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Forumer you are complaining against:

Item being sold/bought: OCZ DDR3 PC3-1066 SPECIAL OPS RM320

Original thread link: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1214814&hl=

Date of transaction: 11 November 2009

Details of the complaint :

last week , youliang call/ pm me to purchase the ram.
I getting sick tat day and my partner- yoongkeen mistaken to pack 2 pair or ram to post to the adress and i only realise this monday.

so we call the customer to get back one of the ram, but the customer said he outstation and his family received the parcel and will return to us.

2nd day, we call him again to ask for the return of the ram, He said we are sent wrong thing (suspose is 1333mhz but not 1066mhz ram).
after i checked i just found my thread give wrong description.



ok, fine. it is my mistake becoz copy paste from internet but not yet checked it.
we had ask the customer to return the ram so we can do refund with extra postage money.
but the customer refuse to do it and argue all is our fault and we need to pay for the lost (let say he buy another pair of ram from other sellers with higher price, we need to pay for the extra! WTF )

We had leave the last messsage to him to send back extra 1 pair of ram (which we sent extra) or 2 pair of ram (if he not satisfy with the goods), and we will bear for the shiping cost.

but he said : " I wil think about it ?!!?"


youliang, i know the receiver is ur fren, but you not yet reply my PM , please check with ur fren and get back to me asap.sorry fro any incovenience.


youliang's fren: we are not sent late the parcel, but skynet refuse to send to u. see the msg from skynet








This post has been edited by zhen^wei: Jan 8 2010, 09:32 AM

So u mean that the RM320 is for 1 stick and u xcidently send out 2 sticks? And u asked him back for the extra 1 stick he refused? If its like dat then.. wow so kia su that buyer..

the ram is 4GB - 2 units in one pack one.
my partner thought 2 pack - 4units. so he sent 2 pack to the customer

he refuse to sent back the ram, and somemore argue said we should replace with 1333mhz ram (but unlucky supplier no more stock and the price is so damn high now for rams ). and customer request we pay for the extra if he buy from other seller at RM400, we need pay him for RM80 . wtf.. this is wat kind of customer..

You have his address , just go and meet him ?

The buyer should return the extra sticks to the seller.
Return postage fee to be borne by the seller.
But beware the buyer might run away with the postage fee.

yes. shipping cost sure we will pay for it.
becoz it is our mistake


Lee Reng Kwan
97, Jalan SS 2/95,
47300 Petaling Jaya,
Selangor
016-9888 966

he is ignore and off my call now already
youliang. please assist


This post has been edited by zhen^wei: Nov 17 2009, 08:04 PM

Let's see if we could assist you in taking back the goods from him.

Edit: OK got it

This post has been edited by owikh84: Nov 17 2009, 08:08 PM

actually we are ready to visit him anytime.haha.

youliang is not the buyer i think. he is help is fren (the receiver) to buy the ram

Doesn't matter, as long as you track down any of them, one will bring to another for sure. Good luck bro!

hey.. i think my fren coudnt contact u cuz he is busy at penang...anyway i will tell him

Just solve this issue. At least giv TS updates. Either from u or the original buyer. Instead of just hang up like that. It dosent make sence at all. Even its TS friends fault of sending the extra ram. Everybody like's extra but not when people already tell about thier mistake. Hope this matter ends soon. Rams prices are hiking up. Really2 UP UP and away..

huh? open the thread can solve the issue? yeah i wan see it then.

first, when did the hell i said the parcel is late? i owes travel to poslaju n pick yhe parcel up myself. who da heck know u sent using skynet? im owes not at home n u expect me to wait whole day for it? first day they delay de to bad weather but i got 2 parcel received b4 i went out. i later on was busy, went office on saturday but they took out my parcel n dun wan get it 4 me. so i only got it on tuesday which i travel there again. y so messed up? thx u 4 not let me know bout the tracking code. N this is not ur fault that delay my cust order isn't it? Rite, fine.

The ur thread title is 'pc3-10666' previously. Come on la, u selling pc stuff n u dun noe pc3-10660 is actually ddr3-1333? Tats OMG my friend. N u tell me ur title correct? I double checked that ur thread writing pc3-10666 n oso ddr3-1333. Then now u sending me pc3-8500? So selling wrong item got no fault at all huh? Tat is misleading my friend. So wat now? U ask me return? I refused, I delivered the item due to already late drag on postage. I notice from the pic I took. If n if I knew it earlier, I can buy another ddr3-1333 I found previously with exact SAME price. Now I paid for wat I wan, u willing to sell at the price u wan. But instead u gave me wrong item! N now do u think I can get the correct item with ur GENEROUS rm320 refund?

