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post Dec 7 2009, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(trdcelica @ Dec 6 2009, 05:45 PM)
All I can say is Matex is the easiest-to-paint emulsion paint in the market..The reason is the amount of powder is the most in Matex. Therefore, it is the easiest to paint..

Federal Paint..A company which doesn't really prioritize the quality..They might not have the right formula to produce paint..Enough said..

The market of paint is not the same as 10 years ago..One tip for you, try this method if you want to lower the price..Tell them(paint shop) that you asked from somewhere else(another paint shop) that they are selling at a cheaper price..Not too much la...Like the price they are giving is 100, you tell them you can get for like 95..But as far as I know, Satin Glo doesn't costs that much..less than 100..Do you mind telling me which shop you went?
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bro... can kindly tell more what the diffrent abt the paint market last time vs.now..
currently im confortable with this shop... all old timer seller since my grand dad till my parents get stuff here.

i dont think i dare to say this to them lah, most time i joke-joke korek some discount only..

that day, i waited more than 1hour plus for them to mix the paint. (dunno why never ask, but geram) i hang in & out the shop. suddently many customer, so sibuk until customer ask customer for price.. they style like a sparepart shop..

i went to PJ oldtown same row as UOB building, the raw got many pajak gadai wan. icon_rolleyes.gif







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post Dec 7 2009, 12:20 AM

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hi bro, waht about query by k_lilac above?

One of my main reasons for using Satin Glo/ Pearl paint is because I have kids - pearl paint = easy to wipe and clean. Is this correct ?
Does Jotun Strax Matt paint allow me to wipe the walls?

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post Dec 7 2009, 12:26 AM

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what a sunday .... some pictures for all...

so far this is my favrouite roller (recycle but performance best) got for rm5 each.
The green (2nd color) 1st coat.
this is how i keep my tools. jk icon_rolleyes.gif


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post Dec 7 2009, 02:49 AM

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I plan to DIY painting my new home also.

May i know what types of paint i need for
1) Interior wall
2) Plaster ceiling
3) Grill & gate
4) Exterior wall (those anti-heat?)

For interior, i prefer those paints that water resistant so i can use water to clean in the future, and if possible odorless also

Advisable all paint with 2-3 layers?
Any other materials/tools that i need so can make the finishing better?

Thanks smile.gif

This post has been edited by harrychoo: Dec 7 2009, 02:52 AM
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post Dec 7 2009, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(blasto @ Dec 7 2009, 12:26 AM)
what a sunday .... some pictures for all...

so far this is my favrouite roller (recycle but performance best) got for rm5 each.
The green (2nd color) 1st coat.
this is how i keep my tools. jk icon_rolleyes.gif
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Y do u keep ur thing inside fridge ? tongue.gif
Wat do u mean by recycle roller ? I tot every roller can be wash and use to paint different color of paint ? Am i rite ? laugh.gif

This post has been edited by cybersim2: Dec 7 2009, 09:44 PM
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post Dec 7 2009, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(cybersim2 @ Dec 7 2009, 09:40 PM)
Y do u keep ur thing inside fridge ?  tongue.gif
Wat do u mean by recycle roller ? I tot every roller can be wash and use to paint different color of paint ? Am i rite ?  laugh.gif
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lazy to wash bro.. that fridge already kong. (air tight so the paint will not dry) laugh.gif
the hardware fella told me boleh recycle. some roller bulu become lesser when wash. icon_rolleyes.gif



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post Dec 7 2009, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(k_lilac @ Dec 6 2009, 09:08 PM)
Thanks a lot for all the info here, trdcelica.

A friend of mine has recommended me to use Par paint.  What do you think about Par? 

One of my main reasons for using Satin Glo/ Pearl paint is because I have kids - pearl paint = easy to wipe and clean. Is this correct ?
Does Jotun Strax Matt paint allow me to wipe the walls?
thanks for your help!  smile.gif
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QUOTE(Chester @ Dec 7 2009, 12:20 AM)
hi bro, waht about query by k_lilac above?

