see the word 'good' in there?
i havent yet been impressed with kyrgiakos.

in that sense, we also got alot of strikers.
kuyt, babel, torres, voronin, ngog and i guess gerrard can be placed in that list too.

so why would we need another striker?

You know, after reading the strikers you mention, it just backs my claim that we really need a good striker with Torres.
Kuyt is sometimes ineffective and inconsistent in the support role. Torres now injured. And Gerrard cant link up with Torres without a good midfield, so he has to be in midfield to feed the ball. And dont get me started on the other 3.

I dont see why Agger, Skrtel and Carra shouldn't be in the 'good' defenders list.

This post has been edited by visionary1993: Nov 11 2009, 06:37 PM

Krygiakos is at his 30 and it takes a longer time for someone as old as he is to adapt to english football.Plus, he is just a backup anyway.

And if you put in Babel, Kuyt and Gerrard, you are not solving the problem.You are just moving the problem from striker department to midfield department.In that sense, we have to buy someone to put them at midfield again.What's the difference then?

Agger is good wat..

Carra still got a few more years in him.

I guess we're covered for a while.. at least till end of season.

Striker? Sell all beside Ngog.. buy one on december... pacheco and nemeth will be home soon.

the point is that we have enough backup in those areas with players able to cover diff positions but not enough money to buy good ones.
any dumbass would know we wont play with 6 strikers up front and no midfielders anyway.

the thing is, our back-up is not good enough to be back-ups or worse, even start the game. A great team like us should have Palu and Crouch-equivalent bench strikers.

I still believe though our 4 central defenders we have now is good enough to last a season unless we are cursed.

Life w/o Gerrard and Torres not easy init, plus we haven't had a solid performance like wot we had last term out,

International break has been avoided by our lads and this is the time to put things up right..

Torres is out till Dec and Gerrard is back in action..could be a proving time for Ngog but the dive caused him a huge shame among the profs..

The quality of backup is what matters now.

You dont need a QUALITY backup for CB because they dont change the game for you because you clearly dont send on a backup CB to change the game for you. What we need now is a match winner.

The likes of Babel, Voronin are not good enough to be the match winner we need.How often do you see them changing a game?

If we dont have the money to buy it, sell these 2 and give the likes of Pacheco, Amoo chance to prove themselves.

Maybe, they will have more impact than the likes of Babel and Voronin.

This post has been edited by solstice818: Nov 11 2009, 06:58 PM

yea, but looking at the table we are still scoring goals - 3rd best attack in the league.
but defensively, from 2nd best last season we are now nowhere near that.

The same group of players if you notice only with Kry replacing Hyypia. Krygiakos is a backup and he doesn't play much to get the blames for all the leaked goals.

Skrtel and Carra both have their own off-form period on field.The question is, do we have to resort to buying a new CB to solve the problem.

A new cb come in, still have to take time for getting the new cb partnership works.

well safe to say half(or more) of the goals we conceded came from.... yes, set-pieces. Cant fully blame the central defenders for that.

actually u can.
central defenders usually are the tallest guys on the pitch.
and most of our set piece goals allowed in have been lost battles in the air.

Germany FA used to have the idea of

We'll play to score.

If they score 1 we score 2.

If they score another one, we score 3.

If they make it 3, we'll make it 4.

so what makes u think we can solve our '3rd best in the league attack' by buying another striker?
is he going to be scoring hat-tricks in every game?
who in the team are able to read his runs and deliver the killer passes?

but you cant expect only the central defenders to clear the ball from set-pieces. You cant expect them to be at the right place at the right time. Everyone needs to communicate and clear the ball.

Thats why the suggestion of Gerrard and Aquilani in midfield. Theres no way you cant count on them to deliver that killer pass.

This post has been edited by visionary1993: Nov 11 2009, 07:09 PM

that obviously didnt work in 2001 when england demolished germany 5-1 with all liverpool players scoring.

IIRC, that was in 2002. or 2006. It was world cup when that mentality surfaced.

it was 2001, wc qualifier.
such a famous match theres even a wiki entry for it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_1%E2%..._England_(2001)

haha! I stand corrected!

Maybe they cant score hat tricks in every game but they will certainly add a new dimension to our way of playing.

Let's take an example.The Fulham players said, once Torres went off, they were no longer worried and went all the way for attacking to get the 3 points.This only indicate one thing, they are not scared of players like Lucas,Kuyt and others.

The fact that they think No one else in our team poses the threat to them, allow them to attack us without fear of conceding.

You can have the best centerbacks at the back but if your players failed to make the opponents worry about conceding, you are already losing the game before the game starts.

What we need now is a matchwinner who can make the opponents worry despite the absence of Gerrard and Torres. Benny is one of them but the fact that he played too much game in a row caused him to have a hamstring injury.We need another player who can pose a threat to the opponent because it helps in minimizing their time to attack, decreasing chances of conceding, increasing chances of winning the match simultaneously.

This post has been edited by solstice818: Nov 11 2009, 07:16 PM