Again, I said I will think bout it bcaz u r not tolerate. So fine, I think bout whether how many pair of ram to send back then. Not as u think like so serious. Wth. U r juz totally misunderstanding our convo on phone. Ur friend b4 in da phone agreed to exchange the ram 4 me, then u call me. Said no stock, then ok la. I wait until got stock n change with me then. I doesn't mean to ask u to top up to my buying from other seller leh. C'mon.

N now I nid to go collect the ram from client n post it bak. Petrol n time all free now is it? din even mention the bottlenecking of the ram to my system.

first. this is out mistake not to MSG/ PM ALL customers for the tracking number. for those forumers who pm me ask for tracking number, we will reply them on the spot.

well. wrong thing received, return back and u get ur refund.

and when we call u. there is more than 5 persons in my office.
We deny these statement :
Ur friend b4 in da phone agreed to exchange the ram 4 me, then u call me.
I doesn't mean to ask u to top up to my buying from other seller leh. C'mon.

Let me get this straight.. The seller put the wrong description on his thread. Thus sending the wrong item to the buyer..
Realize his mistake, informed the buyer, offered a refund and also will be paying for the postage..
All sounds reasonable..
Now, why wun the buyer return the item to the seller???

becoz the seller do mistake again and send 2 pair of ram. and the buyer keep 2 pair of ram but pay for one pair.

I thought he only send it wrong once.. The first time he send the wrong one, and not only send one wrong one send two wrong RAM

is our fault if we post wrong description.
the main problem is now we asked u to post back another extra pair of ram. (which u not use it)
u paid only for 1 pair of ram, but we send u two pair. now u want to get 2 pair of ram but only paid 1 pair ram price??
the postage we will bear it.

second thing, we put the statement wrongly,fine. we already asked u to post back 2 pair of rams to us.
we will fully refunded u the price and the postage fees..

come on bro, dun mix up with two things
1st: is our problem if we post wrong description, and u get wrong items, fine. post back the items to us and we refund u with the postage fees.

2nd: u paid for 1 pair ram price, but we send u two pair, we already ask u post back and we bear the postage fees. u not receive our call and refuse to do so..now u want to get 2 pair of ram but only paid 1 pair ram price?? doesnt this make sense?

This post has been edited by zhen^wei: Nov 18 2009, 12:36 PM

So you are saying when seller is selling you wrong spec of 1066Mhz instead of 1333Mhz, then you are eligible to keep the extra pair of Ram as a compensation? Get to the point, no need to drag all the way....

If you feel seller should cover so called
1. Trouble caused
2. Ur assumption of getting high performance Ram @ RM320 4GB Kit 1333Mhz
3. Petrol
4. Bottlenecking issue
5. Courier fee for sending back

Just name the price here...... Make it short ~ settle it fast & efficient ~ no need waste resource for both party

This post has been edited by lingloong: Nov 18 2009, 12:49 PM

well since u already admit ur mistake i think if u give him a pair of 1333 ram which both of u have agreed on then he would just return u the ram. it isnt fair for him to just giv u back n then get the refund. think of the time n petrol he used to collect n send back the ram..the hassle he has to go through to get the ram back from his client.. since u posted the wrong thing on ur thread u as th seller should be responsible enough to fulfil what u posted up on the thread n not just simply giving a refund. think from the buyer side n its really unfair.

wait, who's the real offender now? youliang or rkwan67 ?? Anyway, its not ethical to take advantage of seller's mistake.. the offender (whoever he is) should return the item(s).. If the offender wants to claim postage, petrol, whatever it is, just pm TS and settle it peacefully..

come on, don't tarnish your good name for the sake of one pair of RAM.. not worth it..

yeah..u guys drag dis 4 noting..juz do wat fenzodahl512 suggest..

The hassle of petrol and time do not worth the extra pair of RM320 aren't it? Unless you telling me you traveled from Skynet JB to Skynet Penang, then you make a return trip.

The point that are the main concern now is one pair of the ram is not owned by you, and you refused to return the pair that you have not paid. For the mistake that zhen^wei make, that is another matter, don't involve the second pair into the argument.

