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post Dec 1 2009, 06:40 PM, updated 5y ago

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Hi All,

any of u paint house recently? where did you purchase ur paint? is there any place to recommend with discount etc?

if you have cornice, do you use tape on the cornice to avoid it being paint with other color? will mask tape peel off paint on the cornice?
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post Dec 1 2009, 06:47 PM

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Go to hardware shop and buy if your paint usage is not more than 10 tins.

Normally contractor paint not so near to the border of the cornice. Leaving maybe 3-5 inches of space, and use the brush to paint back. I've seen some people using newspaper to cover the cornice, buts its a lot of work taping those cornices.

Use the white tape, as the tape adhesiveness is not so strong thus will not peel off the paint.
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post Dec 1 2009, 08:31 PM

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so i can do away the tape? just paint carefully at cornice area

say if i paint wall halfway..i leave it dry and went somewhere else..next day i continue painting the rest of wall that is not painted, will i see un-balance paint or stain of the earlier dried paint? dont know how to explain icon_question.gif
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post Dec 1 2009, 08:39 PM

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For fast painting, put those masking tape. Otherwise you need to carefully paint the border between the cornice and the wall.
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post Dec 2 2009, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(Chester @ Dec 1 2009, 08:31 PM)
so i can do away the tape? just paint carefully at cornice area
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Yes you can. You just have to paint very carefully and it takes a long time to do it if you decide to paint your whole house.


QUOTE(Chester @ Dec 1 2009, 08:31 PM)
say if i paint wall halfway..i leave it dry and went somewhere else..next day i continue painting the rest of wall that is not painted, will i see un-balance paint or stain of the earlier dried paint? dont know how to explain icon_question.gif
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Normally, this should not be a problem for paint contractor. If you never paint before, then it would be best to paint it all at once. You will have a hard time to have the correct mixture amount like your previous paint, and you will see one part white, and one part less white (if you paint in white)



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QUOTE(Chester @ Dec 1 2009, 08:31 PM)
so i can do away the tape? just paint carefully at cornice area

say if i paint wall halfway..i leave it dry and went somewhere else..next day i continue painting the rest of wall that is not painted, will i see un-balance paint or stain of the earlier dried paint? dont know how to explain icon_question.gif
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If your paint mixture is the same, then it shouldn't be noticeable even if there's a bit difference.
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post Dec 2 2009, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(Chester @ Dec 1 2009, 06:40 PM)
Hi All,

any of u paint house recently? where did you purchase ur paint? is there any place to recommend with discount etc?

if you have cornice, do you use tape on the cornice to avoid it being paint with other color? will mask tape peel off paint on the cornice?
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Mostly all paint price is standard, unless you buy 5-10 cans.
New catalog 2009 for Nippon & Dulux already out.
I normally buy at PJ old town, is best to buy at old timer shop, they know stuff better & can advise
better rather than ACE hardware fellers who say... nie ok. nie bagus craps..
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post Dec 2 2009, 04:31 PM

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Did u guy apply primer or sealer before u paint ? Izit necessary ?
How to patch up crack or nail hole ?
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post Dec 2 2009, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(cybersim2 @ Dec 2 2009, 05:31 PM)
Did u guy apply primer or sealer before u paint ? Izit necessary ?


sealer is for oudoor only...

primer not necesarily for indoor.. but you need few layers so it`ll look evenly

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post Dec 2 2009, 10:21 PM

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for new wall, alkaline resistant sealer is must, else your are wasting your expensive paint smile.gif
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post Dec 3 2009, 08:43 AM

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Wat if my new house oredi been painted white paint but I wan to paint other colour. The original paint is of poor quality type.. dusty n chaulky.
Need sealer or primer first ?
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post Dec 6 2009, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(cybersim2 @ Dec 3 2009, 09:43 AM)
Wat if my new house oredi been painted white paint but I wan to paint other colour. The original paint is of poor quality type.. dusty n chaulky.
Need sealer or primer first ?
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It is good that they painted it with cheap emulsion paint. For a new house, the dampness of the wall is still there and it'll taken around 24 months to dry up completely. The dampness cannot be seen using your bare eyes and you can only know that if the wall is damp with a device called protimeter. The reason why I said it is good is because the cheap emulsion paint has a lot of powder as you said it is chalky. And the damp wall can be dried up faster when you applied emulsion paint on it. For the powder to be absorbed.