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Don't know about Par, my house was painted with Joton strax & Jotun Majestic, for small stain, dirt, water colour, pencil can wipe but pencil, colour pencil, ball paint, marker pen sure CANNOT lar biggrin.gif .
my little twins girl are good artist rclxub.gif rclxub.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif


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I plan to DIY painting my new home also.

May i know what types of paint i need for
1) Interior wall
2) Plaster ceiling
3) Grill & gate
4) Exterior wall (those anti-heat?)

For interior, i prefer those paints that water resistant so i can use water to clean in the future, and if possible odorless also

Advisable all paint with 2-3 layers?
Any other materials/tools that i need so can make the finishing better?

Thanks
for what type of paint to use, pls refer HERE

got all info u want & DIY tips.

NOT to promote the ici brand, you can always opt for the equivalent range of paint, ie
premium interior paint: ici pearl glo vs jotun majestic vs nippon ??satin glo
ici pentalite vs jotun strax vs murabond
cheap interior paint : ici maxilite vs nippon matex vs jotaplast
exterior paint : jotunshield vs ici weatherbond vs nippon weathershield

my advice : always go for repute brand, avoid those kcc, pye, pasifc....... after all you will not save a lot & what u paid is what u get whistling.gif whistling.gif

This post has been edited by skng03: Dec 8 2009, 12:03 AM
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post Dec 8 2009, 09:07 AM

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My house door oredi been painted dark chocolate paint but the workmanship very poor. Think to repaint the door.
Do I need to sand/scrap off the old paint ?
What type I paint do I need to buy ? I think the original paint is oil based glossy paint.
I heard spraying is better but wat tool do I need ?
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post Dec 8 2009, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(cybersim2 @ Dec 8 2009, 09:07 AM)
My house door oredi been painted dark chocolate paint but the workmanship very poor. Think to repaint the door.
Do I need to sand/scrap off the old paint ?
What type I paint do I need to buy ? I think the original paint is oil based glossy paint.
I heard spraying is better but wat tool do I need ?
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my workmanship lagi teruk...
your door overlapping paint or uneven paint or dripping paint ?
can you update us with a picture of the door ?
(i think with picture, pros here can advise better)

spraying... you need a very powerfull compressor... the paint is very thick. icon_rolleyes.gif





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post Dec 9 2009, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(blasto @ Dec 8 2009, 04:27 PM)
my workmanship lagi teruk...
your door overlapping paint or uneven paint or dripping paint ?
can you update us with a picture of the door ?
(i think with picture, pros here can advise better)

spraying... you need a very powerfull compressor... the paint is very thick.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I think the door quality is poor, surface very rough. They haven't clean the door yet, full of cement stain/dusk. I oso headache now.. duno how to clean all the thing. rclxub.gif Anyone hire profesional cleaner to clean ur newly completed house ? hmm.gif How much to clean double story terrace house ?
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post Dec 10 2009, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(k_lilac @ Dec 6 2009, 10:08 PM)
Thanks a lot for all the info here, trdcelica.

A friend of mine has recommended me to use Par paint.  What do you think about Par? 

One of my main reasons for using Satin Glo/ Pearl paint is because I have kids - pearl paint = easy to wipe and clean. Is this correct ?
Does Jotun Strax Matt paint allow me to wipe the walls?
thanks for your help!  smile.gif
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1.Sorry bro, missed your post..Par Paint, a very good paint but it will be very hard to get in market due to their company's strategy..Quite hard to look for one with full range..

2. Pearl paint will make your uneven wall noticeable if you have one..and no, not only pearl paint can be cleaned, most of the premium paint can be cleaned..Yeah, Strax can be cleaned..