For the ram that you had paid, seller and buyer can have an agreement here

a) buyer send back 2 of the ram, seller cover the cost incurred. Unless buyer are kiasu, say time and petrol is very expensive cost RM30 (which only idiot and greedy person do that) Reasonable charge can be taken into consideration as seller made a mistake.

b) wait until seller had the ram you wanted, and both cover each other cost.

It is not reasonable for you to asked seller to fork out another RM80 to help you buy the ram you wanted. That is daylight robbery / extortion.

Bottlenecking your CPU ain't a crime. Get a life. It don't spoil any of your hardware. If you deny my statement, you might as well say 80% of PC user are risking their CPU? That reason is just lame.

As simple as that, nobody asking you to return the item thru Skynet. You stated you always travel to Pos Malaysia to collect parcel. Why don't take the initiative to return it?

This post has been edited by a13solut3: Nov 18 2009, 01:53 PM

Yeah it's not fair for the petrol and hassle, do your "friend" consult with seller regarding the cost involved? I was only noticing the buyer statement "Let me think 1st weather want to return back the pair or not" & your statement (bold part) ~ Clearly he/you think/want to fork ways to get the compensation (free pair) due to seller mistake ~ simple fact, seller mistake doesn't cost the extra pair, do the math ok?

You point out the "unfair" issue here, did you make any justification for you to entitle the claim? What is your thinking that this deal should be conceded as FAIR? From your statement now, clearly you want to take advantage of seller's mistake (prove me wrong with all my assumption)

Ohh ok.. The seller made a mistake, admitted it and asked the buyer to resend only one extra RAM that he posted by mistake. The Buyer in turn citing extra cos inferred refuse to resend th extra RAM back to the seller, even though the seller is willing to reimburse the buyer...
Well i thunk better avoid selling anything to both of this joker as i think they are trying to rip the benefit of this buyer mistake. Arrogant buggers... "Let me think 1st weather want to return back the pair or not"

1st Post


This post has been edited by lingloong: Nov 18 2009, 02:39 PM

jz return the ram to the seller lar..wat so hard..postage he also will refund u...u so poor until petrol money also dun hv have to take from seller?

seller got wrong but he edi very responsible to settle the whole case.

youliang, rkwan67 :
return the parcel last day by tomorow (thursday). a report police had been made this morning as backup and tomorow before 4pm an inspector will visit to ur PJ address. dont try to think i am kidding. i had no time to drag this drag that, return the 1 -2 pairs of ram, u can get the refund on RM320+postage or postage if 1 ram return.

btw, i forgot to mention something.
when yoongkeen call u for first time. u did said the "ram" do not have any problem in ur client PC. so why u said the ram is bottleneck in ur system ? are u using one unti at ur client and u use another unit of ram. or ur client use 1 pair and u stole another pair of ram from me ?

easy as that just get the buyer wat he paid for which is the 1333 ram and he wil post both of the wrong units back to u..im sure the buyer does not want to take that extra ram but just get what he is suposed to get which is one unit of the 1333 ram.the holding of the extra ram is for the buyers safety that the seller would really send him the proper ram

WOW.. you changed your tune quite fast.. At first you say it's not fair for the buyer to post it back to the seller.. Not u say the buyer is holding on for insurance??
Its obvious to me the buyer trying to manipulate one small error to his advantage

we had decided to refund for the current ram and u can get it from other seller.
there is price increase for ddr3/ddr2 , and even we also not able to get any ddr3 ram stock for now.

tomorow we wil visit ur fren in PJ for sure

This post has been edited by zhen^wei: Nov 18 2009, 04:37 PM

and 1 thing to add.
when i call youliang freind at first time, he said he in penang that time, he haven saw the ram but he already asked his sister to go PJ skynet office to take the ram.
and i talk to him that i send one more extra pair of ram to him and ask him to return back to me, he said ok, and asked his sis to go pos office later on to post back to me.

the next day when i called him , then he told me we send wrong ram, bottleneck ur system..bla bla bla,..

Is OBVIOUSLY now u are taken advantage of our mistake, stolen a pair of ram of us and refuse to post back. and give us many excuses.



