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post Mar 2 2012, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(Kaylain @ Mar 2 2012, 10:02 AM)
Be aware you don't need all the books on the booklist smile.gif Ask around and find out which ones you'll probably need in the long term
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that is very true....always check with seniors.....

medical books are very expensive.....
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post Mar 2 2012, 12:35 PM

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Kamal opposite KLGH have 'cheap' testbooks. They look like original, but many are 'reproductions'....

Buying online usually also come out cheaper than buying at the usual uni bookstores....

what to buy, best to talk to seniors of each uni.....there will be differences from uni to uni.....
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post Mar 5 2012, 06:42 PM

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i thought i have seen everything....but looks like not.....
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post Mar 6 2012, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Mar 6 2012, 10:59 AM)


It has been shown that medical graduates from Oxbridge and Edinburgh at least consistently outdo all the other universities in post-grad examinations.
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that is more an indication of the calibre of students selected, than any intrinsic superiority of the syllabus/teaching of the med school......

when up to 25% of a levels students get the aaa necessary for admission, there WILL be a significant difference between the ones at the 75th and 99th percentile......and that will show academically.... biggrin.gif
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post Mar 6 2012, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(tqeh @ Mar 6 2012, 06:33 PM)
I am not sure if this rating system is fair imho, the "english composition" has the most weightage in the rating system hence anyone with borderline passing rate, as long as you can crap your way out in english, you would probably score higher than a 99th centile student who is weaker in english (well, ie, people with english as their second language).
you may be surprised to know that non-native speakers often perform better at english testings....and many of the imu-pms students are actually very good at their english.....just as long as it is not spoken english..... smile.gif

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post Mar 6 2012, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(h3ll0 @ Mar 6 2012, 09:35 PM)
I'm afraid Kopitiam will give me improper replies no? I thought it's best to post here coz I would like to know from the students' experiences themselves (provided they've tried other brand than littmann sweat.gif )
If I ask the vendors of course they will only pinpoint all the good things  sad.gif
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stethoscopes are NOT and should not be fashion statements.....and if she is really a medical student, she has more important things to worry about than the colour of her stets.....and this is NOT a commodity where one 'tries' every brand there is...littmann is the gold standard, and practically all me med students will stick to it....
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post Mar 22 2012, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(arsengal @ Mar 22 2012, 01:58 PM)
Hello future doctors. I have a question here. I'm about to be a medical student soon. Because I'm taking A-Levels, I'm unlikely to apply for IPTAs. So my choice is now are IPTS universities. Between UCSI and Taylors medical school, which one is more recommended? I'm more towards UCSI now but I heard that the environment of study and the facilities are more well equipped at Taylors.
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that's a bit presumptive....even for the msian scenario.....
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post Mar 22 2012, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Mar 22 2012, 03:58 PM)
Quote from Axiata scholarship requirements:

"Application for the Young Talent Programme must be submitted to Axiata Group Berhad by the due date.

1.The applicant must be a Malaysian citizen or permanent resident of Malaysia.
2.The applicant must have a conditional offer from one of the listed universities in the types of degrees listed.
3.The applicant must have achieved at least 4 As in STPM, and a forecasted result of ABB in A Levels, 36 points in IB, 99% TER for South Australian Matriculation, a minimum 3.7 GPA for American Degree Programme or a 98% in International Canadian Pre-University.
4.The applicant must be proficient in English, and any other spoken and written languages are favourable.
5.The applicant must consistently display active participation in sports, clubs and societies, and/or the performing arts.
6.The offer is subject to terms and conditions in relation to the student’s performance in academic and extra-curricular activities. Successful candidates will be required to attend further assessments and interviews."

Look how unfair they rate STPM results against the other pre-u qualifications. Tougher exams but lesser recognition.

For those taking STPM and you are aiming for medic, pls take note of the equivalent.
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for some reason, a lot of weightage is placed on the a levels.....and reflects a lack of knowledge about the different public exams and their equivalence....what's with the 'at least 4a's at stpm'?.....people actually are mad enough to take 5 principles?.....

in terms of the number of students getting a minimum abb at a levels, it's equivalent to my estimate of atar 70 or so..... (17% gets aaa, ie atar equivalent 83 and above......) and they want atar 99?.....

like i said many times, the a levels is still the EASIEST exam to score, and get preferential selection.....
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post Mar 23 2012, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Mar 22 2012, 07:18 PM)
Limeuu, do you think the easier A levels would be a better bet for medic in oz compared with other oz pre-u notwithstanding the likely one year delay?
definitely...most still only want aaa (seems they haven't clued on to the a* yet)....

some people who gets aaa will be from maybe the 85%, and with an atar of 85, you will be prevented from even applying....but you will have a decent shot with aaa......they can't tell the difference between the atar85 and atar99 aaa's........


