinking it's a phone =.=

Anyway, this 'debate' on Razer has proved to be very informative and eye-opening, so I thank you G_KeN for your participation

This post has been edited by latias93: Jan 21 2010, 12:08 AM

Yap, so come buy my ori mouse feet for Death Adder, Michael wan let it go..fast take..lol

i not using DA anymore la brother =.= y many ppl thinks i still using DA.. haha... im using imperator..

I was deciding about DeathAdder and MX518... After reading Ken's comment I'd have to think twice...

Actually I have been reading a lot about the MX518 and DeathAdder... what I realized is that most people complain the durability of Razer mice, the performance was good but they barely last for more than 2 years. On the other hand, I've seen quite a number of people mentioning that their MX518 is still kicking ass after 3-4 years of usage.

Still I prefer the design of DeathAdder, the surface would surely feel better than the MX518 (plastic-like) and the side buttons are easy to press since they're big... but really, the durability issue is holding me back

Nice to see constructive arguments back here in the Razer Thread, instead of the constant annoying spamming of late (or rather quite a long while now).

My take is that Razer is in no way a Do-it-All company. Gaming mice is what it does best, and even at that, they've had a couple of miss hits (Naga and Orochi comes to mind). Their entire Pro|Solutions lineup is forgettable, the Pro|Click Mobile being an absolute lemon. Gaming keyboard, well, they're not that great at that either. I've had a Lycosa which I regretted ever buying from the moment I touched it, and the Tarantula, while competent enough, has had too many reports of premature key fading. Talking about fading, my eXactMat wore out pretty quickly too, though the Destructor is pretty damn sturdy.

But all these things still cannot detract anything from the fact that Razer makes really good gaming mice. From my first Diamondback, to the Copperhead, Lachesis and now Mamba, I've loved every one of them. Yes, my Diamondback had some connectivity issues, the Copperhead developed an annoying double-clicking antic, Lachesis and Mamba had some major jittering problem at the start (both fixed with Firmware/Driver updates + the Destructor pad), yet they're all exceptionally great mice in my opinion.

Now I know I'm not painting a good picture on Razer product quality here, and credit is due where it is due and but in this instance, they don't quite deserve it. There is no doubt whatsoever that Razer needs to improve on their quality, and fast. There's only so many defects that a fan can take before they have serious doubts on buying newer Razer products. I'm not quite there yet though =p (will be getting a DeathAdder/Imperator + Sphex/Destructor for my new work place soon).

I give a special mention for the Mako though, a truly awesome set of speakers. I look forward to its replacement (if there is any), and hope to God that Razer sticks to a 2.1 setup.

This post has been edited by igor87: Jan 21 2010, 01:36 AM

From my point of view, I seriously do not know whether it's a person luck to get the defect product or is it Razer that bad? Mind you, I ain't a Razer Fan Boy. But from the very 1st Razer (CH and Destructor) i got, the only issue i got from CH is the logo lights suddenly just gone. Other than that, it works perfectly and served me well. Then comes the Barracuda HP-1, I got it for second hand. Lucky me, I RMA'ed 2 days before the warranty period ended, and i got a new replacement of it. Reason i RMA'ed, cause it has some distortion sound. Just try my luck to RMA and a new one was replaced. Comes the Lycosa mirror edition, heard from LYN saying that the back light will become dimmer, the touch panel not working. For mine, it works perfectly and Hope it WILL work perfectly. As for Mako, whoever owns mako will understand how good is the speakers, no?

Those are my point of view. Not to offend anyone here nor hard feelings. Just to share my experiences having Razer in my room.

Oh, did i not mention my moray is also doing great.

It depends on how you see it actually. I personally own a couple of Razer mouse,from the Krait to the DB3G and then the Salmosa and all had been working fine. And mind you, my Krait had been around for (i believe) about 4 years. Except for the usual wear and tear (rubber peeling off etc), i still have yet to get any problem with it. And my almost 2 years old DB3G are kicking fine.

I agree with a couple of people here that Razer mouse had probably one of the worse QC i ever seen on a gaming mouse. I handled a couple of Microsoft/Logitech or even SteelSeries before and they dont felt as "cheap" as the Razer. My Krait was OK, the DB3G is good, but the Salmosa was a joke. It just dont feel sturdy enough. But that doesn't take away the fact that they are indeed good mouse. I used them for a while now, and will continue to use them. If we are talking about problematic ones, the worse i had was the Lycossa, requiring to RMAed in just a couple of months. And yes, the Lycossa should be the worst product from Razer that i have ever owned. Not to mention, the most expensive.

And besides the usual Rubber peeling off from the mouse issues, all of them are perfect. Even the Goliathus Speed are working well for me. I am not sure which mat you guys are comparing it with, but i had the Everglide DKT previously and trust me, the DKT was far worse than the current state of my Goliathus. Overall, i just say i would hope that their built quality would be better but in the meantime, i will still stick with them unless i found something better.

This post has been edited by akachester: Jan 21 2010, 09:33 AM

i thought the 31st Jan date is the last date for free limited edition Razer shirt meh????

Anyway,I used Razer products before I bought my Mamba.The time I purchase my Mamba,many ppl recommend not to get any Razer products anymore.But I still go for Mamba(The only mouse that come with a 5600Dpi that time,and....yes!Its cool).So far so good for me,I think sometimes that is only few batch of products that facing Q.C problem.

how's the imperator

well, why do u RMA ur razer stuff in the first place? Because they failed to performed as advertised/faulty. my point here is that when u own a razer product, u'll have a greater tendency to RMA it. Yes, no electronic products are perfect, but with Razer, the rate of them to get faulty is higher. I dont recall any electronic brands/ gaming brands that requires more firmware updates than Razer to fix some bugs/issues in their products.

