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post Dec 24 2009, 08:08 PM

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post Dec 24 2009, 10:14 PM

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Berba has got his chances alright, and he's choking with the pressure.

I think at some point (which I'm guessing at the end of the season), we have to admit Berba isn't the player that was intended to be. I'm still hoping that he'll prove me wrong. People said that that is his style, etc but the fact is he doesn't gel with Rooney! Like I said before, Rooney is a Gascoigne-like material. Works hard, strong, fast but lacks that magic in front of the goal. He used to have them with his flicks and finishing but ultimately he's not a finisher. Our only finisher materials are Berba and Owen but I've already laid out my points before.

Our midfielders are not producing the balls because they're playing as centrebacks! Granted that they play in their usual positions, we'll be in a much better shape as shown from early season.

It never hurts to have another striker, an experienced one especially. And as a club like Manchester United, we need great quality strikers. Diouf, Macheda, Welbeck are still in the learning process. For pete's sake, they're only under-20, how much do we expect from them? In the mean time, we only have 3 experienced strikers and one of them is Owen? Not to say that he's no good but he's not exactly as sharp as before, only a 3rd striker material.

I don't exactly care who we get the next round. Either way, it'll be beneficial for our squad. But let's not disregard the fact that we do need the goals. The 2 games we lost vs Villa and Fulham, we scored zilch. Is that only defensive problem or offensive?

Anyway, Merry Christmas all!
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I beg to differ. Berbatov's great this season. I'd not forget his scissors-kick against Sunderland. That's a 10/10 for me. And when he got injured last month(he even missed liverpool's match), It took him time to recover and SAF chose to play 4-5-1 instead. When he recovered, SAF didn't rush him back either. Owen's been really fantastic, he needs more games to achieve his sharpness again. He scored great goals against man city, hattrick against wolfsburg, indication that he's doing good so far. Like i say, I'd rather focus on our defence and midfield now. And yeah, how outstanding Shay Given was stopping 3 of berbatov's headers against them.

And now we have Diouf into the team. He'll stand behind the seniors and take his chances. Signing another experienced striker will only pressure berbatov and owen. It'll limit the chances of them playing as well. I don't wanna see another tevez case. As for macheda and welbeck(diouf too), experienced or not, they are still part of the team and do not want to be left out.. Aside from playing for the reserves, they do attend the same training session and dressing room. In order to be experienced, they will need to play for the senior team which is chances they have to fight for.

Just have a look at tottenham, having 4 experienced strikers, Defoe, Keane, Crouch, Pavlyuchenko. Pavlyuchenko is looking to leave spurs due to lack of first-team opportunities. And now robbie keane is linked with a move to celtic.

That's all I want to say. Merry Christmas.

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post Dec 24 2009, 10:39 PM

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Well, Berba didn't play the last few games. So pretty weird to put the blame on him. Fact is we've got to compensate a bit trying to cover up our patched up defence, and that affects our attacking performances as well. Villa fair enough we couldn't score.. but it's just one of those games where we needed that one goal to bring us back to life, but it never came. Even with Ronaldo, or Ruud in his prime we struggled in some games where that goal never came.

Against Fulham it was the tactics and the form Fulham been which made it difficult for us. We played with a 352 which is unfamiliar for us. In hindsight, somebody should have played the wingback role on the left and moved Evra to LCB.. or even start with a 433/451/442 right from the start. But we only had Evra and De Laet as natural defenders. And we had to protect the two midfielders we put in defence to look after them. 3 seems a safe choice, because if in the event the play start on one of the side, and the LCB/RCB get pulled to defend the threat, there are two others manning the centre, and we have the wingbacks back as well. Didn't work to well obviously. Evra should have been back there where he can do three role at once.

We never got going in that game, having two of our best midfielders playing as defenders didn't help. True our attacking play were non existent almost, but then our form which was coming good before that died down because of the extra burden put trying to cover out patched up defence. The service just wasn't there.

As for Berbatov.. sure he doesn't get enough goals right now and he should improve that. 20-25 would be a good return. But anyone thinking the reason we brought him in for his goals is seriously mistaken. He's a creator, the link man. And that he does well, although in the big games that doesn't quite happen for him yet. SAF said he was looking to him to take over from Giggsy.. someone with composure in the final third, and he has that in abundance. We play better with him in the side.. we just doesn't look as fluid going forward when he's not around.

