If our sciences and technology is soooo high, I wouldn't need to clean your computer viruses.. And we should already have colonies in Moon or Mars..

Science is a necessity but not everything.. Our science still not able to replicate human emotions onto robots let alone to prove the existence or non-existence of God.. We're still not able to travel further than moon, let alone to look where is Nirvana or Heaven.. We can only speculate what's inside our earth's core through thermal detectors.. Human can speculate anything about God referring to their Holy Books..

Its you to choose whether to be a believer or not.. For centuries, people die for their beliefs, and things will go the same until the end..

It might not be possible now but you can't say the same about the future. Anything is possible. From "animals" who used to hunt for food, we've become so advanced today.

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This post has been edited by marsalee: Nov 13 2010, 08:24 PM

human is intriguing and begin to doubt the creator's purpose and looking back to where we come from.
I don't think it is cycle but more likely in other system than Earth because we don't know if the sun burn constantly forever and will worn out, when one cycle is over, I think it will remain dead like those inhabitable planets. Civilization may damage the environment permanently and become like Mars or even moon where there are ice.

Animal without intelligence hunt for food and reproduce and that is their life cycle, they are non destructive to the environment, We become human and civilization is a cancer to nature even to the galaxy / Universe if we reach the "Star Trek" era.

*How old is the earth?
Carbon dating is the reliable method that determines the age of fossil remains, so it is not speculation that the dinosaurs lived millions of years ago, the question of cycle is as if the environment heal itself to allow a new cycle but so far no evidence of unknown technology, unless the earth is completely shuffled and these evidence are buried deep.

However mysterious the pyramid is, it is still made of stone. My own theory is that sand is the mode to drag the stones instead of lifting with crane like us today, easy enough to build sand dune.

Still, it does not offer any leads to the "purpose" of us being created and this thread is to tell your interpretation and test your state of mentality not for people to debunk with science or emotion.

Hasn't that situation, already happening to people?

So, it has happen and that is my perception based on events and documented histories, we tell ourselves to look for purpose not hardwired into our brain because we can choose to have a religion or not. The fact that born Muslim has no choice is to grow their population if not to maintain the (Power to protect the poor) that are the majority and religion came when there are humanity crisis.

I gave myself an answer to define my purpose and live to achieve the goal, it makes me feel more considerate otherwise I don't know why I continue to play the descendant game like an animal with sexual urge.

We are born into the “game” and seek our role, who do you want to play is the person you are and that can change by knowing and learning, I felt silly and stupid looking back to what I have done and didn’t do because I have changed but many people remain stagnant, perhaps it is their purpose.

Human lives is expectable, at different age we are likely to do certain things by social standards even the job we do has ceiling / market value. Those who dare to challenge reality are the bosses and business owners or someone who have followers by any influential means.

So, who are you today and who will you be tomorrow or what is your mission?

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Dec 24 2009, 01:03 PM

God is a comfort for the souls who are rejected by the society in different ways. God keeps the needy strong and going.

god is god.cant define in such a manner things.

We know about life cycle, we are somewhere in the cycle and will die one of these days, when it happen, nothing else matters to you only those who know and remember you.

If you die without achieving anything and in vein, you’ll probably have more regrets than rejoice. What if you are given a chance to re-live a life from this age onwards and do things differently? I am sure you would be more appreciative and try to do better because you have experienced the end perhaps change your narrow and selfish perception.

We also know about living pattern doing what others have done, doing a job making a living and attend to all matters as it happen, most people forgot that it is a repetitive pattern dealing with complicated emotions and emotion dictate our lives that over power our ability to ration.

Opinion about our existence shows the level of mentality based on knowledge and emotional state that fluctuate though out our lives unless you adopt and hold on to a religion. I have seen videos of some people convert from one to another and make a better living with it / in it among different community.

As a whole, religions is just a way of life according to a pattern and balance the political power across continent, you can choose to be nobody with nothing significant (ordinary consumer) or somebody that contribute something to your kind / community regardless of your believes and be a follower, the expectable pattern of life.