Some people who might have a little knowledge about paint would suggest you to apply sealer, be it the solvent-based sealer or the water-based sealer. Like what blasto said above about the ACE Hardware. They hired sales person who are not so familiar with paints and they might just know which color is nice and which one isn't. People who knows about paint(with experience) will know that what I said above is right.
However, you might still opt for the premium matt emulsion(Pentalite for Dulux, Strax for Jotun and etc.) which has less gum than premium shining interior paint(Pearl Glo, Satin Silk, Majestic Pearl Silk). If you apply those shining paint, then you wall will most likely have something like water mark or damp mark due to its dampness. This is because the gum blocks the wall from being dried up. The same goes to sealer. If you apply sealer, the wall most likely won't dried up so fast or dry up later than usual.

Ok, if you want to change the colors, the cheap emulsion still have plenty of colors for you to choose.

If you want expensive paint, like what I mentioned above, you can still opt for the premium matt finishes.

My recommendation,

Cheap paint:
- JOTUN Jotaplast
- KCC Koreton Plus
- Pacific Newlite
- Sissons Masonry

Expensive Paint
- JOTUN Strax Matt
- KCC Koreton Ezy Clean
- Sissons Super Siscolux

Try not to choose ICI Dulux for it is overpriced and the quality has gone down since a few years ago.
And also try not to choose Nippon Paint for their quality is even worse than ICI Dulux and what I can say is the one of the worst paint is Nippon Paint.

Sorry for if I offenced some of you.

Feel free to ask me more.
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post Dec 6 2009, 01:43 AM

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bro trdcelica,actually im looking at nippon satin glo sweat.gif

about 110/tin for 4l++ i think..now i see ur comment nippon paint the worst..any recommendation what can i get with price similar to satin glo?

besides, my wall already got a yellowish wall..if i wanna paint something lighter, can i go straight to my paint? or do i need to paint smth else first?

and to use poly filla to fills to nails holes, what to use to smoothen the wall?

if i use tape during paint to avoid painting unwanted area, when i peel off the tape will it spoil the paint, ie stick out the paint too? can i tape cornice? or if my feature wall want 2 diff color, can i tape one side first?
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post Dec 6 2009, 03:09 AM

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QUOTE(Chester @ Dec 6 2009, 02:43 AM)
bro trdcelica,actually im looking at nippon satin glo sweat.gif

about 110/tin for 4l++ i think..now i see ur comment nippon paint the worst..any recommendation what can i get with price similar to satin glo?

besides, my wall already got a yellowish wall..if i wanna paint something lighter, can i go straight to my paint? or do i need to paint smth else first?

and to use poly filla to fills to nails holes, what to use to smoothen the wall?

if i use tape during paint to avoid painting unwanted area, when i peel off the tape will it spoil the paint, ie stick out the paint too? can i tape cornice? or if my feature wall want 2 diff color, can i tape one side first?
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1. OK, so you've chosen the premium paint..
My recommendation will be Jotun Strax Matt or Sissons Super Siscolux..
Strax Matt is around RM80 and S. Siscolux is around RM 70 per 5L..Prices may vary for different colors..

2. If your yellowish wall is not too dark, then it is okay..You just need to apply 2-3 coatings of the paint..Preferably 2 coatings if possible to cover up the yellowish wall..

3. If there are nail holes or some holes, just fill it up with polyfillas or puttyfillas...About the smoothing of wall, you'll need to have USG or scheme coats to smoothen the wall..