As for getting another striker, I don't agree. Rooney, Berbatov, Owen, Welbeck, Macheda plus that Diouf guy.. not sure what else we need. You said yourself Owen is a third striker.. and he's playing that role pretty well. Berbatov is there for a reason, other than getting goals. That's Rooney's job, and he's doing pretty well in that role.

We just need to get our regular defenders back and play our normal game, along with having one of Fletcher/Carrick or both back in midfield where they belong. We missed their steady presence there.
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post Dec 24 2009, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(nshady @ Dec 24 2009, 06:01 PM)
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We actually bought Carrick because of his passing abilities. He used to provide good long passes from midfield. But now he doesn't do much of it anymore, mostly just normal short passes. Giggs is our playmaker since CR left us and yes, Anderson is our best bet with his offensive part, long passes, moving forward with the ball and aggresiveness.
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Personally I like his defensive part more... flex.gif He's kinda shy offensively blush.gif
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post Dec 24 2009, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(eddy_87 @ Dec 24 2009, 11:19 PM)
Personally I like his defensive part more... flex.gif He's kinda shy offensively  blush.gif
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his off the ball run sucks big time
in the game against fulham we can see how limited r we in the midfield part
anderson was lost in the game coupled with scholes lacking of athleticism (plus his early yellow) cost us the game
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post Dec 25 2009, 12:02 AM

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Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year my fellow Man Utd Brothers! xmas.gif

My Christmas Wish is that we dont buy any players during the january transfer window tongue.gif

Nite all and have a lovely evening wherever you are. cheers!
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post Dec 25 2009, 12:25 AM

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Now we have rafael and fabio back. Brown and Vidic expected to return too. Good christmas gift eh?
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post Dec 25 2009, 08:05 AM

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Hull v Man Utd preview

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Manchester United will travel to the KC Stadium to face Hull City on Sunday with the majority of their defence still sidelined.

The champions were thumped 3-0 at Fulham last time out, with their defensive frailties there for all to see as up to six of their backline missed out through injury.

Red Devils manager Sir Alex Ferguson attempted to play three at the back against the Cottagers, with Ritchie De Laet, Michael Carrick and Darren Fletcher filling in.

United were torn apart by Roy Hodgson's men, but Ferguson admits that he could use the same system against Hull at the weekend.

Despite the heavy loss, United are still just four points behind Premier League leaders Chelsea after the Blues could only draw 1-1 with West Ham last Sunday.

However, United could go into the game seven points behind Carlo Ancelotti's side if the West Londoners beat Birmingham on Boxing Day.

The Tigers will no doubt make life hard for the champions, with manager Phil Brown seemingly easing the pressure off his shoulders after a number of positive results in the past month.

Despite the fact that the club are without a win in three, two of those games have been at Aston Villa and Arsenal, Hull are unbeaten at home in six, although they are still hovering precariously over the relegation zone.

Even though United go into the clash without a number of recognised defenders, it remains to be seen whether Hull will be able to test the visitors' shaky backline having scored just 17 goals in the league this season, the second worst tally in the top flight.

Tigers news

In contrast to their opponents, Hull have just two injuries, albeit to arguably their two most influential players.

The Tigers had looked to be moving up the table thanks to some sterling performances from the charismatic Jimmy Bullard, but the midfielder has been ruled out for six to eight weeks after injuring his knee at Aston Villa.

Although the news came as another blow for the injury-plagued 31-year-old, the fact that scans revealed no ligament damage would have been met with a huge sigh of relief by everyone at the club.

Fellow midfielder Ian Ashbee remains sidelined while he recovers from his own serious knee injury.

Red Devils news

Ferguson admits that he has had to rush back Brazilian twins Rafael and Fabio Da Silva for the clash and both should start. That could mean Patrice Evra moving from left-back to central defence alongside Carrick.

The Scot is also hopeful that one of either Nemanja Vidic (calf) or Wes Brown (hamstring) can return for the trip.

Fellow defender Jonny Evans (calf) remains sidelined but could feature against Wigan in midweek. Gary Neville (groin), John O'Shea (thigh) and Rio Ferdinand (back) look certain to miss out once more.

Goalkeeper Edwin Van der Sar looks no nearer to recovering from the knee injury he picked up in the 3-0 win over Everton so Tomasz Kuszczak should continue in goal.

Ryan Giggs (hamstring) looks likely to be absent again while Nani (foot), Owen Hargreaves (knee) and Federico Macheda (hamstring) could all join him in the stands.