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This post has been edited by marsalee: Nov 13 2010, 08:29 PM

If animals suddenly grow intelligent ala Planet of the apes, they would surely go after us for 'various' offences.

Like my essay huh, Well, I think we are in tune at some level but why must you define who is better? Which religion do you think is in control of the world economy and who are those in our country or in your cluster? Indirectly, they influence our way of lives, directly, they classified us by race. Believers don't question god and free thinker just wonder about the creations not to say non believer, I do believe are created by something and it could be random occurrence under natural law but what / who is in control of the law or better known as "purpose".

Are scientist going against the natural law by cloning human / animal? A scientist with religious believes would not trespass this law, according to the evolution pattern, it will take a long time to develop intelligence and animal brain will not suddenly have it, if animal species were to evolve with intelligence, they will share our features not remain as chicken or dog, the sense of shame to begin with and won't copulate in public and how to invent or use tools with claws and paws?

I don't get what you mean by "Various" offenses, you mean slaughter and eat them? In case you forgot, the animal world is either eat or be eaten. Look into the mirror and see your animal physiology, it is your mind that make you think you are a human and the real difference between you and others. Fighting, killing, performing sexual act is when you act like animal


I like to think that we reflect the creator, at this point in time we are relatively smarter than people 100 years ago by ratio because of science where emotions / animal instinct remain the same. I am powered by a neutral "god" player came to tell you in simple perspective so we all can be more considerate.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Nov 13 2010, 08:52 PM

God is not meant to be conceivable by human thought. Talking about it is meaningless.

The topic here is:
Define your God even if It was absurb to define it, Close-minded backoff (Philosophy)

So your parent gave birth to you and you don't care why, they just "F" every day and you came out after 9 months. Now is your turn to do the same and you call that meaning?

If God is so easy to describe then everyone would have paid dearly for their sins. Then earth would not be inhabited by anyone. Everyone taken away just like that. And babies no matter how innocent they are are left to rot. The scheme of things than humans would not change. And probably a recycled plot of God sending someone to guide everyone into being good and how to run their lives.

Few thousand years later, they come to this age again of self destructing. Then they are taken away again like a big reset button.

Even further than God something sees it like God is having a blast playing God!

But i just treat God as someone who is there. Whether i like it or not.

Reset button, like playing video game. So you too share my interpretation that we are just game characters?

Believers cannot accept that and there must be a purpose otherwise they will loose direction and the will to live, the feeling of insecurity will lead to chaos. Religion is created to suppress this group of people (the majority) from going crazy, sorry if you are offended.

A life need money & affection and love is what we all live for, memories is what we get which is the trophy of a lifetime regardless of how long we live. The disabled tends to think that life or “god” is not fair to them and it is our responsibility to pay more attention to them. Between human, it is ideology that separate us if not mental strength based on knowledge and experience.

The person we are today is not the same if we learn something new today.

Why must there be an extrinsic reason to life? Why can't the meaning of life be the meaning we give it?

The philosophical theory called absurdism describes it best. From Wikipedia:
"Absurdism is a philosophy stating that the efforts of humanity to find meaning in the universe ultimately fail (and hence are absurd), because no such meaning exists, at least in relation to the individual."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism

But this isn't the end of the world. Absurdists believe that once you have embraced the notion of absurdity, you can then define the meaning to your own life.

I personally subscribe to this philosophy, and have never been happier since I've embraced absurdity. Much like believers "seeing the light".

just to clarify something. the choice by scientists whether to follow/break the "nature's law" is not just based on religious reasons.

an atheist scientist may also decide to NOT approve human cloning because of various other ethical reasons which are entirely secular.

so just to shout out: just because somebody ain't religious doesnt mean he'll do bad things

then by this logic, no human definition of god whatsover may be applied to god.

this includes all religious definitions of god.

any attempt to defy this assumed logic contradicts the two premises, therefore that statement is a logical fallacy

This post has been edited by -Adrian-: Dec 30 2009, 12:28 AM

God as a creator.
Quantum forces as a creator.
Any difference?

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Dec 30 2009, 12:57 AM

God or not, nothing can change the masterplan.