4. The adhesive of masking tape isn't too strong. Therefore, it is advisable to stick some masking tapes on the area where you don't want it to be painted. It won't peel off paint so easily. Yes, you can tape the cornice if you want but advisably you paint the edge of the wall with a 1.5inches brush or 1 inch brush..But still, that requires skills for not touching your cornice..

5. If your feature wall, you want two colors, then you can just paint one side first. And then paint the other side with the way you are doing it in No.4..DO NOT stick the masking tape on the first wall right after you've painted it. At least until it is thoroughly dried..But this, I recommend you do it with brushes..try not to use masking tape..






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post Dec 6 2009, 08:14 AM

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tks for the advise!! i think about masking tape is bcoz some is not paint..but emulsion...
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post Dec 6 2009, 01:21 PM

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guys...just to share, i started painting this room last night....

i been using matex rm35-45 (special colors)... value for money & easy to paint, no need mix water, whack 2 layer its good. (i update pictures if got time) for normal use its ok lah, worth painting.

then i try Federal Paint (this paint is a real pain in the ass) poor quality... its a waste of money & afford. the color is white & cost rm25 for 7liter. now i fully avoid this brand.

satin glo, nippon .. 1st time i try this paint, its totally different . The quality the color... the mood, unusual...
i buy 4 cans @ 5liter after discount (5% +)
i buy at the shop i know many years, last time i ask cincai doscount.
now i push then for discount, they give more.. (you have to push then they give)
ended i pay RM 400.00 .

this is the room picture im painting now, it will have 3 different color ... all satin glo.




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QUOTE(blasto @ Dec 6 2009, 02:21 PM)
guys...just to share, i started painting this room last night....

i been using matex rm35-45 (special colors)... value for money & easy to paint, no need mix water, whack 2 layer its good.  (i update pictures if got time) for normal use its ok lah, worth painting.

then i try Federal Paint (this paint is a real pain in the ass) poor quality... its a waste of money & afford. the color is white & cost rm25 for 7liter. now i fully avoid this brand.

satin glo, nippon .. 1st time i try this paint, its totally different . The quality the color... the mood, unusual...
i buy 4 cans @ 5liter after discount (5% +)
i buy at the shop i know many years, last time i ask cincai doscount.
now i push then for discount, they give more.. (you have to push then they give)
ended i pay RM 400.00 .

this is the room picture im painting now, it will have 3 different color ... all satin glo.
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All I can say is Matex is the easiest-to-paint emulsion paint in the market..The reason is the amount of powder is the most in Matex. Therefore, it is the easiest to paint..

Federal Paint..A company which doesn't really prioritize the quality..They might not have the right formula to produce paint..Enough said..

The market of paint is not the same as 10 years ago..One tip for you, try this method if you want to lower the price..Tell them(paint shop) that you asked from somewhere else(another paint shop) that they are selling at a cheaper price..Not too much la...Like the price they are giving is 100, you tell them you can get for like 95..But as far as I know, Satin Glo doesn't costs that much..less than 100..Do you mind telling me which shop you went?
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Thanks a lot for all the info here, trdcelica.

A friend of mine has recommended me to use Par paint. What do you think about Par?

One of my main reasons for using Satin Glo/ Pearl paint is because I have kids - pearl paint = easy to wipe and clean. Is this correct ?
Does Jotun Strax Matt paint allow me to wipe the walls?


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QUOTE(trdcelica @ Dec 6 2009, 01:36 AM)
It is good that they painted it with cheap emulsion paint. For a new house, the dampness of the wall is still there and it'll taken around 24 months to dry up completely. The dampness cannot be seen using your bare eyes and you can only know that if the wall is damp with a device called protimeter. The reason why I said it is good is because the cheap emulsion paint has a lot of powder as you said it is chalky. And the damp wall can be dried up faster when you applied emulsion paint on it. For the powder to be absorbed.