QUOTE(blasto @ Dec 7 2009, 01:19 AM)
bro... can kindly tell more what the diffrent abt the paint market last time vs.now..
currently im confortable with this shop... all old timer seller since my grand dad till my parents get stuff here.

i dont think i dare to say this to them lah, most time i joke-joke korek some discount only..

that day, i waited more than 1hour plus for them to mix the paint. (dunno why never ask, but geram) i hang in & out the shop. suddently many customer, so sibuk until customer ask customer for price.. they style like a sparepart shop..

i went to PJ oldtown same row as UOB building, the raw got many pajak gadai wan.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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1. There's nothing much for companies like Jotun and Nippon and etc..But there are some for KCC and ICI not to mention others..KCC has improved tremendously over the years and ICI has somewhat gone down a bit..There are more complains for ICI now whereas last time, ICI Dulux was known as the best quality paint..

and for me, usually mixing a can of 5L, it only takes 2-3 minutes..it won't take 30 minutes or an hour to mix a can of paint..maybe they were not serving you at that time but serving other customers...even a 20L paint, it only takes around 5 minutes to mix if using the shaker..


QUOTE(Chester @ Dec 7 2009, 01:20 AM)
hi bro, waht about query by k_lilac above?

One of my main reasons for using Satin Glo/ Pearl paint is because I have kids - pearl paint = easy to wipe and clean. Is this correct ?
Does Jotun Strax Matt paint allow me to wipe the walls?
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Yes, premium paint can be cleaned..

QUOTE(harrychoo @ Dec 7 2009, 03:49 AM)
I plan to DIY painting my new home also.

May i know what types of paint i need for
1) Interior wall
2) Plaster ceiling
3) Grill & gate
4) Exterior wall (those anti-heat?)

For interior, i prefer those paints that water resistant so i can use water to clean in the future, and if possible odorless also

Advisable all paint with 2-3 layers?
Any other materials/tools that i need so can make the finishing better?

Thanks  smile.gif
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Interior wall-all premium paint that i mention below can be cleaned..
all also quite odourless but KCC's products have some kind of fragrance smell..not smelly odour..

Shiny Pearl paint:
Jotun's Majestic Pearl Silk
Sissons Silk Glo
KCC Korevon Silk
Dulux Pearl Glo

Matt finish paint:
Jotun Strax Matt
Sissons Super Siscolux
KCC Korevon Ezy Clean
Dulux Pentalite

2. Normally, for plaster ceiling, a normal emulsion paint will do..below are some of the brands that I'd recommend

Pacific NewLite(a very new brand..and if you trust me, try to look for this brand..as far as I'm concern, it is as good as Maxilite although all the emulsion paint are almost the same..
Dulux Maxilite
Jotun Jotaplast
KCC Koreton plus
Sissons Masonry Emulsion paint
Nippon Matex

3. Grill & Gate
- Jotun Gardex, KCC Koramel, Dulux Gloss Finish, Sissons Tungolac

4. Exterior
- Jotun Jotashield 5 years
- Jotun Jotashield Extreme 8 years(2x heat-reflection)

Advisably, apply a coat of sealer and 2 coats of top coat/finishing coat but mostly people will apply one coating of sealer and one coating of top coat..
Use sprayer for best results but you'll need to have one..

QUOTE(cybersim2 @ Dec 8 2009, 10:07 AM)
My house door oredi been painted dark chocolate paint but the workmanship very poor. Think to repaint the door.
Do I need to sand/scrap off the old paint ?
What type I paint do I need to buy ? I think the original paint is oil based glossy paint.
I heard spraying is better but wat tool do I need ?
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scrap off if you want to repaint the whole thing..try to scrap a piece of the paint and bring it to any paint shop and ask them to look for that color for you..
Spraying is of course better but you'll need the paint sprayer..quite expensive if i'm not mistaken..usually not much painter have the sprayer..


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for what type of paint to use, pls refer HERE

got all info u want & DIY tips.

NOT to promote the ici brand, you can always opt for the equivalent range of paint, ie
premium interior paint: ici pearl glo vs jotun majestic vs nippon ??satin glo
ici pentalite vs jotun strax vs murabond
cheap interior paint : ici maxilite vs nippon matex vs jotaplast
exterior paint : jotunshield vs ici weatherbond vs nippon weathershield

my advice : always go for repute brand, avoid those kcc, pye, pasifc....... after all you will not save a lot & what u paid is what u get


I'm afraid that brands like KCC, PYE and Pacific produce better paint than some reputable companies...
just my two cents..