Possible starting XIs

Hull: Myhill, Gardner, McShane, Dawson, Zayatte, Geovanni, Fagan, Boateng, Olofinjana, Garcia, Hunt.

Man Utd: Kuszczak, Rafael, Evra, Vidic, Fabio, Valencia, Fletcher, Anderson, Obertan, Rooney, Berbatov


http://www.skysports.com/football/match_pr...3205399,00.html

Wenger names Giggs as Player of the Decade

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By Nick Teale

Arsène Wenger has chosen Manchester United midfielder Ryan Giggs as his Premier League Player of the Decade.

During Tuesday's exclusive webchat with Arsenal.com the manager opted for the Welsh midfielder after being asked who he would select as the best player to have graced England's top flight over the last 10 years.

Giggs was awarded PFA Player of the Year at the end of last season and recently collected the 2009 BBC Sports Personality of the Year award. Now he has been named as Wenger's Premier League Player of the ‘Noughties'.

"As a non-Arsenal player I would say Ryan Giggs because he has combined style with winning," explained the manager.

"Also I feel sorry he could never attend the World Cup, somewhere where people get a lot of compliments when they do well. But despite that if you look at his club record it is quite impressive."

[Wednesday, December 23, 2009]


http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/w...r-of-the-decade

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QUOTE(Wan @ Dec 24 2009, 10:39 PM)
As for Berbatov.. sure he doesn't get enough goals right now and he should improve that. 20-25 would be a good return. But anyone thinking the reason we brought him in for his goals is seriously mistaken. He's a creator, the link man. And that he does well, although in the big games that doesn't quite happen for him yet. SAF said he was looking to him to take over from Giggsy.. someone with composure in the final third, and he has that in abundance. We play better with him in the side.. we just doesn't look as fluid going forward when he's not around.
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well if berbatove is playing the linking man, then rooney playing defense and generally running around ........ who the heck is gonna score the goals?
that's our main problem. everyone wants to be a link-up man and noone is disciplined enough to stay in front of goal.

leave up the playmaking to the midfielders and be a striker for santa's sake doh.gif

merry christmas again xmas.gif weeeeeeeeeeeee! off to church for service.

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post Dec 25 2009, 09:43 AM

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Ferguson admits that he has had to rush back Brazilian twins Rafael and Fabio Da Silva for the clash and both should start. That could mean Patrice Evra moving from left-back to central defence alongside Carrick.

The Scot is also hopeful that one of either Nemanja Vidic (calf) or Wes Brown (hamstring) can return for the trip.

Fellow defender Jonny Evans (calf) remains sidelined but could feature against Wigan in midweek. Gary Neville (groin), John O'Shea (thigh) and Rio Ferdinand (back) look certain to miss out once more.


Yeay! rclxms.gif ...Hopefully it would be a good new year celebration. Absolutely good news!
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QUOTE(nimrod2 @ Dec 25 2009, 08:10 AM)
well if berbatove is playing the linking man, then rooney playing defense and generally running around ........ who the heck is gonna score the goals?
that's our main problem. everyone wants to be a link-up man and noone is disciplined enough to stay in front of goal.

leave up the playmaking to the midfielders and be a striker for santa's sake doh.gif

merry christmas again xmas.gif weeeeeeeeeeeee! off to church for service.
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Exactly my point dude!

Berbatov is not playing where he should be playing. Rooney is not a centre forward, he doesn't stick inside the box and wait for chances. He creates them. We've seen in the past how he links up well with a finisher like Ruud/Saha, even Ronaldo. That's the poacher/finisher that we need. Rooney will never be a target man nor a finisher. Someone else will have to be and we have that perfect man in Berbatov but somehow I don't know what is happening? Linkman alright. That's because we had Tevez, Rooney, and Ronaldo, an additional 3 striking options upfront last season but we've lost two this season. Now that we've only 2 striking which are hardworking and skillful but no final delivery, that's gonna hurt in the later stage of the season and it's already showing signs.

I hope you guys don't get me wrong, Rooney is banging in the goals but if you look at how many chances he's had and take away the penalties, that's not a lot. Plus, he haven't even scored in the UCL correct me if I'm wrong. Rooney can only play well up to a certain level because he's not the finished product like a Drogba/Torres who has the technical skills and that finishing that we so sorely miss this season. Unless Berbatov bucks up with his confidence and shoot more rather than pass, Rooney will be exhausted.
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Merry Christmas guys... smile.gif

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been reading the saga about Hughes sacking.
seems like all the united old boys are trying to cheer him up and backing him up.
saf also tikam city liao saying there is no loyalty there.
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QUOTE(Makakeke @ Dec 25 2009, 09:53 AM)
Exactly my point dude!