Some people who might have a little knowledge about paint would suggest you to apply sealer, be it the solvent-based sealer or the water-based sealer. Like what blasto said above about the ACE Hardware. They hired sales person who are not so familiar with paints and they might just know which color is nice and which one isn't. People who knows about paint(with experience) will know that what I said above is right.
However, you might still opt for the premium matt emulsion(Pentalite for Dulux, Strax for Jotun and etc.) which has less gum than premium shining interior paint(Pearl Glo, Satin Silk, Majestic Pearl Silk). If you apply those shining paint, then you wall will most likely have something like water mark or damp mark due to its dampness. This is because the gum blocks the wall from being dried up. The same goes to sealer. If you apply sealer, the wall most likely won't dried up so fast or dry up later than usual.

Ok, if you want to change the colors, the cheap emulsion still have plenty of colors for you to choose.

If you want expensive paint, like what I mentioned above, you can still opt for the premium matt finishes.

My recommendation,

Cheap paint:
- JOTUN Jotaplast
- KCC Koreton Plus
- Pacific Newlite
- Sissons Masonry

Expensive Paint
- JOTUN Strax Matt
- KCC Koreton Ezy Clean
- Sissons Super Siscolux

Try not to choose ICI Dulux for it is overpriced and the quality has gone down since a few years ago.
And also try not to choose Nippon Paint for their quality is even worse than ICI Dulux and what I can say is the one of the worst paint is Nippon Paint.

Sorry for if I offenced some of you.

Feel free to ask me more.
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Wow ! Very detail explaination. Thank you. You must be a profesional painter. thumbup.gif
1. May I know among the cheap paint u recommend, which one is the best ? I heard Jotun got a machine where we can mix the color.
2. Do I need to mix the paint with water? Someone told me 1 part of water to 10 part of paint. How to measure ah ? blink.gif
3. 5 liter paint can cover how many sqrft of wall ?
4. Any recommended masking tape that wont peel of the paint ?
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QUOTE(cybersim2 @ Dec 6 2009, 11:09 PM)
Wow ! Very detail explaination. Thank you. You must be a profesional painter.  thumbup.gif
1. May I know among the cheap paint u recommend, which one is the best ? I heard Jotun got a machine where we can mix the color.
2. Do I need to mix the paint with water? Someone told me 1 part of water to 10 part of paint. How to measure ah ?  blink.gif
3. 5 liter paint can cover how many sqrft of wall ?
4. Any recommended masking tape that wont peel of the paint ?
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First of all, you misunderstood..I'm not a painter actually...lol

1. I'll recommend Jotun's Jotaplast or Pacific NewLite..Pacific Paint is a newly incorporated company and to be frank with you, it's(Pacific Paint) emulsion paint is of one of the best quality in the market..
And yeah, Jotun indeed have the Multicolor Tinting Machine and from this machine, you can almost get every possible color in your mind. But for the cheap emulsion paint, only certain light colors can be mixed with the machine..And this also depends on which shop you buy from..Not all of the shops know how to mix cheap emulsion paint using the machine..
In fact, quite a lot of other companies also have this type of machine..
For example,
KCC Paint
Sissons Paint
ICI Dulux
Nippon

2. Yes, if the paint is concentrated, then you should add a little of water. The 1 part to 10 parts, I also confused edi. don't understand la..But it is advisable not to add too much of water and normally 5% is ideal..But some paint have different amount to dilute..For example, Jotun's Solvent-based Sealer(Cito Primer 09) can be diluted with about 50% of solvent. Sometimes, more than 50% and sometimes less than 50%..

3. 5L can cover approximately 10 sq. m..Some can cover less than that and some can cover more than that..But average, 10 sq.m..Gloss paint can cover more than that around 13-17 sq.m depending on the painter or the person who painted it..

4. I'm not that good in masking tape but as far as i know, any masking tape also won't peel off the paint...You can buy one masking tape and you'll know the adhesive isn't very strong. As far as I know, Sancora's masking tape also not bad..



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