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post Sep 29 2009, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Sep 29 2009, 03:16 PM)
here the boys' record:

2009/2010

2 Goals
2 Assists

2008/2009 (Less than 10 league starts)

6 Goals
4 Assists

2007/2008

4 Goals
14 Assist

we all know last game, fergie had enough and turned to giggsy. we all can sense on that. a poor player is a poor player, you'll get the very occasional brilliance of him, but the rest of it, he's either halfly turn  or doesnt turn at all. like keep losing simple passes and stuffs like that

i know u've always defend nani and thats very admirable. unless he improves dramatically, i pretty sure he'll out at the end of this season, flogged to some team for 5-10 mils.

slating my own team's player is not so okay but i think its justified by seeing the bigger picture.
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You forget about Fletcher, dude. He was nowhere where he is now few years back....and now look at him. He is the important man in the middle. Some players developed their games very fast at the very young age (eg. Ronaldo, Messi) but some only become good when they are towards late of their young age (eg. Fletcher), and some good at young age, flop when they reached 26 to 30. So different players have different kind of attributes. You don't expect everyone to fully developed as a class player at the age of 21, 22 or 23.

Nani is not the next Ronaldo or the next Luiz Figo, he is just him. Yes, you can see a lot of similarity between Ronaldo and Nani but the way of playing from both of them are different.

Just give him play few games in a row, don't rotate him too much and he will warm himself up for that. Certain players are late warm type of players...they just need more games to show their consistency

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post Sep 29 2009, 03:46 PM

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It won't be too much trouble to look for another GK to act as backup. Can get an up and coming one at a lower league or someone experience like Ricardo etc. I wonder if we can persuade VDS to stay another season to see things through with Foster.. that would definitely be one I would want right now. Foster taking over permanently next season with VDS as that safety net.

Only IF Foster pass the test given to him this season that is..

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i thought CL's match is tonite.. oh well.. continue watching House then
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It won't be too much trouble to look for another GK to act as backup. Can get an up and coming one at a lower league or someone experience like Ricardo etc. I wonder if we can persuade VDS to stay another season to see things through with Foster.. that would definitely be one I would want right now. Foster taking over permanently next season with VDS as that safety net.

Only IF Foster pass the test given to him this season that is..
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use vDS as back up, mainly use Foster... IF he start to F555 up, look for another keeper... for time being i see our gk post save with kuschack, foster and vds
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fletcher? yes i am not forgetting him. infact, i remember luke chadwick, chris eagles, and to say the least, djemba djemba and kleberson. if we go along with most people here, i am pretty sure djemba-djemba and kleberson still with us.

but they are not, thank god we are not following some people's logic here. for the record, djemba-djemba arrived 2003 and flogged to villa 2005. thats what ... 2 years? more of less the same story with kleberson. i dont know what the reason we flog them too quickly, but whatever the reason is, i am pretty sure SAF know both were not cut out for man united.

as for fletcher, he graduated from a 'normal' player to an important first team player beginning 2005-2006. my term on 'normal player' is the one that made to the bench and may be thrown into active at the 80th minute of 90th minute, and not expecting to do much different. now aged 25(?), hes an important player after .... 6 years but as i said earlier, his game picked up season 2005-2006.

he added steel to his game and bang for the last 2 seasons, he been one of the best players. and if we are to compare him and nani, which for me isnt comparable at all because of the positions and values, we can see that nani struggled as the number of years playing increases. for example, arriving here, nani got like 14 assist? 4 goals? the next year, he got like less than 10 assists? but more goals? but he appears in less game as the year before. as for fletcher, he's very consistent through out seasons after 2005.

i am prepared to wait for him to turn, that nani, but not i am to wait till end of season. if not, then its better for us to get on.
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ape2 la bradah~ buih mulut ko bertekak, SAF tau le ape die buat hehehe
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QUOTE(avars @ Sep 29 2009, 04:36 PM)
ape2 la bradah~ buih mulut ko bertekak, SAF tau le ape die buat hehehe
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post Sep 29 2009, 05:14 PM

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no doubt, man utd will win.
we r in good form right now., nobody can stop us.

show me some SPIRIT..!
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Sep 29 2009, 04:15 PM)
fletcher? yes i am not forgetting him. infact, i remember luke chadwick, chris eagles, and to say the least, djemba djemba and kleberson. if we go along with most people here, i am pretty sure djemba-djemba and kleberson still with us.

but they are not, thank god we are not following some people's logic here. for the record, djemba-djemba arrived 2003 and flogged to villa 2005. thats what ... 2 years? more of less the same story with kleberson. i dont know what the reason we flog them too quickly, but whatever the reason is, i am pretty sure SAF know both were not cut out for man united.

as for fletcher, he graduated from a 'normal' player to an important first team player beginning 2005-2006. my term on 'normal player' is the one that made to the bench and may be thrown into active at the 80th minute of 90th minute, and not expecting to do much different. now aged 25(?), hes an important player after .... 6 years but as i said earlier, his game picked up season 2005-2006.

