did not apply to monash msia.....was not an option at all......imu-pms would be a much better choice, and relative was offered, but since they want non-refundable money upfront, offer allowed to lapse.....

huskies, monash interview was felt as 'sub-optimal'....that was much earlier on in july, when medicine was still a 'maybe just try to apply and see' kind of option.....felt newcastle pqa and interview was better, but did not get offer.....only 10 places under tpc, and at least half will go to jpa/mara scholars....

i suspect relative comes through as a 'luke warm' sort of candidate.....certainly, being uncertain about it all the while makes one less intense/passionate, and that will come through in interviews.....

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Added on January 7, 2012, 10:18 pmnot sure about playing hard to get.....they accepted someone with atar 93+ and isat<20% (who was rejected by imu).........hate to think what those rejected actually have.....

i believe 91 also got into pharmacy.....although the minimum stated in parkville is 95..........

realities of the msian scenario...

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based on statistics, 14% of candidates get 3a's in a levels.....which, assuming the cohort characteristics of a levels and aussie year 12 students are equivalent, as they should, means 3a's is any atar from 86 and above....about 6% gets 3a*'s so that will be atar 94 and above.....

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Added on January 7, 2012, 11:19 pmmonash fees is a crazy almost 60k a year, with NO lock....even unsw is 'only' 52k, but that is 6 years....

cheapest fees is newcastle.....2nd is utas, locked at 205k for the whole course...btw, offers now has fees increased to 42k/year....but earlier offers stays at 41k/year....

huskies, coe already issued.....so all that is needed is a decision to take that.....of do optometry at qut....

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Aussies normally prefer to stay local, as interstate means extra costs to them.....parkville is still one of the top pharmacy schools, the top in victoria....csp spots will definitely be above 95.....bonded places may be sub-95...

one of msia's success story has been it's public healthcare system.....regardless of how people criticise it.....the truth is, if you have been to indonesia and india, you will realised how fortunate msians has been and is....

this may change, if the government has it's way, with the national health financing system, and disbandment of the public clinic and hospital system....the gov spends about 3% of gnp on healthcare (another 3% is private), and want to cut this down!......

ironically, we send many of our youths to train in places with poorly functioning and often corrupt, healthcare systems....notably india, indonesia, egypt and russia......they will inevitably carry some of the work culture back....

i am talking here about healthcare delivery systems, in response to cyber's video.....NOT doctors per se....know the difference before you comment.....

uac offers are out..... nsw uni applicants should have their firm offers....

relative have rejection from unsw medicine....

1. 3 years ago?....we are talking about 2012 admission.....

2. enter 92 are liked rural bonded places, or one of the other categories of 'special' admission candidates....go ask your classmates....

no word from uws (they do not use uac for internationals) nor provisional entry double degree uq.....

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Added on January 9, 2012, 7:11 pmlooking at the numbers going forward, i don't see how they can accommodate all the home students, let alone internationals....unless the house jobs are increased significantly.....

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generally, international students can get in with 2 points lower than specified minimum and/or actual home cut-offs..........

i think there are more to think about than just being able to do the housejob....people who spends a small fortune to train overseas usually have intentions to stay on....

there are thus 2 other considerations to keep in mind.....first, whether you like that place.....and some places are NOT nice places to live....

the second is the chance for specialist training.....

so while one may be guaranteed fy1 and 2 in uk, being able to stay on after is not....and getting training jobs after may be problematic.....and uk is not a pleasant place to live.....

things changes....if the amsa and ama can prevail with the authorities, this problem may get resolution by creating more intern places in regional centres.....and this will help solve the regional/rural shortage of doctors....they can then close the img pathway.....which they have to open to keep regional australia staffed.....

secondary care is facilities with basic specialised in-patient care, ie the basic specialities of medicine, general surgery, o&g, paediatrics, radiology.....nowadays, it will probably include trauma/orthopaedics, ent and eye.....

tertiary care facilities means sub-speciality care, eg neurology/surgery, cardiac services, hepatobiliary/hepatology/transplant etc.....

While seeing gross pathologies seems great for medical students, the reality for Msia is, these are getting rare, and more important now is the ability to pick up early illness, when symptoms and signs are subtle and vague (good history).....the ability to fashion adequate and timely treatment plans, and most important, the ability to reduce morbidity and mortality by preventive and early intervention practises......

a monkey can diagnose a fungating breast cancer, but it takes skills and team work to screen and pick up subtle early breast dcis.........

some of these are spec maths students, and they are not vying for medical places.....

the competition is not so much msia, but spore, china, india, thailand, korea, taiwan and indonesia.........and in some med schools, north americans.....

not the first time lah....

confluent of ideas will generally occur when people seek the truth.....

some experience in real world clinical practice will remove some of the medical student clichés and dogma.....the world is different shades of grey, never black or white.....

so how is doctoring so far?....

that indicates very mediocre students.....or very poor time management........

most med students lead very normal, socially active lives....the only problems they face are the short vacations in the clinical years, and the fact they hardly come into contact with other students.....

the article outline the issues facing the increased through put of new doctors going forward, resultant from the new wave of new medical schools in oz....uk faced this issue some 10 years earlier.....

however, it covers mostly issues facing domestic students, and it is unclear how international students will fit into this.....priority will always be to resolve domestic issues, and deal with international students only when domestic medical graduates have been taken care of.....

that is incorrect.....there is as much pressure to perform in year 12/a levels for undergraduate entry, as there is at 1st degree level for graduate entry....one is just postponing the crunch time....

my opinion is, there is MUCH more pressure at year 12, as you are competing with ALL your age cohort for places.....whereas at graduate entry, you are more competing with a smaller group of persistent people who are NOT necessarily the best of the cohort....(it is for this reason, ie, the realisation that graduate entry students are NOT the brightest available, that some unis have now provisional entry pathways into 'double degree' programmes....eg uq, griffith and flinders).....

if one persist still after that, then one has a better chance (actually 2nd chance) of getting in....because a lot of very good students have got into undergraduate entry programmes, many of those who failed to make it will have drop off the chase and go on to do other courses....

ie, those who apply for graduate entry med schools are the PERSISTENT ones....that's the basis for having graduate entry system.....that those who still want to apply are more matured and knows that's what they want to do....and hopefully less likely to drop out, and/or drop medicine as a career later...

like i said, the price to pay is a cohort of generally weaker academic students....uq found that out when they moved into graduate entry 12 years ago, and have now a provisional entry double degree programme to tap into the pool of excellent post year 12 students....

personally, no....

monash is not that highly ranked anyway....

oxbridge or harvard would be a different story.....

utas is not the cheapest med school in oz...

oxbridge fees are cheaper than monash......