This post has been edited by trdcelica: Dec 10 2009, 11:01 PM
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post Dec 10 2009, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(cybersim2 @ Dec 9 2009, 09:37 AM)
I think the door quality is poor, surface very rough. They haven't clean the door yet, full of cement stain/dusk. I oso headache now.. duno how to clean all the thing.  rclxub.gif  Anyone hire profesional cleaner to clean ur newly completed house ?  hmm.gif How much to clean double story terrace house ?
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..if i were you, the problem here is making the poor door look nice & acceptable..
i would kau-kau clean with a mircofiber cloth, then scraper off the cement or debris ..
do this when door is dry & carefully, or else your scrapper will scrap off some door chunk. after scrap, then sand paper it, then smooth it. masking tape the knob... wolla
apply under coat (if needed) then just paint with brush or roller... no need spray wan lah..
doing the base is very important, take your time & afford. the end result reflect on it.

if you hire ppl to paint, they one shot will do all the cleaning for you..from toliet to back door yard, roof, tangki, etc.
make sure you hire the right fellers & better to be there to instruct & look2 see2.
if you not there they just whack wan.

if you look at the whole picture, i also pening dunno where to start to clean..
plan nicely, clean bit by bit, section by section. i normally start of with area less use then last is toliet. icon_rolleyes.gif









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QUOTE(trdcelica @ Dec 10 2009, 10:41 PM)
Interior wall-all premium paint that i mention below can be cleaned..
all also quite odourless but KCC's products have some kind of fragrance smell..not smelly odour..

Shiny Pearl paint:
Jotun's Majestic Pearl Silk
Sissons Silk Glo
KCC Korevon Silk
Dulux Pearl Glo

Matt finish paint:
Jotun Strax Matt
Sissons Super Siscolux
KCC Korevon Ezy Clean
Dulux Pentalite

2. Normally, for plaster ceiling, a normal emulsion paint will do..below are some of the brands that I'd recommend

Pacific NewLite(a very new brand..and if you trust me, try to look for this brand..as far as I'm concern, it is as good as Maxilite although all the emulsion paint are almost the same..
Dulux Maxilite
Jotun Jotaplast
KCC Koreton plus
Sissons Masonry Emulsion paint
Nippon Matex

3. Grill & Gate
-  Jotun Gardex, KCC Koramel, Dulux Gloss Finish, Sissons Tungolac

4. Exterior
-  Jotun Jotashield 5 years
-  Jotun Jotashield Extreme 8 years(2x heat-reflection)

Advisably, apply a coat of sealer and 2 coats of top coat/finishing coat but mostly people will apply one coating of sealer and one coating of top coat..
Use sprayer for best results but you'll need to have one..
Thanks for ur advise notworthy.gif

1) For interior wall, may i know what is the difference between Shiny Pearl and Matt finish?
2) For plaster ceiling do i need to apply a layer of sealer (or is it primer? whats the difference) as well?
3) Grill & gate, any 1st coating that u recommend for anti rusting if my steel is not galvanised?
4) Same need to apply sealer/primer layer as well?
5) Do I need to peel off my current paint 1st (i think dusty surface) before i apply sealer/primer?
6) How much roughly is the sprayer?
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Dec 11 2009, 01:44 AM)
Thanks for ur advise  notworthy.gif

1) For interior wall, may i know what is the difference between Shiny Pearl and Matt finish?
2) For plaster ceiling do i need to apply a layer of sealer (or is it primer? whats the difference) as well?
3) Grill & gate, any 1st coating that u recommend for anti rusting if my steel is not galvanised?
4) Same need to apply sealer/primer layer as well?
5) Do I need to peel off my current paint 1st (i think dusty surface) before i apply sealer/primer?
6) How much roughly is the sprayer?
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1. Shiny Pearl means that you'll see the paint on the wall shiny(kilat) or something like glossy..matt finish means the paint is matt or non-shiny/non-glossy..

2. Plaster ceiling, normally people use cheap emulsion paint..emulsion paint is also known as the cheapest paint..approx. 7L-RM30 and 18L-RM60..
So there is no need to apply any undercoat or sealer(primer).

