Interesting discussion going on here
Rafiqos, i keep my hh no different with urs
Smallest delicup with few mm substrate, poo and old exo all dalam takder take out lol.....

Bout mycosis, i think the 1drop of water= mycosis myth came from me?
I only heard bout tat from TAG last time we go mamak
But imho, so long if u have good ventilation, i think mycosis wont occur so easily
I personally do mist one of the corner of my old P.Pallidus enclosure before
Just to experiment since she ady got mycosis but well, i dun see the mycosis spreading or she got any new mycosis spot on her
I continue doing this for one whole month (Yea, im insane) yet nothing happen
But from what i know, desert sp are able to restrain moisture in their body way more effective than other scorpion does
Their poo are extremely dry, they have a layer of waxy coating on their exoskeleton that makes it impermeable to water (in both direction)
So long that they get enough food, they have sufficient moisture, molting sholdn't be a problem

But that's just from what i read, i personally have only experience 2 desert scorp molt which is my a.australis (Which fail to do so) and deathstalker
Both are feed on the same schedule, same environment etc
But i'm not sure why my australis fail to molt thou

Lastly, "cause of death due to overhumid for arid inverts is mycosis"
What about sub arid scorp like Hot Hot?
When u keep them too wet they ll die but why?
Surely it is not mycosis cause i dont see black spot on them and as i know mycosis doesnt kill a scorp so fast

damn,
today woke up at 5:00am and peek on my H.H ,
and its body turn over ,and...dont wanna continue...

I just have one desert scorpion, fat tail with be before.
I also heard that 1 drop of water can kill them but I don't really think that is possible.
I kept my ft in a Tupperware, with sand that brought for my bearded dragon.
And also due to I have lighting for my dragon, I place my ft near the light as well, not direct just beside, hoping to get some temperature from that.
I feed him meal worms and some small cricket once or twice a week. also depends on his size.
I don't know the temperature for it but i think should be fine.
That is the only desert for me and i'm not sure it is correct or not, still learning .. haha.


True. We really don't know what they feed them. You guys knows that the cricket is come in pack to the shop right, so in the shop we might know what they use to feed them but not when they are being raised up. So sometimes when I brought a pack of cricket I will feed them something before I feed my pets. What i feed them is depends on what's in my fridge, haha. Mostly orange and carrot and if have nothing I will feed them grass.
Raise them up ourself is good but sometime will be messy, cricket will be noisy. I'm not sure about the roaches because I din have them but from what I heard should be alright. Will it be smelly actually?

BTW .. so nice to see all people sharing their experience and thought

Exactly my point ryo, that is why I say there is no possibility for arid to semi-arid scorpions to die due to overhumid. What I'm thinking is possibly due to something that is much more complex than that.

All these while, every one of us have been so humid-phobic that we all forgot what mycosis is in the first place, which is fungus growth. I just don't think overhumid would actually kill a scorpion whether or not it comes from an arid or semi-arid environment. Overhumid to the point of fungus growth? Then YES, I believe it will kill your scorpion!

But I do believe in defected broods and such or broods that tend to have more defected specimens than others. This though may be caused due to bad husbandary I presume?

I like where you're pointing. Elaborate more Kar.

Right, you see I think most of you guys know about my super unexpected C.sculpturatus that popped all of a sudden. What happened was that before she popped, I wasn't exactly the best keeper for it, what I did was just feed her until it's right below the regular meal routine. That's probably due to how I'm a bit phobia when it comes to powerfeeding bark scorpions. They grow too fast and they die too fast.

The C.sculpturatus that I had was a young mother, she's not well fed, basically just enough and she gets her humid side almost at all times. The only problem was that she wasn't a well fed mother and also a young mother.

That's bad husbandry for someone who doesn't know that she's gravid at all and hence I thought it may have caused the reason of why she wiped off the whole brood of nymphs when she gave birth to them. Simply because they are defected or maybe she's hungry herself as well.

But looking at how it was, there were a lot of defected scorplings, some could only move their body but not their legs/pincers some could only move their pincers but nothing else and they were all wrapped together in a big ball and they all managed to survive for 3 days. And as I said, there where only 6 that made it and even so, the mother wiped all 6 off.

