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 The Official Subwoofer Thread v3, Everything you need to know about bass!

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post Sep 21 2010, 09:05 PM

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Those LFE freaks, do check out Wanted. Some pretty good LFE in that one.
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post Nov 5 2010, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Nov 4 2010, 11:16 PM)
hmm, can anyone recommend me a way to check Audio frequency of DTS and DD?

I need to check the LFE frequency...seems like for some movies there is a clipping sound on DTS..i doubt its my Subwoofer is the problem cause I've dismantle it, check for physical, problems and also tried with other bass heavy movies.

i did try to google for 'Audio Frequency Checker' etc...but mostly I got is more to external Sound analyzer..not 5.1 Channel analyzer. i want to check internal MKV audio freq that is DD or DTS.

Thanks in advance
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There is a dolby encoded test disc that reproduces the frequencies that u need to test to see if there is a problem with ur sub. Its at the AVS forum and is a free download. I will see if I can find the link, else I will pm u and we can see how I can pass u the disc.
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post Nov 30 2010, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Nov 30 2010, 12:46 PM)
Shuto would have the bullet ready for 2nd sub 25 anytime.
First impression is that this sub is more dynamic and detailed than a PB13.
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Do let us know ur impressions as u listen more. Was this this when compared to the pb13 for movies or music?
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post Nov 30 2010, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Nov 30 2010, 05:53 PM)
14.7k for cherry finish and 16.3k for piano black.
Asia Sound is the authorised distributor for Paradigm.
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Same price in Penang as well. 14k+ but did know know that was for the cherry finish.
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post Nov 30 2010, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Nov 30 2010, 09:01 PM)
Price includes a PBK as well.
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Wow...cool. After u spend time listening do let us know.
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post Dec 16 2010, 09:05 PM

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There has not been a FR chart in some time, thought I would spice it up.

Close mic'ed response of my Rythmik Audio F15 PEQ2 DI, using 14Hz and High Damping setting. This is in DI LFE mode (with extension to 200Hz). In this mode all crossovers are bypassed. This is not a max SPL chart.

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Behaves as spec'ed with -3dB at about 14Hz.

The next chart is at listening position with PEQ and no Audyssey. Some boost below 14Hz. The dip at 90Hz is not really worrying as the other sub evens it up. When I have the time, I will rechart with Audyssey and the dual sub readings.
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Good sealed sub response. The decay times are not shown but since my room is not treated so it is about 500ms.

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post Dec 17 2010, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Dec 16 2010, 10:05 PM)
Nice close mic'd response. Shows that the sub is very even and extends down as spec'd.

One of the benefits of a 2nd sub, as you mentioned, is being able to fill in dips of the 1st sub.
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This is without Audyssey, the results are flat enuf for music and with the single band PEQ the listening position together with the fronts are pretty good. Its a good sealed sub. For those who are into movies, I would suggest ported subs as it has the big sound feel for movies. Rythmik just released some ported subs and submitted them for the audioholics sub shootout, so lets see how they stand.

Of course, we all know how the famed SVS subs are for big sound moments. I wonder how HSUs new ported 15in sounds like.
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post Dec 17 2010, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Dec 17 2010, 03:19 PM)
Indeed this is very 'flat'. How big is your listening area?

Looking at taukeh-taukeh's setup,I am itchy to get a second sub as well. I have power outlet ready at the other corner of the room.
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ronaldjoe,
This is close mic'ed response. The 2nd chart was at listening position. My room is 17 x 15 but opens up on the right to a 30 x 12 ft.
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post Dec 17 2010, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 17 2010, 07:56 PM)
with those L shape room design where the living room is in one "leg" and the dining room in another "leg", we'll lose a lot of bass, right?
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Not necessarily. Some people have heaed my setup. As music is my primary goal, I don't need loads of bass still I get enuf kick for movies. Of course, multiple good subs would be better.
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post Jan 6 2011, 07:25 PM

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Audioholics recently reviewed the SVS PB12-Plus and as expected its one powerful sub, loud and very good overall perfomance. I wonder how the others will fare.

