"The person we are today is not the same if we learn something new today.". i like this

your arguments carry a huge dose of the afterlife, but really what happens when you die and nothing really happens

if you ask me, god is a fag. everyone tells me he has a grand scheme in the whole clockwork, he looks at it at a marco level, but after reading heaps of economic reports and global politics i feel hard to believe the existance of a supreme being that is looking after everyone.

Assuming I am living a second live changed my perspective completely, I would do more for others than myself. Ever ask yourself if you are given a second chance to do the same thing again and you would do it differently? We make mistakes to learn but we should not repeat the same mistakes others have made because it is our responsibility to avoid and tell.

Japan recorded 30,000 suicide cases in 2009, what ever the reasons, its a pattern and every country has a statistic and some choose to hide it to avoid / encourage, local news paper were advised to keep this kind of news low profile. Does it mean religion is loosing ground?

if you ask me honestly, i would not repeat the same mistakes but i will not change my course. i will not go about being a nice guy and do it, its just not my nature.

well religion is not losing ground, suicides are common in japan and its in their culture they even have traditional suicides. but while that happens one has to look at the larger picture, birth rates are increasing and the overall human population is growing rapidly, thus the numbers in % will naturally increase. the overall human race however is till triving well

do you have a prove on it? to you life just like mineral bottle. recyclable. I hope your wife is not a recond product...haha.

Cant we accept that we are just like other energy in the universe - Laws of Thermoynamics.

When we dies, the energy will be transfered and tranformed into other things. Our body will decomposed as soil and the fosil minerals will be used for fauna growth. The energy from it might be used to grow some trees and fruits. Then got eaten and tansfered as energy again.

us? same with those lowly animals and plants and everything else? the very idea is unthinkable!

What is wrong with your English? Make it habit to improve your English if you want to learn something from the (acting) PHDs here, Don't worry, I was like that before.
Don't take my essay like a statement, I only imply if we treat our current life like a second chance, we would be doing things differently and perhaps more appreciative or extreme. I am divorced and we are both second hand now, I can marry someone even if she is third hand because we are only human.

Good one, I don't believe in recycle soul, our brain is a giant AV and sense recorder though not all memories are intact but it does store enormous amount of info / energy and when we die, it may be absorbed by gravity or insignificant to the amount of other wave lengths. Whether it is natural law, religious law or governing legislative law, we are made to abide to rules in everything we do because we are like stray animal without it.

You feel irk compare to other animals & plants only if you put a human mind in an animal body or as plant. If you are thinking from their point of view, you won’t feel the same. Chilli is hot and some plant grow thorn to deter from being eaten by animal, how do they know animal will eat them shows that we are living things at different speed of time.

We are superior being because we have intelligence and can choose to be happy or sad by fantasizing or recalling memories, there is so much we can experience & learn and one lifetime is often not enough to experience it all so some people say live “life to the fullest” just to reap as much as possible but don’t play like there is no tomorrow or you will regret if you are still alive the next day.

I think I am getting long breath...

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Dec 30 2009, 03:58 PM

Its not an idea...its a fact. U die and get buried down under, ur body decomposed by tiny2 insects and organism that break us down into the elements for the use of nature. We are basically fertelizer when we die.

Lowly? I think if u compare the state of humans and animal today, u might see that humans do what animals couldnt even think of doing.

hahaha, cant imagine how it happen. recycling human like a bottle. i dont have PHD in polymer chemistry... do u believe in god?

If I have to choose, I think we are created by alien and they gave us intelligence among all animals on planet zoo just like we keep animals in the zoo. Why do we do that is the same as they do to us.

Whoever created us is our creator and they may not be the creator of the Universe under the zoo theory, so which is god to you? I don't believe in the god created by human or through a human, why the hassle? Declare holly war again and again or we came from a male & a female that means we are incest descendants.

So who or what is watching us like characters in the theater or zoo?

Even if we are living a second life, there is no way to know. Neither will we know what our past mistakes were. So why does it matter? If I were to live again, knowing what I did wrong this life, I certainly wouldn't repeat my mistakes. But phrase it differently, do I regret my past mistakes? No, not at all. If I did not make the mistakes I made, I wouldn't have known what my mistakes were.

Learning from others is indeed an important thing. It is what drove the evolution of language. One reason why our species is so much more advance than the other species is that our species has gain the ability to communicate through language. It is therefore imperative to our survival that we keep learning from one another. Hence why debating should not be seen as an hostile act, but rather as a means of learning from one another.

okey then who create alien? just exist like that or they create themselves...

but then why can god just create himself?

god is super duper powderful and can do everything, including creating herself.

Translation: Surah 112: Al-Ikhlas (The Unity, Sincerity, Oneness Of God)


In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

4. And there is none like unto Him.

replace allah with existence/universe

Let our imagination fly free and life is a story, many of us like to watch movie to see the drama where ordinary life is less interesting or bizarre. Having said that, imagine second chance like watching movie, lets say you were chosen to be given a chance to re-live life again and at the age you prefer with memory fragments of the first life in the form of dream / de ja vue.

So every now and then, you feel like you have the experience of recurrence and to the extent where you remember the dream that come true or expecting things to occur like predictable scenario. Of cause, it sounds absurd today but that is what started Islam, Prophet Mohammad dream of god and it became a religion.

How does Einstein formulate atomic reaction and other theories? He must have simulated it in his mind and the same goes to other prominent figures in history, we simply call them geniuses, messenger / son of god or just brutal mastermind like Hitler.

Then again, if you have no regrets and have done nothing wrong or just killed in an accident, you can choose the end because it is as if there is a second chance, live goes on with or without us we only play the descendants game.


God may create alien and alien create us is just an example, we could be created indirectly or the by-product of by-product, I think you are very young or have very little imagination to pick this up from what I imply earlier because you seems to read only words rather than the rationale. If you already submitted to one god, everything else is wrong.

When we ask who created god, it could be a higher god and the higher, in our term “infinity”. But why go count the numbers of zeros in trillion / zillion, if it won’t matter to people like us

movie is movie. real life is real life. i mean it is possible that there is some metallic based aliens that can transform into earth based vehicles too, right?

You have to find the rationale in such discussion not the meaning of words, I don't find Transformers have anything to do with us being created or did they just transform into cars and truck to please us? Movies triggers our thought & emotion and influential enough to reap millions in business and is a part of our lives in reality, read English the English grammar way not translate to your language word by word otherwise will make you sound silly if not stupid to offer opinions in a hasty manner.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Dec 31 2009, 04:18 PM