3. Grill & Gate, preferably apply a coat of undercoat before applying the finishing coating..It's known as Undercoat for wood/metal..any paint shop will know when you tell them undercoat for wood/metal..

4. For old wall, apply a layer of sealer(primer) before applying the finishing coat.

5. If the paint is still on the wall and showing no sign of flaking off, then all you need to do is just wipe it with a damp cloth and then apply a coat of sealer. Or just hantam the finishing coat also can..
Of course if you want to scrap the current paint off, it brings more good than harm but you'll need to sacrifice a lil bit of time..

6. Sprayer..I'm not sure about it but you don't need a sprayer to paint your house..just use some good quality rollers and brushes...sprayers are for those professional painters who get a lot of jobs..
The sprayer alone might costs more than the paint for your whole house if i'm not mistaken..
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QUOTE(trdcelica @ Dec 11 2009, 02:30 AM)

6. Sprayer..I'm not sure about it but you don't need a sprayer to paint your house..just use some good quality rollers and brushes...sprayers are for those professional painters who get a lot of jobs..
The sprayer alone might costs more than the paint for your whole house if i'm not mistaken..
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sprayer are mostly for metal works... where even surface without traces of brush is needed and fast...

for wall, even the pros use rollers.....
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Dec 11 2009, 11:36 AM)
sprayer are mostly for metal works... where even surface without traces of brush is needed and fast...

for wall, even the pros use rollers.....
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yeah, but i still see some of the 'SKL' painters use sprayer to paint wherever they want...This only applies to those SKL painters aka some pro or pro wannabe..
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QUOTE(trdcelica @ Dec 11 2009, 08:15 PM)
yeah, but i still see some of the 'SKL' painters use sprayer to paint wherever they want...This only applies to those SKL painters aka some pro or pro wannabe..
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actually, pro or not pro, the main ingredient in painting is patience... you need to do it slowly and wait one layer to dry then paint another.....

I ask my myanmar worker to paint the wall.. teach him how to and the effect is the same as the "pros"

thing is difference if you are painting shallac for woods.. which need kung fu tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Dec 11 2009, 09:09 PM)
actually, pro or not pro, the main ingredient in painting is patience... you need to do it slowly and wait one layer to dry then paint another.....

I ask my myanmar worker to paint the wall.. teach him how to and the effect is the same as the "pros"

thing is difference if you are painting shallac for woods.. which need kung fu  tongue.gif
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memang pun..painting more or less also requires a bit of skills and shellac isn't something easy to paint..

Actually, shellac also not as hard as protective coating's paint..Take epoxy as an example, you'll need to paint very fast and must be ngam ngam finish on time..If not, prepare your paint to be thrown away..And once, I've a hardware customer who ordered around 10-15 sets of 4+1L Epoxy paint..and I don't know how clever she was..She went and mixed the hardener with the 4L epoxy for her customer and the next day her customer went to collect the paint..Then went back to his place, opened up the cans and what was inside was something like dried gum, totally dried up...How clever she was that I couldn't find a word to describe her..And the thing was she didn't even bother to ask how long will the epoxy dries up when mixed with the hardener...
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QUOTE(trdcelica @ Dec 11 2009, 09:37 PM)
memang pun..painting more or less also requires a bit of skills and shellac isn't something easy to paint..

Actually, shellac also not as hard as protective coating's paint..Take epoxy as an example, you'll need to paint very fast and must be ngam ngam finish on time..If not, prepare your paint to be thrown away..And once, I've a hardware customer who ordered around 10-15 sets of 4+1L Epoxy paint..and I don't know how clever she was..She went and mixed the hardener with the 4L epoxy for her customer and the next day her customer went to collect the paint..Then went back to his place, opened up the cans and what was inside was something like dried gum, totally dried up...How clever she was that I couldn't find a word to describe her..And the thing was she didn't even bother to ask how long will the epoxy dries up when mixed with the hardener...
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"kiang jiu ho... mai keh kiang" biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Dec 11 2009, 11:42 PM)
hokkien got a phrase to describe this

"kiang jiu ho... mai keh kiang"  biggrin.gif
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she also keh kiang liao..

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