GOD is the creator of universe.. Sky above to deep ocean and everything in between...no doubt. And we are the special species among of his creation. only human have MIND to question the existence of our creator.

Try to answer the question above. In case you don't understand the question, you agree that we are created by god but who created god in the first place? Where does god came from? something must have created something according to our logic and why are we created or what is the purpose of us believing in god?

If I am created by the same god as yours, convince me that I should stop being stubborn and follow your god. So in your terms, people who don't have religion are lost and god send people like you to cast your words of wisdom, if so, the other serious thread is more appropriate for you because we can talk nonsense here.

God is indeed beautiful, he made many customers so willing to buy from the minority, so I must produce products related to religion and will definitely be rich no doubt from believers point of view, good inspiration there and I think I found my path, thank you so much $$$$$$$$

1. God is one and only. no others like Him. God did not create other Gods. He is The One. Nobody create him. It cant be create or destroy...
2. You are not stubborn and i never ask you to follow my God. I never said someone lost here. But need a guide to understand deeply.
3. I am not talkin business here. no comment about religious product.

Is our dream the product of our own thoughts and observations? Or were they put there extrinsically? Does a man with congenital blindness dream in colour? How does green look like to him/her?

Even if we gained experience from our dreams, experience we can never otherwise gain in this life, why think of it as our previous life? It could just be the manifestation of our subconscious.


You must not be human then, since you do not question the existence of this so called creator. Way to go in ridiculing all your fellow believers.

our car never question us who create them. even most advance robot in the world ASIMO never question that. but we are the most advance creation ever built by God.

I am assuming a blind person dream in audio, smell and touch instead of visual and the same discipline apply but I only use the mysteriousness of dreaming to appreciate the one life we currently live in, nothing more.
While god cannot be ration with logic because the question is in circle, so dream is the only logical excuse that god can choose to communicate with us, well, like Prophet Mohammad did, it is not wrong to say that a religion is born from dream and if we were to communicate with god, dream it is.

kubing,
You must be a kid, car or robot is created as a tool not a living thing, therefore does not "think". You fail to explain yourself;

1. God is one and only. no others like Him. God did not create other Gods. He is The One. Nobody create him. It cant be create or destroy...
Your god just create himself? How do you know?

2. You are not stubborn and i never ask you to follow my God. I never said someone lost here. But need a guide to understand deeply.
Where is the guide? Don't tell me to read the book.

3. I am not talkin business here. no comment about religious product.
I am very certain that religious product can sell base on your respond

1. Im not speaking Tamil here. (I just state that and read again if u miss some)

2. what kind of books r you reading? find 'someone' to help you. reading are not enough.

3. give me examples please... i never used Doll,candle thingy to be in touch with my God.just pray n feel it with my heart..

U out of many ppl here dont seem to have any problem with 'imagination'. if u get what i mean. And no one here put an example of cycle of life to the likes of plastic bottles.

If u want ppl to take ur belief seriously, u got to take others the same way as well. Dont be dissapointed when others ridicule ur beliefs when they are just returning u the favour.

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Added on January 3, 2010, 2:22 pmI doubted God created those things. Because the same God created a perfect and logical, scientifical universe (or multiverse) can not have a split personality being so clumsy and fickle minded about updating his revelation to mankind in a span of 4000 years and with little results! Even my Norton updates faster than that? Doesnt really sound like a work of a supreme being to me. Not to mention he forgot to takeout our foreskin before sending Adam down to earth fr heaven no?

God do this, God do that, ironically he needs YOU to talk in his All powerful behalf. Very powerful of Him indeed. All u have is ur say, and few verse in a book as a prove, which can also be applied to UFOs. At least in UFOs case, ppl actually saw it!

Bolded - Im not too sure abt that...There are probability of advance civilization out there. They wouldnt have advanced to far if they stick to a shallow premise of religion now can they? Just look at ur religion now. All ure waiting is the end of the world. How do u expect to advance if such?

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Added on January 3, 2010, 2:27 pmThen ure just as good as ASIMO and the car. Dont question.

We? Most advance??? Without the help of oxygen tank, we can go to deep water and space. Without cables, we cant climb the rocks, without night vision we cant see thru the night. Without planes we cant fly. We are perfect if everything above is built in within us. Without that, we cant even go head to head with a group of dogs. We will lose. Remember, no weapons, just Gods creation.

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But why must the mysteriousness of our dreams be put down as "from god?" Why can't it be a manifestation of our own subconscious? Many of us dream of perfect things. The perfect spouse, a Utopian society, A in exams etc. So who is to say your Utopian dream is heaven, while mine isn't?

I have just borrowed Freud's Interpretation of Dreams from the library. Yet to read it, but my current understanding is that dreams are just the manifestation of our subconscious. Which is why humans think God created us in his image, and heaven is eternal (because we fear death), among other things. So you are right when you said that the notion of religions stem from dreams, but that in no way shows that God does exist.

We all have dreams. What makes Prophet Mohammad's dream more worthy than mine. Why isn't God a version of Megan Fox that stays 25 forever? Why must we meet God at the gates of heaven? Why can't we meet Megan Fox instead? That is my dream. Daydream. Still a dream.

keep ridicule bro. no one bother you then.

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Added on January 4, 2010, 7:31 pmSigmund Freud is Jews and Carl Mark too... don't follow them. if you want your path guide you to heaven

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prayer mat, quran, holy scripture decorations, prayer videos, surau in buildings, haji trips, etc. etc.

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Added on January 4, 2010, 10:57 pmsuch arrogance. dont follow muslims, if you want your path guide you to heaven

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Nothing to say? Dont post. This is PhD thread. No space for meaningless one-liners pls.