This post has been edited by yoongkeen: Nov 18 2009, 05:16 PM

Seller:
Chill bro.... Give him 1-2 days more. Maybe he's busy or got other thing to do I'm not try to siding anybody. We as a seller, should give some room as well. He's making fuss bout the hassle. So IMO, refund(RM320) + courier + RM15(Petrol+Hassle) would be fair enough to shut his mouth up. Nothing more than that. And with this kind of attitude (buyer), it's a hard luck anyway


Buyer:
Bout the "bottleneck" issue, I'm loled Super lame joke. Put urself in seller's shoes & have some dignity please. If you don't want to return the extra pair, do you think how much pair seller need to sell to cover it back? Both you and your friend are lowballers with lame excuses. Stop the crap ok? You want to keep the extra pair for insurance? Just send the god damn Ram back and get your refund back....

This post has been edited by lingloong: Nov 18 2009, 05:33 PM

eh, very simple

you ordered ONE stick of RAM.

people mistakenly sent TWO sticks of RAM.

what's so difficult in returning the ONE piece of RAM?

as for the mistake in the RAM speed rating, let the seller settle it for you.

the seller is trying to help resolve the entire matter, don't make simple matters difficult.

and buyer. i am challenge u show me any PM message said that the ram is 1333mhz

This post has been edited by zhen^wei: Nov 18 2009, 05:57 PM

in what way is he responsible?

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Added on November 18, 2009, 10:42 pmwell what if the buyer already send back the ram n the seller does nothing about the other ram?since he could even do such mistake to send 2 unit how do u expect the buyer to trust the seller?a buyer would need some assurance that his ram would be solved...

This post has been edited by youliang: Nov 18 2009, 10:42 PM

seller wanna refund u full+postage,that is what i call responsible!
why wanna continue this war here?
send it back,get your refund and that's it
if he didn't refund u,just drop by his shop and get it over with.

This post has been edited by lhongwuh: Nov 18 2009, 10:45 PM

Let see... Admitting the mistake... Correcting the mistake... Offer for a refund and reimbursement..
If that's not responsible then you need to have a new dictionary dude.

lol..not for me. for me a responsible seller should sell the goods which he advertised n at that price.not just refund. even in supermarkets if there is a price error they wil honor the price that is advertised for that customer and then change the error.

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Added on November 18, 2009, 10:56 pmohya do remember that not everyone has a car.

This post has been edited by youliang: Nov 18 2009, 10:56 PM

it's ok.
PDRM got car and zhenwei did mention they will be visiting tmr.
good luck~

U Just An Ethical Buyer.The Ram Is Not Ur Belonging.Just Return It Back.It's Just A Misunderstanding.

http://m.gizmodo.com/site?sid=gizmodo&pid=...LYN%3D5305933

Talk so much no use, it's consider stealing already.

seller trying frame buyer by sending more ram?

actually buyer no wrong, this is wat human born for, he just a noob or never study moral before. dun blame him. he dare to compare a large amount of LCD monitors with a ram, like comparing iraq war and 2 ppl fighting. no use to argue with him, leave him to polis

[quote=ubeyou,Nov 18 2009, 11:47 PM]
actually buyer no wrong, this is wat human born for, he just a noob or never study moral before. dun blame him. he dare to compare a large amount of LCD monitors with a ram, like comparing iraq war and 2 ppl fighting. no use to argue with him, leave him to polis

[/i was just trying to give an example. . what did u mean by this is what human are born for?

My GOD how young are you???
How irresponsible and inmature can you be.
This kind of people will make trading on lowyat.net goes to tank in the future..
All this can be solve by just returning something that you didn't want in the first place..
Honoring a lower price and selling a wrong item is a whole different thing..
honoring a lower price is where seller sell an item on a price that he/she have stated wrongly.
Your case, you are not accepting a product, which you do not want anyway.
you try going to a store and say they sell you the wrong stuff and ask for correction.
And tell them you are not returning the item .. "You will think about it first"
See how long it takes for them to kick you out on your ass..
My God.. we are dealing with a child here....
Lets start a list of people not to sell to and put this joker on top of the list..

We are here looking for a good deal on stuff.. So Let just deal honestly..
Let it be a mistake by the seller or the buyer. Everything can be solved by just a taking and giving..
And he had the balls to suggest they are being framed..

