If u r using the AVR crossover, set the crossover at the sub at the highest point.

Yes.

This Sunday not possible, will PM or call u later to set a time/date.

Yes. That would help to not localize the sub. In ur case, ur sub is actually much closer to u than ur speakers and setting it any higher would increase chances of localizing the sub. This is for the AVR setting.

On ur sub, setting it to the highest is essentially turning off the crossover.

We can arrange when u come back.

I can imagine the impact.

BTW, checked out the PB-12NSD today. Really powerful that beast...Can only imagine the PB-13U. Lower and bigger.

Yes its pretty clean. However, this one was calibrated about 4-5dB hot. There was very little boominess and it sounded good. The low end is definitely strong. It does not dig as deep (this one was not corner loaded) as the PB-13U I heard at ur place nor the Seatons but it is well controlled and very little overhang.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jul 18 2010, 11:15 PM

Next trip...BTW how does the display look now?

Actually the rest were somewhere 78dB and the sub was almost hitting 82dB. The surrounds were only at 76dB. Surround resolution is better with MultiEQ XT compared to MultiEQ.

jchong,

His surrounds are mounted at the back wall, and the chair is also against the wall. This is bound to cause some problems with the readings. Coupled with less resolution of the MultiEQ, there can be variances depending on the positioning of the 1st mic position.

When I do mine, there differences between the LCR/Sr are typically less than +/- 1.5dB.

It is better to push the chair slightly front to stay away from the back wall, but in ur case that is not possible.

I will check again when I complete the cal, but it shd not be overpowering. If it is overpowering, would suggest to reduce 1dB for both sides.

I believe u r not based in Malaysia, right? The shipping cost of USD180 is cheap if its all the way to Malaysia..

At 40 subs, u guys better be getting USD180!

The last I checked if its single sub, it was something like USD400 odd.

I believe u r making a wise decision.

The PB13U, Seaton Submersive and now the Rythmik F15 are all in the class of subs that u cannot really go wrong.

I am pretty sure the eD 750 is also such a sub...

The sealed vs ported is a personal thing.

bro,

If u've got the time, drop by....check out the F15.

The last couple of days (actually from Saturday last week), I've been mucking around with the Rythmik F15.

Most of u who know me and hv been to my home, will know that I am an audio 1st guy. I currently own a Dali Ikon Sub (12in driver) that seemed to do the job well in my room, went down to about 26Hz. Probably at high SPL scenes, it could go to about 100dB but it was always strained. I have auditioned the Rythmik in the owners home before and at that time, was convinced that it was either a room problem or a sub problem. Subsequently, I listened to PB13U (was absolutely floored by the punch), Seaton Sub (my personal favourite due to its ability to handle music and movies with relative ease, the one complaint I had to the owner was that his sub was outperforming the rest of his gear!), the Velo DD12 (also powerful but not near the PB13U) and all of them in this range seem good. I am pretty sure by pierreye's current impression the eD650 seems to trump his DD12 easily so its another one of those damn good subs...

My current Ikon Sub has overhang, that's one thing I do not like when integrated to my current fronts. The Ikon6s go pretty low (rated at 37Hz) but paired with a sub, for orchestral pieces and even music, its even better. Being a 6 1/2in driver of course it does not do low frequencies that well but its rated low anyway.

So when I actually plonked the F15 by simply removing the IkonSub, (did not redo the Audyssey), the improvement over the smaller sub was clearly evident. The older AS-EQ1 curve was set to cutoff everything at 26Hz due to the older sub. All I did was to adjust the trims to bring the levels matched, and even then the difference was clear. I later re-did the EQ1 with 1 in 2 out combo and set the F15 to 20Hz mode. The curve post EQ1 was pretty spot on and the cutoff was set at 18Hz or so. I did not do REW or enable the PEQ on the F15. I believe for my 2 channel listening this will improve the effect much more. Some of my reference CDs for bass response do seem much better. Also I can listen at lower volumes and still get the low end to show. So after all this, I watched some of the normal scenes to check the overall bass response for movies.