he added steel to his game and bang for the last 2 seasons, he been one of the best players. and if we are to compare him and nani, which for me isnt comparable at all because of the positions and values, we can see that nani struggled as the number of years playing increases. for example, arriving here, nani got like 14 assist? 4 goals? the next year, he got like less than 10 assists? but more goals? but he appears in less game as the year before. as for fletcher, he's very consistent through out seasons after 2005.

i am prepared to wait for him to turn, that nani, but not i am to wait till end of season. if not, then its better for us to get on.
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Darren Fletcher:
2002–03 2 0
2003–04 35 0
2004–05 30 3
2005–06 41 1
2006–07 40 3
2007–08 24 2
2008–09 42 4
2009–10 6 2

He was more than just a bench player. Those days we played with 3 in the middle if you remember. He was always part of that. Fletcher showed in the big games that he can really play, but come the normal games he disappeared for some weird reason. That's when people say he's a bit limited I guess. That continued even into 06/07.. but that season he played a lot better as a whole and doesn't always look limited in the games he had. But still he didn't dominate the way he is now. It was only last season things started to work for him in every game. And in 05/06, he lost his place when Keano retired, Scholes got injured with that eye injury to O'Shea-Giggs combo in midfield.

Oh come on. You think we're blind. I'm not saying we should give every single player games or keep them when it was obvious they're consistently shit.. and looking at their current ability+potential, their performances in the team, their contribution.. if they're not up to mark, I won't say no to moving them on. It depends on the quality. Some players you know straight away won't provide much other than just another body to choose from. Evans always had quality. Fletcher.. well, he was highly regarded as a kid. Chadwick showed nothing much other than a few trick to beat his man. Eagles and Richardson both showed they are average on the wings. Can't beat their man, can't provide any decent balls into the box.. never once did they really impress for us. Djemba2(left when he was 24) obviously failed here. Kleberson(24-26) struggled with injuries and didn't adapt to the league. Both of them showed nothing of the sort of performance Nani did in his first season here. They both had just around 15 starts for us both season, and never really impress except for a few games. Everyone of those had their chances for a few seasons before we flogged them off.

I would understand totally where you come from if Nani indeed have been inconsistent from the very start. But from the tone of your post, it's obvious you're just looking at the recent season that just past rather than his whole career here. Nani showed in his first season he can be very good for us from the wings. He doesn't quite manage to play that way last season, but still showed in some games that he has the ability to trouble and create chances for us. This season has been a mixed bag for him. He started the season well, then he sort off had a bad few games. But as always the talent is there. Now he just need to make use of it better which would come with age. Hopefully he does it this season. His spot should be save unless we can prise away Ribery/Messi. Can't see anyone else I want for that winger spot other than those two, and Ronaldo of course.
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that stats are all out and we've got our verdicts and opinions out as well.

so how we can draw the line now?

should we give nani another season? or should we give him ultimatum on this season?

the problem is, the thin line of giving a player's some time to adjust and play. ronaldo took 1 year to impress and another year to establish. and another year to ultimately conquer to scene.

nani on the other hand, 1 year to....... ? another year to VANISH. fletcher is always there since 2005/2006, when he picked up his game so much.ruud van nistelrooy took no time at all to hit it big time.

yes we cant decide on that but we are not living it forever and the pressures are always mounting. we need to draw a line eventually. and giggsy, sooner or later will hang his boot up.
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fletcher was shit earlier in his carier and now he is important part of the man utd team....SAF should keep faith with foster too....remember, zidane is nothing b4 he reach 25 years old...

but 1 thing that worriying me.....most of england keeper always show promising stat in their early of their career but flop in their latter stage...look at kirkland, robinson, carson...

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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Sep 29 2009, 05:48 PM)
that stats are all out and we've got our verdicts and opinions out as well.

so how we can draw the line now?

should we give nani another season? or should we give him ultimatum on this season?

the problem is, the thin line of giving a player's some time to adjust and play. ronaldo took 1 year to impress and another year to establish. and another year to ultimately conquer to scene.

nani on the other hand, 1 year to....... ? another year to VANISH. fletcher is always there since 2005/2006, when he picked up his game so much.ruud van nistelrooy took no time at all to hit it big time.

yes we cant decide on that but we are not living it forever and the pressures are always mounting. we need to draw a line eventually. and giggsy, sooner or later will hang his boot up.
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Ronaldo had 4 seasons before he conquered everything. Started from 03/04 till 06/07 when he just became the best player around. And before that there were even doubts from our own fans whether he would be consistent enough to be a top winger for us. But ihs talent and potential was there for all to see. He was younger too that time compared to Nani, but again we can't compare everyone to those special ones. Everyone else would look quite average. Ruud joined us after he turn to 25. Two years older than Nani is right now. You're basically written him off even from last season if I remembered it correctly unless I mistaken it for someone else.

