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 Lets talk salary!, What is the industry rate, we must unite

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post Sep 18 2006, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(jasonlim @ Sep 18 2006, 11:21 AM)
wanna ask,fresh grad 2.2k for a software engineer..do u think i m underpaid or reasonable paid
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yes u are highly paid for a freshy ... wink.gif
so pls treasure it.
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QUOTE(jasonlim @ Sep 18 2006, 12:21 PM)
wanna ask,fresh grad 2.2k for a software engineer..do u think i m underpaid or reasonable paid
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u should be grateful because usually the salary is rm1500 for software engineer. the salary is high enough.
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post Sep 18 2006, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(saimatkong @ Sep 18 2006, 05:40 PM)
yes u are highly paid for a freshy ...  wink.gif
so pls treasure it.
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QUOTE(quintessential @ Sep 18 2006, 05:48 PM)
u should be grateful because usually the salary is rm1500 for software engineer. the salary is high enough.
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huh?seriously huh?i tot i m paid reasonably oni sweat.gif

btw,1.5k is 2 low ler..at least 1.8k n above is ok..but still depends on co n location
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post Sep 19 2006, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(jasonlim @ Sep 18 2006, 11:15 PM)
huh?seriously huh?i tot i m paid reasonably oni sweat.gif

btw,1.5k is 2 low ler..at least 1.8k n above is ok..but still depends on co n location
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Your pay is actually reasonable, IMO. But nowadays most company pay less than 2k even in KL where all the things all so expensive. Where's the company actually? If outside KL then OKlo.
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post Sep 19 2006, 08:22 AM

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yalo..i also think is reasonable nia..not veli high

my company is at damansara..
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post Sep 19 2006, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(jasonlim @ Sep 18 2006, 11:21 AM)
wanna ask,fresh grad 2.2k for a software engineer..do u think i m underpaid or reasonable paid
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your pay is good dude, considering your position. no matter who you ask, they're gonna say your pay is good.
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post Sep 19 2006, 06:03 PM

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Hey guys, I think it was here that I saw it, someone posted a guide (PDF) on average job salary for every single type of job. Anyone have a link for me there?
*EDIT* Nvm, found it at Kelly Services. wink.gif

Anyway, I'm wondering what the market rate for annual increment is. For a programmer, (VB.NET, SQL, that sorta thing), fresh grad, working at the company for 6+ months adi.

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QUOTE(great @ Sep 19 2006, 10:31 PM)
2.2K only is too low....Ask for 2.8...or try 3K.. Please boost up the salary market in malaysia. Some manager know nuts but earns 10K. What gives?
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software engineer fresh grad ask for 2.8k or 3k??? hahaha dude, u crack me up... MNC also quite hard to get that la...
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post Sep 20 2006, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(great @ Sep 19 2006, 10:31 PM)
2.2K only is too low....Ask for 2.8...or try 3K.. Please boost up the salary market in malaysia. Some manager know nuts but earns 10K. What gives?
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Unless you're very good and experienced, else nobody will hire a fresh grad with 2.8k-3k...

FYI, I work as system engineer in KL, my salary is just 1.7k plus mileage allowance. And bear in mind, your salary is direct proportional with your workload and pressure...In KL, if your boss give you 2k salary, means he is expecting 4k work from you.
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QUOTE(great @ Sep 19 2006, 10:31 PM)
2.2K only is too low....Ask for 2.8...or try 3K.. Please boost up the salary market in malaysia. Some manager know nuts but earns 10K. What gives?
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For your first post, this seems rather immature. Shows that you do lack the depth of what it means to be out there looking for a job after graduation.

If you want to boost up the salary market in malaysia, you have to start boosting up the earnings of the companies here.
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post Sep 20 2006, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(great @ Sep 20 2006, 02:33 PM)
To boost up the earnings of the company, its takes the entire staff to co operate.
I think you posting is rather weak too. Shows that you do lack the depth of how a business works. The boosting of the earnings has to depend on many departments in the. Its not only me ...it starts from up down. Managements especially. The economy here plays a role as well. Do you think government should play a role by giving MNC investors the support as well? Why do big MNC lay off their workers? It is because workers are not boosting up the earnings? icon_idea.gif

Its ok to ask for much money...Most inportant thing is negotiate on the salary. Negotiate la. Immature?!?!?
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Agreed that my posting was rather weak as I did not clearly mention the true intent of what I meant. My apologies on that, wrote that post in a hurry notworthy.gif

Anyone knows that in order for the company to achieve greater earnings there are a lot of factors that control that, the employees, the country it is operating in, the economy and other external factors.