On another note,I believe there will be an announcement soon about a dealer/rep/distributor for Rythmik subs for the Malaysia/Singapore/Thailand region in the coming weeks. I own a F15 PEQ2 DI and have heard SVS subs quite a bit. They are different and excel in different areas. It gives Malaysians a choice, plus I have been told that the 1st few batches will be very competitive in price...

I am adding a sub, either the F15 or the FV15HP.

I will open an owners' thread once I can confirmation or the green light. Will also see if I can get Brian or a Rhytmik rep to participate in the thread....

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post Jan 6 2011, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(tim_1335 @ Jan 6 2011, 11:25 PM)
bro anfield,

any idea how much is the F12?

how much u bought ur F15 for?
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I bought my F15 used and upgraded to PEQ2-DI.

I believe the 1st shipment will be F15 and FV15HP. I don't think its worth to bring in the F12 as the price difference is minimal. Lets wait for the price confirmation but I believe the price would be competitive.
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post Jan 7 2011, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Jan 7 2011, 06:45 PM)
HTKaki,

I'm just curious, when we use floorstanders like that, do we still set it to 'Small' on the AVR?

Will it be a waste to buy a floorstanders that is capable of 50Hz and then cut it to 80~100Hz using 'Small'?
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azbro,

I'm not htkaki butif the floorstander is capable till 50Hz, then cut it off at 70Hz. (20Hz above the rating). Still set it small.

My speakers are rated at 37Hz. If u look at the anechoic chamber FR u will notice that it is flat till about 60Hz then it starts to roll off. The roll off continues till about 37Hz where it is -3dB. As you can see, it starts to roll off at about 20Hz from its rating. For music, it will do fine playing full range as most instruments (even bass guitars) don't go much below 30Hz and normally not at high SPLs anyway (unless bass heavy tracks).

Also most front speakers are ported and tuned at higher frequencies. What I find now is that a proper sealed sub can supplement a good floorstander for music as well. It just gives u the extra depth... (the warmth that people talk about)

For movies, the fronts and the centre do a lot of work. So to take the load off, setting to small and redirecting bass to a capable sub will allow more definations for the fronts.
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post Jan 8 2011, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Jan 8 2011, 02:49 PM)
Thanks for the info...so, safe to say, even if sub cut off at 70hz, and the speakers are set as 'Small', the floorstanders (with 2 6inch or 1 8inch) will give more bass than bookshelf speakers?

I feel like wasted investing in all Floorstanders (except the center) when I just needed a bookself or puny surround speakers.
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There is almost always more bass on a floorstander than a book shelf. (Note : almost always, depends on the design)

For music, moving from bookshelves to floorstanders were a revelation for me at least.
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QUOTE(SyriuS @ Jan 14 2011, 07:08 PM)
Hi guys,

I'll be upgrading my 2310 to a 4311 soon, and since it has a Sub-EQ, I was wondering if it would be advisable to pair my old Velodyne CHT-10R subwoofer w/ my current SVS PC12+ ? I was reading a thread on avsforum where they advised to set the Subsonic filter on my lesser sub to 'limit' it as well as lower its output using it just to 'fill in' the gaps. Else I will just leave it with my other 5.1 setup. My setup is just in the living room where I sit nearfield, PC12+ gain is slightly less than 10 oclock or 25%(?) to achieve 75db. Any advice or feedback would be most welcome. Thanks in advance smile.gif
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Syrius.

I run the my 2 unidentical subs using AS-EQ1 and allow AS-EQ1 (in ur case the 4311) to equalize the 2 subs and it works just fine. The sub eq will find the -3dB frequency of the sub and redirect bass accordingly as far as I was told, I might be wrong.
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post Jan 17 2011, 08:54 AM

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As I indicated earlier, there now is an official overseas distributor for South East Asia.

Sound Fusion Sdn Bhd.
Rythmik Audio SEA Distributor

junwei who is a forumer here is working on bringing in a small 1st batch.

I will start an owners thread soon.

