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HyourinMaru
post Oct 29 2009, 06:21 PM

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If it is about genetic then i dun quite understand y liocheles australasiae din encounter this problem hmm.gif
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post Oct 29 2009, 06:26 PM

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Good read. Don't know if you guys read it before. Maybe someone posted it before too but it's no harm bring it up
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post Oct 29 2009, 07:07 PM

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hmm, nice article. From what I know and from the article, those parthenogenesis do have advantages and disadvantages. They able to dominant in a stable environment, i.e their breeding rate is higher than bisexual sp, however they hardly able to adapt in a different environment as their gene doesnt undergo random segregation and crossing over (which allow their gene to be diversify). Hence, genetic disorder that occur in the bloodline might be carry on to every offspring.Maybe this explain why hot2 are vulnerable as they cant really cope on our environment. About LA, they are local sp, so they able to survive and stay strong as long as there is no big change in the environment. On the other hand sexually reproduce sp able to adapt, evolve into a different environment over generation, and enhance their survival in the nature.

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post Oct 29 2009, 07:12 PM

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I respect your persistance Kar. Perseverence pwns all. Muahaha. Thread ni dah makin ramai geeks. Me loves it. The world needs more bug nerds!
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post Oct 29 2009, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(*FallenAngel* @ Oct 29 2009, 07:07 PM)
hmm, nice article. From what I know and from the article, those parthenogenesis do have advantages and disadvantages. They able to dominant in a stable environment, i.e their breeding rate is higher than bisexual sp, however they hardly able to adapt in a different environment as their gene doesnt undergo random segregation and crossing over (which allow their gene to be diversify). Hence, genetic disorder that occur in the bloodline might be carry on to every offspring.Maybe this explain why hot2 are vulnerable as they cant really cope on our environment. About LA, they are local sp, so they able to survive and stay strong as long as there is no big change in the environment. On the other hand sexually reproduce sp  able to adapt, evolve into a different environment over generation, and enhance their survival in the nature.
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Dats wat i wanna say about ryo's hot hot genetic theory smile.gif
BTW i think bisexual doesnt suit,doesnt it? sweat.gif
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post Oct 29 2009, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(*FallenAngel* @ Oct 29 2009, 07:07 PM)
hmm, nice article. From what I know and from the article, those parthenogenesis do have advantages and disadvantages. They able to dominant in a stable environment, i.e their breeding rate is higher than bisexual sp, however they hardly able to adapt in a different environment as their gene doesnt undergo random segregation and crossing over (which allow their gene to be diversify). Hence, genetic disorder that occur in the bloodline might be carry on to every offspring.Maybe this explain why hot2 are vulnerable as they cant really cope on our environment. About LA, they are local sp, so they able to survive and stay strong as long as there is no big change in the environment. On the other hand sexually reproduce sp  able to adapt, evolve into a different environment over generation, and enhance their survival in the nature.
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rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

I beginning to love this thread.

Here's some pics (better with pics than no pics at all, sorry for my 1.5M phone cam)

AFS Scorpionlings communal setup. I try to keep it as Natural as possible.
I added Mountain moss i got near Kelab Darul Ehsan jungle trek and river bed sand from Hulu Langat upriver on the bottom (false bottom).
Cocofibre and some peat with some pothos plant

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Some aquarium bark that i had left from my old tank. (I saw the most off for my Avi avi Tarantula setup)

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those little things don't sit still.. mad.gif
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NEXT

My M.M

Thinking it's from an arid area, i didnt put any water dish nor any plants or moss.

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Close up
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The one that I THINK is gravid is hiding under the slab.
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post Oct 29 2009, 07:44 PM

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Well, that conclude all parthenogenic sp will have difficulty to adapt to new environment,
hence the death of some of my hot hot?
But then again, we seems to forgotten that those hot hot in rafiqos hand are doing well hmm.gif

I'm not good with genetic topic as i almost fail my science lesson so pardon me if i get the wrong meaning sad.gif

PS: Nice setup issac smile.gif

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post Oct 29 2009, 07:45 PM

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can recommend me from who can i get my first scorpion?
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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Oct 29 2009, 07:44 PM)
Well, that conclude all parthenogenic sp will have difficulty to adapt to new environment,
hence the death of some of my hot hot?
But then again, we seems to forgotten that those hot hot in rafiqos hand are doing well hmm.gif

I'm not good with genetic topic as i almost fail my science lesson so pardon me if i get the wrong meaning  sad.gif

PS: Nice setup issac smile.gif
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In theory it seems so.

But Scorpion King's case is unique. Defies Science. notworthy.gif

PS: thanks ryo. I wish i had a better cam rclxub.gif . It will sure make me feel better. biggrin.gif But I try to make the afs enclosure as green as possible.
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U can ask Rideon for some AFS babies tkgan
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post Oct 29 2009, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(tkgan @ Oct 29 2009, 07:45 PM)
can recommend me from who can i get my first scorpion?
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Or get the last emperor frm andrew
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post Oct 29 2009, 09:37 PM

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bro, how you disinfect those moss b4 u put in the tank?
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I thk we should move our discussion to msc maybe, coz if people wanna read back would be a big trouble. Just suggestion.
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post Oct 29 2009, 09:46 PM

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which discussion? my setup or the genetic argument?

I dip them in spring water 1st for a day then in distilled water. Shine them under UV light.
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post Oct 29 2009, 10:09 PM

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Anyone can help me to ID this scorpion?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/44126191@N02/4054988349/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44126191@N02/...in/photostream/
Is it Heterometrus Spinifer?or...


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post Oct 29 2009, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(tunemystylez @ Oct 29 2009, 10:09 PM)
Liocheles waigiensis for me
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post Oct 29 2009, 10:15 PM

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hope that its a parthenogenetic species cause its a WC specimen from a hiking trip...
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QUOTE(yltanisaac @ Oct 29 2009, 09:46 PM)
which discussion? my setup or the genetic argument?

I dip them in spring water 1st for a day then in distilled water. Shine them under UV light.
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UV light would kill those plant too (not sure, but i know that people do use uv light to prevent moss growing in garden water features). The genetic argument

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post Oct 29 2009, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(tunemystylez @ Oct 29 2009, 10:15 PM)
hope that its a parthenogenetic species cause its a WC specimen from a hiking trip...
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Then i think i wrong ady cos l.waigiensis cant be found locally.If really is l.waigiensis then it is not parthenogenesis
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my.. moss.. still on the lookout for those live ones...
and some nice barks..
Well i do have some adult AFS for sale oso..

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post Oct 29 2009, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(HyourinMaru @ Oct 29 2009, 10:24 PM)
O_O
Then i think i wrong ady cos l.waigiensis cant be found locally.If really is l.waigiensis then it is not parthenogenesis
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Andrew bro said is (pronounced as)chelirus sp.
hm, anyone more helps to ID?

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