To answer on why MNC companies lay off their workers are usually based on the entire groups earnings and trying to reduce cost while streamlining their operations in order to operate efficiently while maximizing profits and reducing costs. It could even be a strategic decision such as selling off unprofitable subsidiaries or shutting down unneccesary departments.

Yes, there is nothing wrong with negotiating a salary but what can you negotiate when you are a fresh graduate looking for a job? If you actually do read the rest of the comments made here by other forumers who are hunting for jobs, getting a job more than RM2.5k is very good and not many people can do that.

Ask him to negotiate after receiving RM2.2k for his first job with nothing to hold on to but just a degree is not something advisable. Heck, you might even make him/her lose the opportunity to obtain the job.

If you look from a management view, why should I bother hiring someone who wants RM2.8k-RM3k if there are like 100 other applicants who are willing to accept the job at a lower salary. At the end of the day, we are in a very competitive environment where people are willing to work for less just to grab on to that first job. But once you have gained your experience, then negotiating is definitely acceptable and a good way to increase your own pay.

If you look from a management view, the entire hiring process would you be able to fit in another employee within your department's budget while balancing your other employee's pay structure and year end bonusses? You would then have to consider a training budget as well as allocation of staff planning time in order to train the new hire. Not planning ahead would then cause more of your staff to be overworked and thus causing the entire department's morale to drop.

So again back to the whole entire question about negotiating for a higher pay, lets try to think this through with both pictures in mind, you as the employee and the person/company who is hiring you.

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How much is the pay for a ASP.Net/VB.Net software engineer with 1 yr exp. I am a developer SE not a bug fixer SE.

I am currently 2.6K, If i leave now I'm sure my boss will counter-offer me. But I persuit for a better company. Probably MNC. So if I am in how much so u guys think I deserve to ask? I need a rough figure only. becos increament in MNC will be real suck later on if u strike ur salary low.

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QUOTE(great @ Sep 19 2006, 10:31 PM)
2.2K only is too low....Ask for 2.8...or try 3K.. Please boost up the salary market in malaysia. Some manager know nuts but earns 10K. What gives?
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i think it's ok..considering my result+skill

2.2k is on par wit wat i equip..mayb later when i hv more xp n skill..then oni ask 4 more

i wont simply nego 4 high pay if i noe nuts..

n the highest i heard so far for SE is 2.6k..tht is also if u join MNC+good result+veli skillfull

QUOTE(leekk8 @ Sep 20 2006, 10:30 AM)
Unless you're very good and experienced, else nobody will hire a fresh grad with 2.8k-3k...

FYI, I work as system engineer in KL, my salary is just 1.7k plus mileage allowance. And bear in mind, your salary is direct proportional with your workload and pressure...In KL, if your boss give you 2k salary, means he is expecting 4k work from you.
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yes,more pay means more work load..n i m expecting tht

QUOTE(Mavik @ Sep 20 2006, 12:10 PM)
For your first post, this seems rather immature. Shows that you do lack the depth of what it means to be out there looking for a job after graduation.

If you want to boost up the salary market in malaysia, you have to start boosting up the earnings of the companies here.
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yes,u also need 2 boost ur xp n skill
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i was offered a job for position of test engineer.. however the pay is rm1.7k
izzit way too low or normal for a fresh grad for tat position?

i asked some of my frens doin in this field n they said at least 2k for this position
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QUOTE(Ah WanG @ Sep 22 2006, 12:44 AM)
i was offered a job for position of test engineer.. however the pay is rm1.7k
izzit way too low or normal for a fresh grad for tat position?

i asked some of my frens doin in this field n they said at least 2k for this position
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wuiks!!i tot u say 1.5k? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(Budur @ Jan 13 2005, 01:17 AM)
I would like to noe, how does a typical day of a Mangaemetn trainee like? What to they do actually?
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my friend fresh graduate also manaement trainne
He receive 2.7k no allowance. But is doing either sale/marketing.

big company can pay that amout.
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QUOTE(Ah WanG @ Sep 22 2006, 12:44 AM)
i was offered a job for position of test engineer.. however the pay is rm1.7k
izzit way too low or normal for a fresh grad for tat position?

i asked some of my frens doin in this field n they said at least 2k for this position
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Test engineer's pay can range from RM1.8k to about RM2.8k depending on your degree and the company you are applying to. MNCs will definitely offer more of course.
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pal...
I have 2.5 years working experience ..manage to get 2.6k+300 allowance oni..

However got a new offer which is 3200+100 but...from a consultant falls back to a small programmer..

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small programmer then later more room for growing, good

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hihi..
anyone know what is the salary for a full qualified accountant or FINANCE MANAGER in any bank in malaysia????

With at least 3 year working experience..


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