And looking back, Ryo's Hottentotta Hottentotta nymphs came from a mother that died shortly after they were born. I'm just curious that possibly the conditions that their mother was being kept isn't exactly tip top. But that could only be clarified by Ryo and definitely not me.

"I'm just curious that possibly the conditions that their mother was being kept isn't exactly tip top"

I assure u that i keep her in the right condition (At least i think so)
She was in a guppy tank with good ventilatiom, one piece of bark where she usually hide under, one section of moss where i usually mist on (Also her favourite hang out place)

Problem is, since i got her till she passed away, she only eaten twice or a lil bit more than that
After that, she just kill prey, hold in chelicarae, and then drop on ground
One week after she refuse prey, she pop-ed, with a bunch of unfertilized eggs where she's munching on

Im not sure if those babies are defected, but i do suspect even before u metion this
Remember i told u in msn last time?
Some babies are small, some are big, the different are really obvious
Those smaller babies aka runt, make out of the majority that died off

It sound like an excuse to cover my own mistake so i never mention bout it in this thread
But think again, it's kinda possible as she travelled 5days in parcel from a far place and perish not long after the parturation

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Added on October 28, 2009, 2:31 pmBtw dude what u mean?
Molting?
Hottentotta Hottentotta do molt upside down sometime, just dun disturb it

This post has been edited by RyoKenzaki: Oct 28 2009, 02:31 PM

maybe itis molting on its back ????? hmmm common as i see my pt does that all the time ...

This post has been edited by s98432512: Oct 28 2009, 02:35 PM

Aha! Now my last question would be the source of the Hottentotta Hottentotta. Did you get it in as an adult or did you raised it up yourself as a baby? Yes of course I remember what you told me in MSN, Ryo and hence I myself have built some curiosity towards it. Imho, hots should be somewhat always ready for a prey and even for my C.sculpturatus, she was never at any point refusing food, it's just that I have been limiting her.

My best guess at the moment is the condition of the mothers and of course even if you are importing babies directly, the condition of the scorpion could be the main cause of death. That pretty much sums up why Rafiq's hots are all kicking hard and yours are kicking the bucket instead of kicking hard.

Off topic for a bit, Ryo, I heard that you got a pair of C.sculpturatus in. Mind filling me in about the details? I wouldn't mind throwing my female there lol

I import her as a gravid adult of cause
She have given birth once which is around 7-8months ago before she reach my hand
Not really sure bout the previous batch condition but seller told me they are in 5instar already (Probably adult by now)
Btw it looks like my Hot hot cant take food although she wanted too and was hungry
(Judging by her reaction toward prey and appear to be munching it a bit but let go after awhile)
Probably she cant take anymore food for godknowwhat.jpg reason and decided to give birth and perish after that
(Hence explained the clutch of infertilized/ underdeveloped eggs?)

Btw if ur refering to sculpturatus gertschi, they are not belong to me
Ask sam
They are way smaller than our scultp thou, adult ady somemore

This post has been edited by RyoKenzaki: Oct 28 2009, 03:23 PM

If you were to ask me, these are the few hypothesis that I have narrowed down,

1) The Hottentotta Hottentotta that you bought is possibly an old Hottentotta Hottentotta. I believe like any other animals, scorpions too will be weaker and weaker as they age. In this case, we're still not sure because we can't tell how old exactly is your former Hottentotta Hottentotta. Any information on this will be of great use!

2) It could be a Wild Caught specimen. I'm not sure if you guys have experienced the same issues that I have with Wild Caught scorpions. What I actually have as feedback from my friends and also through observing my very 2 Wild Caught specimen(Liocheles Australasiae), problems do occur when it comes to feeding. Half of the time, force feeding is almost a must! And not only feeding, they also seem to perish easily in captivity due to some reasons that I can't think of now.

3) There is one more possibility and that is due to the scorpion itself has already weakened itself before reaching to you. This is the only hypothesis that I still have great doubts due to my lack of knowledge in regards of how a scorpion can be weakened/killed. Especially for your Hottentotta Hottentotta case, there is a bundle of thoughts to be put in because you yourself is a credible keeper with experience. I believe with any "google-diseases", you should have been able to identify before hand.