Boy, was there a difference! My room is untreated, so I already know that there will be a decay problem. Maybe this weekend I will run the REW curves and see how it looks.

The normal movie scenes that has been recommended by all, Batman, WOTW, KungFu Panda was all so much better compared to my older sub. All this was not at reference levels. Since my room is untreated, I normally listen to -5 to -10dB below reference, at the impact was really big! The sub seemed to dig deeper (of course) and the impact was visceral as well. The kick in the chest was evident on some of the scenes. I will write more of my impressions later.

So the moral of the story, for all those contemplating for a sub and u r the kind who wants to enhance ur viewing experience, go out there and spend on a good sub. All the subs above are good. Of course, with htkaki selling SVS here locally in Malaysia, it makes it that much easier in not having to import the sub urself and also with the addition of the new SB13, u can get the sealed in big bad a** sound! I also know how capable the PB13U is as I have felt it in the demo room and its one big bad sub! Certainly give it a try if u r looking for a big sub.

I am definately going to continue to play with this sub to see how I can further integrate it into my 2 channel stereo as there are still knobs on the bugger (phase, PEQ, damping and rumble filters) to see if I can improve on it.

I do not use the 876 for music. I use a dedicated pre/power combination for music. Its the Holfi PreNB1 and the Holfi Power NB2. I am looking at the possibility of a pre amp with HT bypass but have not decided on that one yet. If I do get one, it might be a tube amp. The way I hv it set up now requires me to change the cables each time. I believe Rythmik might hv a new amp with the required LineIn/Line out and dedicated LFE in soon.

Also if u need the RCA to 1/4" plug, check ThyeHuat, I hv to check if I hv one as well. The CM-140 is great...

The only thing I am not so sure abt the Submersive is that for me I would require more inputs. The Submersive has only one mono input. For 2 channel stereo, you would need to use a SMS-1 that has that the required inputs/outputs to do what I want. Or you would need stereo to mono summing box.

I know one thing based on my listening the last few days, the DaliIkon Sub is just not going to cut it on its own. I need a better sub for sure. The F15 is a definately something to consider. The Seaton Submersive or the PB13-U is the holy grail (eD I think as well, but i'm not a diy person with wood..., soldering here and there and making simple circuits are ok, but wood....I doubt).

The new amps on the PB13U are also cool. I think I will stop saying good things about the Seaton as that would mean ron losing his exclusivity. This way we can all drool abt the Seaton. . Its one good sub IMHO!

Also on the HT bypass, there are some options like Odyssey Candela (tube amp with HT bypass), Parasound.. I am not too sure abt the USP-1 for now.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jul 28 2010, 12:53 PM

True, but I am quite happy with my current preamp...trying to resist the poison to change the preamp. I just spent quite a bit changing from integrated stereo amp to pre/power late last year...cannot justify.

jchong and I spent some time listening to the eD a7-650 yesterday...

Powerful is one word to describe the bugger.

We actually got it to bottom out even with the SVS AS-EQ1 (that did a fabulous job with integrating the 2 subs for all scenes except the IronMan scene) in the mix.

The sound signature is so very sealed sub, fast and did I mention powerful...

pierreye, I think we need to spend some more time understanding what actually goes on during the scene and maybe move the sub, even 2 ft maybe that will help.

Cool. I hv not heard the DSP3400 before, but I hv seen it in the shop. If it works for ur friend and u, thats the most important. Sound is very subjective as there are no real standards defined. I hv heard some Paradigm subs before and was not impressed, but the DSP3400 seems to be well regarded.

How much is the sub25 in Msia?

paskal,
It really does not matter how u came to the conclusion why the paradigm is better as long as u r happy with ur purchase.

In a sealed room, yeah the build up is real. In an open area like mine, the more the merrier!