passing the usmle step 2 allow you to work in the us, but not spore.....passing the amc allows you to work in oz, but not spore.....

holding a mrcp allows one to be considered for registration in spore without a recognised basic qualification, on a case by case basis.....

wrong......that's at least 7 years....you need a bachelor's degree first for that programme.....

that is, as usual, the typical misunderstanding, and confusion when people start talking about working as doctors in other countries.....

since australia is brought up, i will just comment on amc.....

to be eligible to sit for the amc exam, you need to be a graduate of a med school listed under imed....and only 13 are in the list.......

https://imed.faimer.org/results.asp?country...e=Asia&psize=25

the process is long, and assuming you pass both parts at the first try, the entire process may take 2-3 years.....and once you have completed the process, you are just eligible to be registered as a medical practitioner......the exam is quite tough, and rarely, people pass at the first go.....and the pass rate for both sections is currently quite low, about 30-35%.....and the fees are not cheap....

to actually work, you will need to have a visa that allows you to work.....and that means you will also have to apply for one of the resident visas, there several types....whether you are eligible for a resident visa, you will need to do you own research, as each individual's circumstances is different....there are region/state sponsored visas, but they normally want experienced GP's with FRACGP....they want doctors to WORK....NOT to come in and get training....

monash msia mbbs is fully recognised by amc.....part of the course includes a 4 months attachment in oz hospital environment.....

therefore, if there is a houseman job offer for monash msia graduates, the hospital will sponsor them for a work visa, and they can go do housemanship in oz....and indeed, about 1/2 the 1st batch did get houseman jobs, mostly in regional victoria.....

this will of course change with time, as the houseman job shortage issues, and burgeoning onshore production play out....i know at least one from the second batch starting in shepparton next year......going forward, it might get more difficult.....

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Added on November 24, 2011, 11:40 pmas for application for pr, if the person has enough points, he can apply for the 885 anytime.....

the 2 year study onshore requirement is for the graduate visa (485), which allows graduates to stay on for 18 months to look for work, and decide if they want to migrate.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Nov 24 2011, 11:40 PM

imed has their own system and does not follow mmc.......

the purpose of the interview is not to determine your knowledge....

factual knowledge ability is known to the interviewers, based on your academic results....

reasoning, critical thinking, logic skills, iq etc are known also from the entrance tests like isat....

'real' interviews are to determine your communication skills, thought processes, current affairs knowledge, body language, and generally, behaviour under stressful situation.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Nov 26 2011, 08:27 AM

i will use this as basis for reply.....

1. you are guaranteed fy1 and 2 in uk, but not in oz......

2. with current communication media, where you are doesn't make much difference.....however, the time difference may make some impact......and actual travelling time is almost doubled for uk.....

3. oz weather trumps uk by a long way.....

4. quality of life is generally better in oz......

finally, the weather......uk is cold and damp all the time.....even in summer......eg, this year's summer is cold, and the temperature is the same as brisbane's winter!!.....

i normally see it this way, as far as doing medicine is concerned.....if you want good education, and a good chance for post graduate training, but have no intention of staying back, then uk is a good choice......

if you want a good education, and a chance to migrate to a better quality of life, and accept that post graduate training is difficult, and don't mind being a gp, then oz is the place......

only if you get into the system......ie, get a house job, and get a pr...

i think statistically, 40% of medical graduates get into specialist training......but if you consider the family practice as also a speciality, then practically everybody gets 'postgraduate' training......

in msia, the masters programme takes in 800 people a year now, up from 400 a few years ago.....but the numbers of housemans have increased from 2000+ to the current 6000+ over the same period.....that of course does not include those who take the royal colleges pathway......(medicine/paeds and o&g only, the surgical fellowship pathway is closed now)......

so yes, they are NOT wrong......

but like i said, you have to get into the system and get a pr first.......

looks like monash msia is having difficulty filling their places......they have even called people with very low isat results to the interview.......

current interviews are for monash msia.....the interviews for clayton was much earlier in june/july......and conditional offers out 2 weeks later......they also try to pin you down early.....

fy1 and 2 in uk are guaranteed, and comes under tier 4 visas......ie technically, it falls under the student category.....which then does NOT come under eu employment rules......

after fy's, if you get a job offer, you should get a tier 2 visa without difficulty.....the nhs and the doctors there do like to keep the international students trained there, as they fit into the system seamlessly......rather than img's with plab, or polish/hungarians etc with poor english......

relative still cannot decide what course to do......procrastination at it's best (or worst)....but imu-pms offer was rejected, as deadline means paying up, and that is non-refundable......i think crunch time will be when the year 12 results are released before christmas, and offers become firm.....

said relative is generally sensible, so other than providing the facts, will have to make own decision......

ipta is the answer.....get into matrik will increase her chance greatly........

candidates from the end of year a levels may be too late for their consideration.....

hmmmm.....why are you in mufy?.....i thought you have already a degree, and working......

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Added on December 2, 2011, 9:43 pmhmmmm again.....i thought you are working already in one of the med schools?.....

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Added on December 2, 2011, 9:45 pmand finally, hmmmmm again.....that sounds suspiciously like someone i know too.....only that person did NOT do a levels in uk......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Dec 2 2011, 09:45 PM

if i understand it correctly, the ivy league/oxbridge jpa scholarship is assured, if you have been accepted into these unis, and apply for it......

many people will not apply, because it comes with a 10 year bond, and current rules demands recipients repay the FULL amount paid, on default.....and oxbridge students will almost be guaranteed a job offer even before graduation, in the uk.......

yes.....

since um and ukm were recognised by smc in 2008, there has been an exodus of their graduates making a beeline to spore for housemanship, to the extend the dean on the ukm med school had to publicly go to the press to highlight the problem....

spore needs 500-600 new doctors a year....and produce 300 at the moment....the rest they steal from all over the world, traditionally msia, lately from india and china too.....

1/2 the doctors in mt elizabeth are msians.....so what do you think the opportunities are for non-sporeans?.....

nsw hsc results has been released, and vce will be released tomorrow......

sace/sam people will have to wait till 21st.....and poor wace/ausmat people on 29th!!