I really do believe in mothers that are kept with minimal husbandry will lead to defected babies and even for some mothers which are kept with good husbandry, defected babies will definitely come by possibly either due to stress during labour, stress during gestation, imperfect gestation, or it can even be due to bad genetics. From my tarantula keeping experience, I have seen eggsacs that contain almost 50-80% of spiderlings that are born with Dyskinetic Syndrome or some even smaller than their siblings. Some are born not eating at all in which caused them to not go through 2nd instar or in some cases, 3rd instar.

EDIT : Ahh...it's not the same ones that we have. Hmm...I noticed your signature...and I see Tityus Stigmurus! May I know if there is any possibility if I were to get some as well? Uber interested!!

This post has been edited by Kar: Oct 28 2009, 04:48 PM

Tityus Stigmurus !!!!!!!!!!! hot sp

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Added on October 28, 2009, 5:11 pmhmmmm i do agree with you and this got me thinking of my Orthochirus Scrobiculosus Negebensis new brood which i got a few weeks back ...
i been thinking ... could it be due to what you have said ??? bad genes ?

This post has been edited by s98432512: Oct 28 2009, 05:11 PM

It could be bad genes, or it could also be due to stress during gestation, bad gestation, or even stress during labour. To identify it is almost as close as searching for a needle in a haystack, impossible!

i miss the scorpling ..

What? L.Australasiae die easily and need to force feed? O_O
I have no problem at all with my wc LA, i even caught one with brood from previous herping trip with taggy and all of the babies survived
(Few died cause i neglected them, ok sry man:()
About feeding, no problem at all, just kill and throw inside, they ll eat after a few minutes

Stigmurus and Jacksoni are from trading with lester with my innesi
They will only reach on mid nov thou... Grey color= Pending

inbreeding could cause any effect in inverts? For gravid scorps that refuse to eat, i dont think that they are full so they refuse to eat. Same as human beings, they need to supply nutrients to the foetus in the womb (if they have 1). Or maybe they not used to local crix? or they are too weak to eat after killing the prey as they are gravid n need more energy? Ryo do you tried prekilled prey?
And yeah, I agree with Kar too, wc specimen are not use to be fed with mealworm or crix. Hong/eddie once told me that wild caught specimen will refuse to eat as they were fed with other kind of bugs in the wild. They might never encounter these bugs in their life before and hence they refuse to eat. And I read that living things do "evolve" into different species (speciation) if they have different kind of food source. So might be the food are not their basic diet hence they might face some problem during digestion and absorption.
Lester, how about those Lychas Scutilus ? U mention about you found their habitat right? So any news?

This post has been edited by *FallenAngel*: Oct 28 2009, 06:03 PM

Not moving at all edi

A little bit of misunderstanding there, I didn't said anything about Liocheles Australasiae die easily and require force feeding, I'm just saying that's the only two wild caught scorpions I have/had. Others are based on my other peers who are keeping more wild caught scorpions than me.

Inbreeding, good question. This thing has been highlighted long time ago but then again, we're all still pretty vague about the idea of inbreeding causing damage to inverts. For tarantulas, we all know it's near impossible and most of the time, even when it's possible, usually everything will turn out alright.

its an enjoyment reading replies like this.. Im still in my office and reading this really make my day...
Just a thought, would b possible to care for the babies in a specific controlled environment (for hot hot) I mean we know that they live in 2 regions (dry and semi humid) cant we like experiment one batch in drier environment and another in a semi humid environemnt. Changing their instict and perseption towards thier environemnt. I dunno its just a thought. But having said that, there would b no death issues on Hot hot by fellow hobbyists. but then again i do agree with kar's theory on their genes. I would like to hear more on this kar, if you could elaborate more on it.

Rui, i assured u i tried every method even force feeding it with different prey
Well actually those emperor/red claw we bought are also wc specimen but they take cricket, no problem
Perhaps they prey on crix also in the wild, i dunno but my LA have no prob with mealworm b4

Bout inbreeding, while most ppl say it wont hurt to inbreed ur invert for a few generation, there are more and more genetic defected offspring recently
Don't u guys think something's wrong?
Double tail scorp, upside down sling, siamese twin etc
I dunno, but it could be due to too much inbreeding?

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Added on October 28, 2009, 7:34 pmArrr, just remember robc did mention that his Siamese twin parent are from two different bloodline

This post has been edited by RyoKenzaki: Oct 28 2009, 07:34 PM