This post has been edited by toekong: Nov 19 2009, 12:26 AM

yup i am young but i did not get into any problems with my previous few hundred sales. and btw there is no age limit for sellers ok? anyway let the police settle it then

人之初，性本恶.
you know what's mean.
there is much more examples about ethic., read yourself.

the time polis settle and you will be like this

http://yltan.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2...petting-zoo.jpg

nice blog btw, you're not poor until you can't sponsor your friend petrol.

lol at buyer and seller. But seriously,

@buyer youliang u should just urge them to compensate u by giving discount price for future sales. Instead of holding onto something which is not yours and making stupid reply here. Whatever your reason may be, but that is thievery

@seller. so many mistake in one sale??? my goodness, are u really serious with ur sales thread or not? I really hope u will visit his house by tomorrow (which i highly doubt u will), the way it goes thats the only way to settle this dispute.

i agree with this statement( Blue colour)coz seller oso have to responsible for mistake,the is alot of thread like this and all seller have to responsible for it,why this 1 reverse????can some 1 explain.

when you have make a mistake,you must responsible for it,not becoz you are so and so,then you are diff,send buyer what you state in you product description with the price you state there,and buyer you don't have the right to have 2 where you only paid for 1

and my statement is

TS open a thread to sell a product, and seller find that the selling price is way below market price for that particular model and spec,so buyer decide to buy it,and as LYN's T&C,Buyer bank in the amount of money to seller as what seller state in the thread for that item state in the thread,but seller send a item whitch diff from the item the seller state in the thread.

Ok,If this is done by a new bee,what would we call it?????????????????????????????????????????????????CONCASE Right????????


so when a young guy and a old guy kill a human,it still murder,no diff

and police can't do anything to buyer coz buyer don't cheat/con/steal nor rob the item from the seller,it was seller who send to him,and buyer did paid an amount to seller,this is not criminal,not under police punya hal la.and the seller did send something diff from what buyer paid for,this is concase,Police punya hal.

This post has been edited by TT lim: Nov 19 2009, 05:39 AM

Seller: Should do a full refund since he sold the wrong RAM even if the bottleneck issue is fake and that it works fine. If buyer wants 1333 MHz RAM, he must get 1333 MHz RAM, you must honor it, nothing less.



Buyer: Should return the extra RAM. Stop making excuses as you are digging your own grave. Regarding that link :

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/13/bestbuy.m...rss_mostpopular

Same issue but in the end Best Buy did not owe ANYONE for that RM 9.99 HDTV. It was an honest MISTAKE.

So please use your common sense and stop letting GREED make you irrational.

Shame of u "youliang".

Things can make it easy u still want to drag so far..Wat a kind of attitude u brought up from your life..

bro, sister,

at the begining. we are not selling 1333mhz ddr3 ram. this is 1066mhz. as stated in title.
i never realise the description there is wrong.

when he deal with me. I just can recall he is looking for OCZ spec ops 4GB which RM320 special edition.

there is 2 type of special ops.
OCZ DDR3 PC3-10666 Special Ops Edition
OCZ DDR3 PC3-8500 Special Ops Edition

This is my mistake to copy paste wrong things. but we had know it is 1066mhz ram when we ordered it.

If our customers had problem with the product, received wrong things (different with they order), of coz they can return to me instead of ask me "bear for the higher cost of ram" and send them the 1333mhz ram. please take note, the ram price is up every day, every week. and same ram the market value is more than RM380-400.

When the buyer want to buy our ram is becoz our price is damn cheap (the stock is ordered before the price up), and other rams included 1066mhz or 1333mhz won't get at RM320 am i correct ?

see you today. Good luck kid.

proceed with police report....
then just let them settle it with u..
just make sure u kept all d sms, pm or a copy of ur receipt and payment...
good luck zhen wei...

i really want to see if the police really do something about it..
that will be the joke of the day.

dont think zhen wei able to honor such thing for you...online seller all start with small business fund...if they never mentioned about the honor scheme in their page, you also cant do anything.

haha ok..i'll tell my friend about it. im not the buyer.

Wahhh......like this also must bring irrelevant ideologies...

I'm not on any of the dispute sides here, but what bugging me is why on earth that extra pair of rams isn't returned?? The seller has agreed to provides expenses for the Courier, then why is it so hassle to just send the thing and get it over with??

Oh ya wait, I read something about petrol money, time, toll, bla bla bla....

To whom who had mentioned the above, lets make it this way,

Seller prints another invoice, sends it to you and are you ready to pay for the additional pair?

And just say when you refuse to pay the invoice and decide to send the ram back, the seller said: "I have no time to check your delivery because it cost me my time of waiting for the delivery, further more I have to be at a certain places (assuming not the address that is posted to), I have no time to check for it nor do I have to spend petrol money just to check if the sent item is correct."

