and how do we make the new open document to be floated window? why is it always maximised, hate it like that...

dont waste ur money, save it enough, go straight to F58... u get F20 also 1 month later u wan to upgrade again.

for the marco, u still need flash to shoot it properly, so flash first.

This post has been edited by ieR: Oct 29 2009, 01:40 AM

Just put the flash foot on. Then u can mount the flash on a normal camera tripod. Look under the flash foot, the screw mount fits tripod 1.

Raynox if u r into macro photography - real up close shots of bugs, flowers, toys, etc...

F20 if u need more light for indoor shoot, fill flash to eliminate shadows while outdoor daytime shoots....

Depends on yr needs..... but if flash, i rather pay more and get a minimum F42 (2nd hand can be found arnd RM600++, hunt arnd)...

so, that means that getting a f20 is not worth it?

F20 is targeting A850 and A900 user, not u those user already pay pass 6k for the body, rm600 10% of thier body wont hurt them.

This post has been edited by ieR: Oct 29 2009, 01:51 AM

hey ier...where u located bro?... bored this sunday..wanna go shoot stuff?

wow, i took ou tmy old hdd, and dig around, found a photo i shot when the 4th day i own my A300... paiseh, noob photo... but great memory



This post has been edited by ieR: Oct 29 2009, 02:15 AM

try to understand the basic exposure rules like aperture..shutter..iso..i
..try to play around wth it..it helps to understand better..lastly share ur result here so the gurus can tell u wads wrong =)

@ier
i luvvvvvvv cs4 =p

give me a macccccccccc sure i love cs4~ but i heard cs4 on mac have problem processing files/project larger then 500mb?..... hungry, wan go out for big mac?

aaaa i wanna get a sal50f18..but not sure wats the market price??? RM500??

well..i never really try to render anything that big...i did tried to create some gif for games..but at most 200-300mb only...no issue...no chance to try anything larger than 500mb..

Ahaks straight to F58 eh any other noticeable feature than the whole body can be tilted? Hehe suddenly poisoned by your statement

Any users of the Sony Alpha LCS-AMLC3 Leather case ?
Any comments ?

Damn I missed out on the 20mm lens. Zzzzzzzz.

jika u upgrade items.. lens, flash etc etc.. the leather case willl collect dust.. cause if your like me, i tend to chuck everything in one bigbag (im carrying L size bagman) then carry the whole load out.. I previously wanted to get the leather case.. looks so nice.. but come to think of it.. when i go out, i need my flash.. cannot fit lar.. samore im carrying another additional zoom lens..

if ur going on 1 lens all the way no flash.. then should be ok lar.. if u like to lug ur gear around, then no point..

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Added on October 29, 2009, 11:25 ammore powwaaaa.. u take the f42 and the f58 from the sony website and do side by side comparison lar.. but really i got no regrets by going staight to f58.. its a nice toy to have

This post has been edited by lildaredevil906: Oct 29 2009, 11:25 AM

F58 is good when shooting in portrait (camera vertical) mode too.
because the flash head will be closer to be camera...without that feature the flash head is actually slightly left/right when shooting in portrait mode causing the flash to be seen coming from left/right side. if u get what i mean

True true...i agree with u...the F58 is a nice toy to have....really helps alot....especially when u have the tammy togather! Lol.....and also the lambency diffuser on....niceee.....

not forgeting F58 was the only flash that can even bend -ve 15 degree to shot marco!~~~~~ (saying 0degree is straight front) and with such precise TTL control, ur marco also wont become overexpose~~ F58 i think has the smartest WB exposure AI~

used to play with canon 580exII, erm it tend to rely on the canon's iso a lot, so the flash i not sure is really not so powerful or the iso is the one compasate it lack of exposure~ summore it cannot withstand the weight of the garyfong bowl thingie, coz the lock is at 90degre or 0 degree, so u garyfong it at 75degree, it will fall down...

*edit: garyfong = lambency diffuser

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This post has been edited by ieR: Oct 29 2009, 01:03 PM

i went to sepang for motogp but i cant take pict there
i m working with SABO.only can wandered around after 5 o'clock.
anyone with nice pict?
saw few sony user @ training session.
dunno if they r from here.
one guy give thumb after see my camera.anyone from here?

This post has been edited by irienaoki: Oct 29 2009, 01:23 PM

clivengu: Refer to page 1 on how to reduce the effect of the WL flash signal from appearing in your pictures. The WL flash signal is always the same power no matter what EV/flash EV you have, but your settings can affect how strong it appears.

Example of how it could work:

F8 ISO200 1/40s (darker aperture, slower shutter speed for ambient light.)

Increase your distance from the subject also.

ieR: The F20 is RM499 retail lah it does not reach RM600!