Of course Giggsy won't last that much longer. That's why we have the likes of Park and Valencia around to be that experience guys should anything go wrong in the short term. Nani will soon step up you feel.. and then there's Obertan and Ljajic.

Just a question, who would you get to play on the wings for us? Messi and Ribery seems to be out of our reach. Ronaldo is at 'his home'. Like the GKs, there's just a lack of quality out there atm..
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QUOTE(Wan @ Sep 29 2009, 06:06 PM)

Just a question, who would you get to play on the wings for us? Messi and Ribery seems to be out of our reach. Ronaldo is at 'his home'. Like the GKs, there's just a lack of quality out there atm..
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dunno bout u guys but i would love to see beckham playin for united one last time smile.gif
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QUOTE(sheng @ Sep 29 2009, 07:58 PM)
dunno bout u guys but i would love to see beckham playin for united one last time smile.gif
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not in great form now.... heard that he's doing more of modelling to football in USA
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the wings? have to select any of those we have currently or basically anyone in the world?

i'd like to see park feature alot more. i feel that the way football is being played nowadays, it seems the traditional flankers are no longer effective. particularly in europe. us vs arsenal last season CL summed up everything that is going on in football now.

one touch football, lightning counterattacks, penetrative players. park is one of the creative players we have.

if i've got to choose anybody out there available (realistically) to us both financially and mentally, i would love to see.... wait a minute. no one i cant think of now.

on nani, i have to respect fellow reds here. so i'll stop slating him for everyone;s good. and for now. after all if compared to anybody outside united, hes not that bad to be honest. but the standard we set is bloody high and with commitments in all cups we are focusing, everybody must be at their toes and perform, which nani has failed to do these few games into the new season. and last season.

now must go back and wash me body. get some snacks. blardy hungry.
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MANCHESTER UNITED V VFL WOLFSBURG
Vidic brushes off loss of Ronaldo and Tevez
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Nemanja Vidic is still trying to ignore talk about the impact of losing both Cristiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez in the summer, determined that Manchester United's success this season will not be based on how the club deals with their departures.

The Serbia international, speaking ahead of Manchester United's Champions League date with Wolfsburg on Wednesday night, feels that the club's critics are desperate for United to fail this season so they can point the finger of blame at Sir Alex Ferguson for not adequately replacing the duo.

"Ronaldo and Tevez are quality players, there is no question about that,'' Vidic said. "But it is hard to say whether we have got over losing them. We will probably only know that at the end of the season.

"If we don't win trophies, people will say it is because they have gone, although that is not necessarily the case. At the moment we are doing well. We have had the best start in the four years I have been here. There is no question we have quality players but, for me, the really encouraging sign is that we are still not in the best form.

"You don't want to be at your highest level at this stage. We have to be ready for the most important games at the end.''

Vidic was also quick to praise striker Wayne Rooney, but believes his value to the side has long been overlooked with Ronaldo in the squad.

"It is wrong that people are suddenly looking at Wayne,'' he said. "He has always been an important player for us so, in that sense, nothing has changed. Sometimes he does things the fans don't see because he is doing a job for the team.

"This year he is even more noticeable because he is scoring goals and has a different role in the team. But we don't need to put pressure on him. We know all about his ability.''


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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Sep 29 2009, 07:04 PM)
the wings? have to select any of those we have currently or basically anyone in the world?

i'd like to see park feature alot more. i feel that the way football is being played nowadays, it seems the traditional flankers are no longer effective. particularly in europe. us vs arsenal last season CL summed up everything that is going on in football now.

one touch football, lightning counterattacks, penetrative players. park is one of the creative players we have.

if i've got to choose anybody out there available (realistically) to us both financially and mentally, i would love to see.... wait a minute. no one i cant think of now.

on nani, i have to respect fellow reds here. so i'll stop slating him for everyone;s good. and for now. after all if compared to anybody outside united, hes not that bad to be honest. but the standard we set is bloody high and with commitments in all cups we are focusing, everybody must be at their toes and perform, which nani has failed to do these few games into the new season. and last season.

now must go back and wash me body. get some snacks. blardy hungry.
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Yeah, Nani have been pretty disappointing since his debut season, save for a few good games here and there. He started this season quite well I thought, but seems to return to his shell last two games especially. But it's only the start of the new season. Hopefully things will pan out better for him this season. With Ronaldo gone, maybe we can have two wingers doing their thing rather than cover defensively on one side.

Park can be very good in some games, but in some games he can truly be ineffective too. If he has better control, touch and finishing, he would be a great player. Right now he's just a good player IMO. He's the opposite of Valencia really. Very good coming inside, but pretty woeful going outside, while with Valencia it's the other way round. Nani seems to be good on both, but as we know, he's inconsistent. When he's in that kind of form, he's would mess everything up. Simple pass, movement etc.. all wouldn't work for him. Hopefully that Obertan kid has something special about him.. a surprise perhaps.
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anybody knows whats up with Michael Owen? manutd.com says that he didnt turn up for training. please don't tell me injured?
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