Would the above statement sounds fair?

I don't think so, but people are different....

When seller overcharge something that you bought, you call em a liar, cheater, conman, racial based 'man' all over the thread or forums, but when the seller has put it nicely that he would bear the charges of returning the ram, would it be appropriate to answer something like: "Let me think 1st?", "Its seller fault to send the wrong specs", bla bla bla...

If not stock, just return everything in a good order the way you open it and ask for reimbursement of your purchase....

If you want to keep, then pay! Simple...

Talking more in here doesn't change the fact that the buyer is intolerant and is happily keeping something that is not rightly belong to him....

should put a dispute tag on them eh.

Get your friend (buyer) to read this thread, rather than you telling him what is going on in this thread. U might be twisting the fact on him and simply adding more fuel to this flaming dispute

the buyer is using seller's posting mistakes & extra rams sent as a ransom to gain no matter what --> DDR3 1333Mhz @ RM 320...

sometimes we as sellers do make mistakes in writings the specs & pricing of the stuffs...but to use these excuses for not accepting product returns & refunds solution..that is greedy my fren...

Yes, I agree with this, we are human merely do mistake always even it is small mistakes. To those buyer, please return the RAM, or your name will be blacklisted... not only by seller but other seller as well.

zhen^wei, please remove your first post caps one... looks ugly...

oh okay then i shall just remain silent till it is solved

dude tell your friend, the ram reserved to me. returns it back. Due of the ram, the whole system i ordered delayed.

due to the seller mistake my friends client system is also affected so ur not the only one

Again want to bring up the "bottleneck" issue? Cmon bro, you better stop those craps, only tarnish and humiliating yourself. Additional effort can ask your so called friend to settle once and for all. He's being silent from the 1st post in this dispute tread

bro, ur client is using a pair of the ocz ram or just a pcs of the pair ram???
and when i call ur friend at first time, ur friend did said his client pc sytem is no problem.
is only ur fren system problem.

now i dunno whether u are use 1 pcs of the ram and other pcs of ram u use in ur client pc..
or u use 1 pair of the ram and other pair which u not paid in ur client pc???
but now we almost confirm ur fren is using one pair of the ram and his client is using another pair of ram which didnt paid.
and give all the craps explanation bla bla here.

better ask ur fren show up and explain here.

This post has been edited by yoongkeen: Nov 19 2009, 08:27 PM

THANK FOR U ALL. kacau me on my whole trip! i juz got bak n now i got into the case.

:alrite, my bad for shooting u. sorry: when did i say i using 2 pairs of ram? when did my p35 board can use DDR3? i juz said the ram bottlenecking my client pc as i tot it was suppose to be 1333mhz, but due to Zhen Wei miscommunication with his stuff, n there is few times n only once, i got it only running on 1066mhz now.. pity ur seller that buying 1066mhz ram to run on their system. for me, 1066mhz is damn slow for my client pc.

n i noticed that.. all forumer posting here doesnt read this thread properly. as if they r all blind.. din read properly and flaming ppl without proper reason. i was laughing all the way on how u all posting. but too bad, couldnt reply as im on trip.

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Added on November 19, 2009, 8:27 pmkeep ur mouth shut man. bottlenecking is a issue. u r told that u buying a 1333mhz ram, but in da end, got a 1066mhz instead. so where is the extra speed went for the price i paid?

it doesnt make sense that rm320 can buy a 1333mhz ram? so wat? i din force u to put rm320 as a price tag. Cmon.. u enjoy selling me rm320 WITH correct information n correct item. both of us got the surplus.

now instead of 1333mhz, my client system running 1066mhz. so wth is this? ask him to change bak to 1333mhz for me. Seller gave me all craps reason n doesnt wan to exchange! is that fair as a buyer?

C'mon.. think about urself!

This post has been edited by rkwan67: Nov 19 2009, 09:08 PM

im really pity u my dear.. but he is still selling it as PC3-10666 rather than PC3-8500.

just return the 2 set of rams...obtain ur refund..reverse the deal...then buy again the new one at other sellers / places / LYP etc..seller get back his stocks..u get back ur RM 320++..case settle...