Berbatov is not playing where he should be playing. Rooney is not a centre forward, he doesn't stick inside the box and wait for chances. He creates them. We've seen in the past how he links up well with a finisher like Ruud/Saha, even Ronaldo. That's the poacher/finisher that we need. Rooney will never be a target man nor a finisher. Someone else will have to be and we have that perfect man in Berbatov but somehow I don't know what is happening? Linkman alright. That's because we had Tevez, Rooney, and Ronaldo, an additional 3 striking options upfront last season but we've lost two this season. Now that we've only 2 striking which are hardworking and skillful but no final delivery, that's gonna hurt in the later stage of the season and it's already showing signs.

I hope you guys don't get me wrong, Rooney is banging in the goals but if you look at how many chances he's had and take away the penalties, that's not a lot. Plus, he haven't even scored in the UCL correct me if I'm wrong. Rooney can only play well up to a certain level because he's not the finished product like a Drogba/Torres who has the technical skills and that finishing that we so sorely miss this season. Unless Berbatov bucks up with his confidence and shoot more rather than pass, Rooney will be exhausted.
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I'm not going to argue about him anymore. Berbatov is playing the position he is supposed to be playing(striker no?). You should say that he shouldn't pass/hold the ball longer but try to score/shoot instead. We don't need a new striker because of that.Why does the arguing about berbatov comes back again when the past two losses had nothing to do with him? He just got back from an injury afterall(give him a break please and wasn't selected lineup for both). And please don't compare him to Drogba and Torres.

I have doubts over the bolded words. He may not be a very good finisher, but he has scored crucial goals for us(we'll exclude the penalties) and you never know if he improves now and then.

I'm confused that why are we even debating about our strikers now. Shouldnt it be our defence/midfield to talk about.

At this moment, I'd have more concern about our defenders than anyone else. icon_question.gif

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Merry X'mas and happy new year!
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QUOTE(Makakeke @ Dec 25 2009, 10:53 AM)
Exactly my point dude!

Berbatov is not playing where he should be playing. Rooney is not a centre forward, he doesn't stick inside the box and wait for chances. He creates them. We've seen in the past how he links up well with a finisher like Ruud/Saha, even Ronaldo. That's the poacher/finisher that we need. Rooney will never be a target man nor a finisher. Someone else will have to be and we have that perfect man in Berbatov but somehow I don't know what is happening? Linkman alright. That's because we had Tevez, Rooney, and Ronaldo, an additional 3 striking options upfront last season but we've lost two this season. Now that we've only 2 striking which are hardworking and skillful but no final delivery, that's gonna hurt in the later stage of the season and it's already showing signs.

I hope you guys don't get me wrong, Rooney is banging in the goals but if you look at how many chances he's had and take away the penalties, that's not a lot. Plus, he haven't even scored in the UCL correct me if I'm wrong. Rooney can only play well up to a certain level because he's not the finished product like a Drogba/Torres who has the technical skills and that finishing that we so sorely miss this season. Unless Berbatov bucks up with his confidence and shoot more rather than pass, Rooney will be exhausted.
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england partnered rooney with heskey. heskey was just like berbatov, supportive more than finish. I guess he must have good finishes then.


Added on December 25, 2009, 3:26 pm
QUOTE(zenix @ Dec 25 2009, 12:32 PM)
been reading the saga about Hughes sacking.
seems like all the united old boys are trying to cheer him up and backing him up.
saf also tikam city liao saying there is no loyalty there.
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despite the fact that he joined our local rival, he was one of our top player(was he?) And like wat Bruce said, u cant expect to win anything at the first year of management.

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QUOTE(IcyDarling @ Dec 25 2009, 03:24 PM)
england partnered rooney with heskey. heskey was just like berbatov, supportive more than finish. I guess he must have good finishes then.


Added on December 25, 2009, 3:26 pm
despite the fact that he joined our local rival, he was one of our top player(was he?) And like wat Bruce said, u cant expect to win anything at the first year of management.
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that was too kind perhaps what he meant to say was "you can't expect to win anything at city" blush.gif
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planning to watch us play than the losers eh?? tongue.gif

because Man Utd players have more gifts to unwrap than the rest of premiership players..

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