Ridicule? I saw u comment something abt someone's wife up there. And ridicule others post with 'recycled bottle'? Im just returning the favour. Im not here to get attention. Im here to debate, with anyone willing to do so. I dont mind if no one bother. Theres always other place to go.

Ur replies are typical of a moslem posters here. Ive seen it too many times by to many ppl. Cant counter-argue? no problem. Post a one-liner - Or a verse or two. Yeah that helps.

I agree with all the non believers, thought I would prefer free thinker for my self. I could not believe in the "messenger" or representatives of god who are human, end of the story. I have had some weird dreams, I die a few times, I thought of something that has happen before I was told are some that is too freaking to be coincidences and I remain neutral in this respect than to declare myself as non believer.

This topic is about getting creative with our personal interpretation of god / creator not to promote 1 god, your god or their god, we could be the result of multiple byproducts. The fact that so many people willing to submit themselves to a religion and never doubt the origin of the story shows that human are generally followers of ideology, regardless of the religion, we all abide to constitution law in our daily conducts and that is the supreme product of humankind except religious matters.

Ordinary people need god, those who don't may be preoccupied by something else such as science over god.

*Kubing, a publisher I work with reproduce a series of religious books for the past 8 years and are making millions, I had to thank his god too otherwise my job don't exist. Though it promote the religion but it "exploit" in business term, who pay for it? The believers in this country who praises and a sin to doubt.

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to far from my sight. I dont know what PhD you have but im too slow to catch you all. huhu.. keep asking who create GOD is the motif this thread was create. at least from my point of views. When someone come out to explain then more question come out(tat good).But I dont see someone try to understand but build formation n keep firing people with ignorance idea. Dont know which book did you guys read but i can see it far from the truth. keep it up guys coz no one in this planet care. except me.. if you r looking for God debating is not enough. Heaven and hELL IS way beyond from that. Is heaven exist to you all ? iF its exist then who is The Creator of heaven. dont say alien again..

You need to stop trolling these threads if you have nothing constructive to add. We are trying to learn here. By the way, it's Karl Marx, not Carl Mark. You wouldn't like me calling your God 'Elloh', do you?

Just to forewarn you, I will be clicking the 'report' button on your next insensible post. After a while, the humour is lost.

What you have is English problem. You need to read more English books and articles. Start with English language newspapers. You don't need a Phd to understand most of what have been said here.

As for ignorance, I think the person who claims humans came from blood clots is the ignorant one. Which book have YOU been reading? Oh, that's right, the Quran. Just to let you know, I did not ridicule the Quran, you did. Since you were the one that made outrageous claims from it.

Think twice.

I have a question.
I am not trying to make a point about religion here.
I just want to ask, how many people here have the knowledge of different religion? I mean does some of you here, have finish the Quran and the Bible (just to name a few) for a sake of argument. Or just taking religion/god as a whole itself (without considering of any specific religion ). But isn't that too bias? I mean how can you judge something even before understanding it?

How do you make your judgement? Books or articles or just pure opinions.

I am stupid. Just asking questions around. Sorry for the troubles, and thanks for the answers.

I understand that, people doesnt have to decipher the whole holy scripture to form their opinion. Thats why i am asking, isn't that, a bit too bias?

Please read again.

God is something that is "undefined", if human able to define "god" doesn't that make human god? we can't define His look, we can't define his location, we can't define the essence of his existence. But this doesn't mean He does not exist, if God exist in front of our eyes then nobody would be afar from His religion.

If one can define God, the "God" you define isn't The One True God, its just a manifestation of a being you called God. He is Exist but He purposefully make us doubt of his Existence. So this "Doubtful" being can try to find the correct path or stay astray. Those "He" favor will be guide by His Path.

If say scientology's that the world is created by an atom, does that mean the atom is The God? If not, what created the Atom?

Defining God is meaningless, if you can "define" god. Thats mean you just finish the game, He is undefined. Your mind will go crazy trying to define Him. You can define his existence, but you can never Define God as Himself. Be it a being or manifestation.

I just had this conversation with a christian cousin.

God is something you believe in. It is recognition that we humans are not almighty and despite all our valiant effort to try to fix or chart a course in many things in life, we still somehow fail and stumble. It will show if u you have done enough self introspection and be brutally honest with yourself. And you will then have to admit your failure and incompetence and submit a Higher self, trusting that He will lead you to where you want.

How I came to discover his existence is - I sunk very low in life, heading into depression, and got into addiction to booze and smoke, and doing a lot of things without regards to people and consequence, and things where I just tell my moral feelings to shut up.

Then one day I woke up, I realized, yeah life sucked, tried hard to fix things, yet things just don't change and f***ed up events keep happening. Then for the first time, I made a sincere prayer. Time to tell myself, my methods sucked, stop trying hard and banging walls and getting nowhere, just go with the flow and let go of trying to control everything and believe that things will turn out ok.

So, God is just something you believe in.

Then instead of beating urself up over screwed up events in ur life because u think what u did sucked, u'll be able to start asking perhaps God wanted it to happen to teach u a lesson, or to bring up some unresolved issues in childhood that u need to resolve before u can move on to better life etc.

This is similiar to the attempt to "stop judging yourself and start observing your feelings" kind of thing that self-help guru and books teach, so you can also say that the better way to achieve that is to put a name to a higher entity and surrender the right of judgement to Him (because He knows better), and you just stay put as an observer.

This post has been edited by LanEvo7: Jan 6 2010, 09:38 PM