So seller do no need to bear the responsibility in posting wrong item. rather.. juz simply OFFER buyer choice rather than listening to buyer suggestion.
time still goes no matter wat man.. if u did not post the wrong item, i rather pay my money for better ram than this sucking 1066mhz ram. especially with wrong infomation mislead customer.

the funny part is, seller admit is their fault. but then, show no responsibility over it. instead, sue me for stealing his ram? OMG!! im on trip and u expect me to fly back to KL and post ur ram huh? my ticket rm78 only. pay me that n i can return it to u on tuesday.

not i dun wan to return,but im away.

everyone here is twisting the fact WITHOUT reading the thread properly. in da end, Seller is keep on *cursing* by saying the word *F.U.C.K* while calling me trying to BARGAIN. okie, bargain with the fcuk word?

bro yeah yeah.. can u sell me a OCZ Special OPS RAM 1333mhz at RM320 per pair? i nid 2 pairs of it.. stock ready money ready.

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Added on November 19, 2009, 8:45 pmthe refund can cover all the cost to buy another new pair of ram? since is seller fault to post wrong information n mislead customer. so why cant i get the stock that he posted? i buy the ram because the seller posted it up and show that it is 1333mhz ram! or else, i lessen my enjoyment n buy a pair of 1333mhz ram from lowyat (even though is little bit higher price, but still cheaper than the current market price) oso better than buying from him man.. so much hassle caused to me.

if he got the info correct, i ignore it and buy from other seller another pair of 1333mhz ram. then no problem from me. when i buying anything, i got the enjoyment of spending my money to get the things i wan.

last week might be able to get 1333mhz good pair of ram at around rm360- rm380. now due to seller fault AGAIN, i only able to buy another pair of 1333mhz ram at rm440. who bare me the cost of that rm60 and travel all the way to lowyat again?

he admit, but he continue what he is doing wrongly.

This post has been edited by rkwan67: Nov 19 2009, 08:45 PM

Ok, seems like rkwan67 has been away, so that explains why he could not return the item on time.

Honestly speaking, what legal action could be taken against rkwan if, say he doesn't want to return both the RAMS? Honestly, I think the law will side the consumer. Let's twist the situation, what if rkwan67 accidentally breaks both pairs of RAMS upon receiving it? Do you think the law will ask him to refund you that extra pair of RAM?

What if this transaction has been an over the counter transaction in your shop? How would you ask the buyer to refund? You are taking advantage over the fact that this is an online environment, the fact that you know who your buyer is. What if it has been a consumable like a printer ink?

Btw, I'm curious, you lodged a police report? I would love to see what was reported

Anyway, it seems like rkwan is unhappy over the fact that he missed an opportunity to buy the RAM he wanted at RM360/380 back then. He bought the RAM from you at RM320 thinking it's a bargain, but due to TS seller, he lost the opportunity to get the RAM at the price he wanted. That is his opportunity cost.

If seller wants to provide an amicable solution, a win-win situation, rkwan just return both the RAMS and, zhen_wei why not source another RAM that rkwan wanted, and sell to him at your cost price or RM320 (fine, make it RM360/380 which was the price he thought he could get from other seller), whichever is higher?

zhen_wei, you are a reputable seller here, seeing the drastic actions that you take against your buyers for your fault is doing no good to your reputation.

Just my 2 cents, please don't flame me.

This post has been edited by karhoe: Nov 19 2009, 09:26 PM

so rkwan67, what action you wanted to take now?

give me bak the ram the seller posted. i will happily return u the ram u sent wrongly to me.

I see no CON case

I only see one inferior complex seller making mistakes and not dealing with it calmly and properly.

I also see a buyer who is frustrated and trying to protect his own interest.

Honestly,nobody except the buyer and seller is in better contact than what is posted here. Buyer claims that seller f**k him on phone conversation and seller claims that buyer does not want to cooperate.

Which buyer and seller does not want to protect their own interest? Both side is at disadvantage and wrong at the same time.

Since seller did a police report I do not see it as resolving issue anymore. Let police(law) decide

the case consider settled already. since the kid already promised return back 2 pair of ram to my office tomorow and exchange with 2X 2GB ddr3 1333mhz value ram (corsair)

cheers everyone, he is still kid, forgive him.

I see case settled. Win win situation for both seller and buyer i guess

Thumbs up, that's the way to go

we should forgive u not him.

Wow whats with that? Seriously instead of talking nicely you shoot someone that way?

~ sory for my rude words ~

This post has been edited by zhen^wei: Nov 19 2009, 09:33 PM

conclusion: kid wins. adult lose.