I hope this will spur more interested people to hear how the F15 and the F15VHP perform. I believe these are the 1st 2 models to be brought in.

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jan 17 2011, 07:56 PM)
Wow, excellent pricing for the intro.
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Yeah....Even after the intro, he is trying his best to keep prices very competitive compared to if the person were to buy it direct from the States.
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QUOTE(creed @ Jan 20 2011, 02:00 PM)
just wondering would these higher-end sub (e.g. SVS, Rythmik) that started with at least 12'' a good match for the satellite system?

Currently got my satellite cross at 100hz, would these large diameter sub happily take the job up to 100hz?

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The Rythmik F15 (PEQ2) has a LFE mode that extends the -3dB to 200Hz. So no issue. I believe the SVS shd be no issue as well.
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QUOTE(logit85 @ Jan 23 2011, 01:34 PM)
wow great but the woofer is massive low Xmax
i realy need Deep bass that need high Xmax most be 38mm or 50mm for xmax so be can get deep bass
coz i have hip hop songs for malaysia album tamil for Rabbit Mac Ma Carrotz for PSYCHO UNIT
that i realy need deep bass too so be great but i dont want burned voice coil
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logit,

since u r writing some pretty intense words like Xmax and all, what is the lowest frequency the album is recorded in? What is the spl? If u do not know this then how will u know anything is ever enuf?
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QUOTE(jchong @ Jan 25 2011, 09:31 PM)
Thanks for finding their website.

Yup those certainly are pro-audio subs. Known for very powerful mid-bass, but doesn't dig deep I see the FR only down to 40Hz.

But I can see the benefit of adding them for KICK!
When you say "devastating" I guess you mean the kick/thump in the chest feeling?

How much is it?
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These subs are usually used in clubs or open areas....so the hump in the mid bass region will more or less drown out a lot of other things as well. I believe it will come close to advertised easily interms of max spl. The only issue is the distortion numbers.

If u guys are really looking for mid bass modules why not HSU MBMs?
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QUOTE(weim76 @ Jan 30 2011, 12:49 AM)
I am using only one output from the 608 to the single input on the subwoofer.
Yeah, I have done some further research on this and the general suggestion is to aim for +/- 3dB for any compensation. But if I lower the gain on the sub any further, that would mean a setting of less than 1/4 of the knob, which I suspect might be abnormal in practice.
If any of you sifus out there have the gain on the subwoofer set at 1/6 or 1/8 of the knob, pls reassure me that it's ok to have the setting so low.
Currently I am at 1/4 of the knob for gain on the subwoofer and -13dB compensation suggested by Audyssey (not the minimum limit yet which is -15dB for my Onkyo 608).

Let me share a portion of information from the Audyssey Calibration Guide at AVS below:

5. Check the subwoofer trim level setting in the receiver / processor menu.
a. If the subwoofers’ trim level is at the maximum limit of the cut (-) or boost (+) adjustment range allowed, you need to adjust the volume control on the subwoofer and repeat step #2. Specific instructions will follow.
b. Trim adjustments are a tool used to achieve the goal of producing the same Sound Pressure Level (SPL) from each speaker / subwoofer in the system.
c. For example, Denon receivers have a trim adjustment range from -12dB to +12dB.

6. If the subwoofer trim level is at the maximum boost (+), turn up the volume control on the subwoofer slightly and repeat step #2.

7. If the subwoofer trim level is at the maximum cut (-), turn down the volume control on the subwoofer slightly and repeat step #2.

8. A suggestion for tweakers is to set the subwoofer trim level in the range of ±3 dB.
a. This is only a suggestion for the tweaker who likes to play around.
b. Audyssey’s position is to perform steps 4 to 7 above.


Would it be fair to say that as long as the maximum subwoofer trim level has not been reached, the subwoofer volume control is fine as it is?
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weim,

It really depends on the sub, the placement on whether its 1/6 or 1/8. Some subs have high gain set in the amp that cranks it up very fast.

If possible, I would advise to get a SPL meter and double check the levels after Audyssey.

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