No offense, Mako is a good speaker, but is it worth the price? For rm1k, i can get other brands speaker like Audioengine, M-Audio Studiophile for less price but yet able to provide better sound quality even the edifier s-series provide better sound quality than razer mako.
ure buying mako because
a) the unique design
b) the gaming brand
c) THX certified.
d) funky touch sensitive control (failed)
Well, THX certified my a$$.. They're just marketing gimmick for Christ's sake. Overbloated bass is one of the common imperfection the so-called THX enhancement speakers. Well, im not just talking about mako, im talking about logitech speakers as well. I do agree that they are LOUD, but in terms of overall sound quality they produced, there are much better speakers out there. we're just influenced by better marketing strategy Razer has deployed towards us consumers.

Dont get me wrong. Like i said earlier few posts behind, there are some pretty good Razer product (in terms of build quality), specifically Boomslang CE, but then again......

If my memory serves me well, there was one time where after the release of first batch of Mamba, Razer decided to include teflon ring around the sensor of the later batch. If u're in the first batch, how would u fell about the situation? Pretty sucks eh, paying for the same price but with no teflon ring. Btw, my mamba has teflon ring but i sold them for rm240 2 weeks later to forumer niclasteoh. Why did i sell them dirt cheap? bcoz the stupid battery cap not alligned well with the rest of the base, causing the mouse to get unnecessary friction, thus making the base to get scratched and tearing my QCK Mass mousepad.

Oh, have i mentioned that Moray is one of the crappiest earphone ive ever heard? For the same price, go for the likes of Koss, Sennheiser, etc. You will regret buying moray. No offense, just saying them for the truth.

This post has been edited by G_KeN: Jan 21 2010, 01:08 PM

hello dude? mind ur words pls? ur too over reacted edi. razer mako is expensive, no one asks u to buy? and its for GAMING FOR GODS SAKE. its not for u to play what music, i u wan music, don talk about mako, talk about other product IN OTHER THREAD, NOT IN RAZER THREAD DUDE. pls respect razer fans here, we buy it cuz we think its worth it, if u don think its worth the money, or the money worth for other things like logitech, pls go to that thread. MAKO IS A GAMING SPEAKER, NOT MADE SPECIALLY FOR AUDIO. SO PLS .

HHELLO DUDE? U SAID MORRAY CRAPPIEST EARPHONE? lol! im using moray and sony rm 140 earphone, my moray pawns? hello, pls get ur facts right, this is MEANT FOR GAMING, not for CASUAL USE! u are trying to make razer product same standard with those product which are meant for casual usage. try ask BATA make jackets for winters. do u think its a bit funny? tats wat ur trying to say. asking a gaming company to make products for DJs and professional movie makers usage. sohaiz, really get into my nerves already. this is gaming product, not cincai any general product for general usage. THIS IS GAMING PRODUCT MIND U

I wanna ask u a question first, DID razer state at their website, their product is for music, movie, DJs, radio station, record company? or did they state clearly, its FOR GAMERS BY GAMERS? do GAMERS know what the heck is happening in recording company? or do GAMERS care about whats happening in a movie? OR GAMERS CARE ABOUT THEIR GAMING quality? think pls.

This post has been edited by Michaelbyz23: Jan 21 2010, 01:21 PM

Okies..
Enough already..
You guys had been arguing for the past few days..
I agree with both parties' certain finer point..
So, can you guys just drop this?
Nobody is perfect and Razer is not perfect..
So, that's the point..
You do not like Razer, then do not use them..
You like Razer, then use them..
No need to get heated up over some small matter ok?
Have a nice day then..

michael, i received the free shipping coupon....the 31st Jan date i think is the last date for free razer limited edition t-shirt and not the coupon.....correct me if i'm wrong....cuz the 5% discount coupon that i get says limited time offer only but can use them until now....been saving the coupon for like 2 months now....

yes, same. both the coupon and shirt date is this january 31.
but the 5% discount can use anytime. until further notice is made i think. heheh

Chill guys. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And yes, fanboyism is not allowed, and frankly, its getting a little thick, ridiculous and annoying here.

To me the moray isn't that bad, and well worth the (relatively) low price. But then again I'm no audiophile. I love my Mako though. Sure it's expensive and an extravagant buy, but at the end of the day it's up to the end user to decide whether or not it's worth it. Me, I'm wholly satisfied by it, it's one of the very few things that I'm genuinely proud to own, with only my car being the other. Btw, the Mako is actually co-developed with THX and not merely THX Certified, and no, that detail has no meaning to me in any way.

Bring back the educated discussion and begone with the mindless fanboyism/spamming/bashing.
Cheers.

dang it, need to raise cash faster to purchase imperator b4 31st Jan...
unless, some1 willing to donate, haha...
if got imperator, that one will be my gaming mouse
my DA will be casual using mouse

This post has been edited by Mirrors_Edge23: Jan 21 2010, 02:05 PM

That's why... it kinda depends on your luck. Poor people like me couldn't afford to spend so much for a mouse and take the risk to whether get a good mouse or otherwise... It's even worse when there are so many strong competitors out there and Razer is selling at a premium price. One thing is for sure, if I have the money to spend I'll always get Razer... it feels comfortable.

to those who said naga was a laughing stock, have u guys ever used a naga? what type of games do u primarily play? I hope u guys are aware that it's intended for MMOG. I personally find the side buttons to be very useful, and the longer i hold it, the more i love it.. thought it's not the sexiest in Razer's lineup, it serves it's purpose..

let me make it simple, this is a discussion thread, not a debating hall.
if you two have something to say to each other, take it outside, and leave this thread in peace.
Keep the Razer thread clean, nobody wants to see a flame war break out over petty reasons.