Honestly, you should give him that OCZ 1333Mhz, not Corsair

so everyone think is the fair to me? if yes, then i go ahead.

seller fault, but buyer bear the responsibility of his fault (wrong info posted).

shud i forgive him for all his miscommunication within his company, talk foul language, wasting my time? n now i got to travel to get the ram back n VISIT him at HIS office to get MY ram. :thumbs up:

so now, i tot of using my money getting a better ram for my core i5. instead using my money on better ram, now i got a value ram. run a value ram on core i5 is totally wasting my money n time. everyone know core i5 is HP system n using a value on it? damn clever!

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Added on November 19, 2009, 9:43 pm@zhen^wei

WAAA!! HECK!! I DIN EVEN SAID THAT N U SAID I GOT NO MATURITY AT ALL? good good.. u wan to see ur ram back o not wan?

This post has been edited by rkwan67: Nov 19 2009, 09:43 PM

Now you got two options

1) Full refund from him and get your OCZ 1333 from somewhere else, albeit at a higher price

2) Demand him to honor the sales, and give you OCZ 1333Mhz, or at least sell to you at COST price. (nothing to lose what)

you guys could even meet up at the police station to exchange the ram instead of going to HIS shop which is far away. (well if you are satisfied with what he is offering you)

This post has been edited by youliang: Nov 19 2009, 09:47 PM

if he is really so unreliable seller.. i seriously take my own money to top up for my client man! away from this kind of seller.

but if he really dun wan tolerate to give ocz, so wat? beat him ah? kenot wad. talk rude ah? im not that kind of lock-up fella.

so kids lose adult win? lol.

nice signature u have. i saw my big name there. thank you.

It is ok, and wont' affect my business at all.. btw, i starting my business when i was ur age.
when i saw rkwan67, i dono how to speak to u at all. tat's why i prefer talk to ur sister today to judge the issue.

after i do the report, the inspector told me, why not we write he taking the thing that "not belong to him" so the officer can
straight away take action against it. well, i know you too young and try to settle with you before i take 3rd action.

i stil remember what u write in SMS say :"so ? what are u going to do today ? not come my house already ?PDGM no car ? " this had challenge my patient and sorry for the rude words.

going to close the thread already. have a good day everyone.

youliang, rkwan67,
dude, study hard, prove to ur family u will get them proud one day. but not involve in this kind of police case.
if u have potential in IT field then put efford on it. one day u will become successful person.

well, you promoted my name for a few days ,so now im just promoting your name back =). and no it is not to affect your business or what.

Aiyo, you also 'promoted' them in your signature, it is only normal they retaliate with a similar signature, whichever party started it first.

Anyway, do you have any problem giving him OCZ 1333Mhz, or at least sell to him at your cost price, surely you have nothing to lose right?

i agreed.. anyhow is TS fault to post up the wrong item.. n even refused to take the responsibility.

I'm curious..can we see what did you reported to the police?

So far from what I see,you sent him wrong stuff so I am just curious how can police officer say "taking the thing not belong to him" when it actually belongs to him by law.

The issue of "taking" does not even arise here, would you mind uploading the scanned police report? Would love to see it, well basically rkwan needs to know what has been lodged against him.

bro. i am not say he canot put my name in his signature.
the difernet in price not RM20-30. i did said compensate him RM50 with my personal money tonight if he able to pass back 2 pair of ram to me.
well. we already agree to exchange with value ram corsair and ddr3 1333mhz (even it is higher cost than the ocz ram he keep)
we already do the best to solve this issue. sorry we not able to exchange with ocz spec ops 1333mhz ddr3 ram.
and we already found out why we will do the mistake :


this is my mistake not yet check properly.

Hmm, compensate him RM50? That means you are willing to refund him RM320 + 50, why not just give him OCZ 1333 that he asked for, that he paid for? If the cost price is higher than RM320 + 50, offer him a deal to top up la

aiyo.. he like so purposely.. i told him the ram at cheras now. he told me to get the ram back by tonight for him.. that is totally insane. night time travel to ppl house and take the ram out from client pc?

Relax la bro, just wait for zhen_wei to reply, make it clear what you want once and for all.

So if zhen_wei give you back OCZ 1333 that you asked for, you will return him both the RAM, that's all right?

So now we just see if zhen_wei is agreeable to this.

This post has been edited by karhoe: Nov 19 2009, 11:31 PM