Added on March 23, 2012, 12:25 am
QUOTE(arsengal @ Mar 22 2012, 05:46 PM)
I did A-Levels with UCSI and I'm guaranteed a place with UCSI med school provided I didn't do something stupid during the interview in the upcoming month. Sorry I didn't state this earlier. But I'm also considering for Taylors or IMU. But practically my sponsor won't let me transfer to IMU unless I have a very strong reason for it, mostly because IMU costs a lot more.
Haha I have evidences to support that  smile.gif
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it's amazing how any med school can 'guarantee' admission.....

but this is bodohland, so anything goes....

many scholars earmarked for overseas 'did not fly', but get placements in ipts......so i supposed it's a formality.....even if ucsi and taylors are full, there's still aimst, mahsa, masterskill, allianze, cucms, even lincoln...... smile.gif

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post Mar 23 2012, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(arsengal @ Mar 23 2012, 12:37 AM)
I raged before about this matter. I was sponsored to do A-Levels which to my guess initially I was to be sent overseas, but the first day I started, they told me that I'm going to my undergraduate studies here locally. That was then, I guess now I'm okay with it. BUT if they are to send me to other ipts's then its going to be a rage festival again. You have any opinions about Taylors?
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many 'did not fly' not because jpa/mara retracted their offers.....but because they failed to qualify for a place in uk/oz for direct entry...

taylor's pms programme is dying......but i suppose their local programme cannot be any worse than say, lincoln.... smile.gif


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post Mar 24 2012, 12:45 AM

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traditionally, since the grave diggers and body snatchers days of the 18th century Scotland, anatomy is taught through the dissection of cadavers....

however, in recent times, cadavers have become difficult to find, and newer visual technology allows effective teaching of anatomy without physical cadavers....and many medical schools have moved towards such simulations.....

there has not been any difference in anatomy learning and knowledge with this change...

in recent years, there is also a move towards scaled down anatomy syllabus....the argument is, the majority of doctors need not have in-depth knowledge and familiarity with detailed anatomy....and those that do, can learn it when they are doing their postgraduate training....

sydney uni is trying out this new syllabus......not everybody agrees with this of course....

there is precedent in focused medical training....the us style residency (specialist) training has this focus method for years....us graduates specialise from internship, and while they are very good in their area, they are relatively weak in all other areas.....it works fine in their system.....the contrast is of course the broad based british system....where everybody is a broad generalist...before specialising down into a speciality.....

the question of whether a medical school uses cadavers or not, therefore, is of little importance....
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post Mar 26 2012, 09:08 AM

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the interview is with the uni.....

normally, when one makes a mistake, one just apologise, and not go dig a deeper grave for oneself.....

foreign 1st world med schools turn down scholars ALL the time....some ipts, eg imu, have turned down scholars who failed to make cut offs.,,,,,and dismiss some who flunk out.....
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post Mar 26 2012, 09:31 PM

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just wondering....how much does the timetables parallel each other....the two monash sites?.....
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post Mar 28 2012, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(DeanKueh @ Mar 28 2012, 07:22 PM)
Just wondering.. I just went for an interview in NUMed for medicine course. They said they will inform me the results . Is that a method of rejection or do I really have to wait for them to inform me the results of the interview?
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Why must you try to double guess them?.....if they tell you they will let you know, they will let you know lah....

you will NEVER get an offer on the spot after an interview.....if you do, the interview is a scam, and of no relevance to the selection process.....
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post Mar 28 2012, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Mar 28 2012, 08:25 PM)
Melaka Manipal will give you offer letter on the spot. Just type in name and print only.
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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 28 2012, 09:18 PM)
UCSI gave me my offer on the spot.. the offer letter need to wait for 2-3 weeks though..
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in these situation, the interview is NOT part of the selection process, but maybe to ascertain ability to pay, and make an offer, the decisions to offer is obviously made before hand, subject to confirmation of financial standing.

in REAL interviews, which is used in the selection process, it is semi structured, standardised, uniform for all, and graded. it will contribute to a overall marking system, which includes one or more of other components like results of tests (isat/umat/ukcat/bmat/etc), personal statements, references from existing teacher/tutor, pre-u results.......if they do NOT use interviews for selection (eg utas) they will NOT conduct it....

as can be obviously seen, offers CANNOT be made at the end of the interview, if it really is used to determine selection......as final selection can only be made when all information from all applicants are available....
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post Mar 28 2012, 11:43 PM

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a common qualifying exam would be politically unacceptable, and indeed, the proposal by mmc (which excludes local graduates from the exam, both ipta and ipts) was turned down by the cabinet..........

objections will arise from both sides....those from good unis do not want an additional barrier and do not see why they need to be tested.....those from bad unis also do not want, as maybe many will fail the exam....

and it will NOT address the problem of bad students locally, both public and private....

there are many other issues.....who will conduct the exam?.....are there enough resources?.....will it include clinicals? (no way moh will cope with clinicals for 3-4K a year)....how objective is the exam?......will it be abused like the clp exams?.....

not going to happen.....

there is an old saying.....prevention is better than cure.....

that is very much the case for this issue....unfortunately, we are not even at cure.....it's palliation at the moment...
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post Mar 29 2012, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Mar 29 2012, 02:39 PM)
If you can choose between doing a 5 yr undergrad medical course in either Australia (one of the Go8) or UK, (one of the russell group), which will you choose, under present known circumstances? What are the pertinent pros and cons?
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there is only one go8 5 year undergraduate medicine.... smile.gif

knowing the cost of that one, a russell group would be preferred..... biggrin.gif

however, if settling in oz is a BIG target, then take the chances and the cost with oz....

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post Mar 29 2012, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 29 2012, 10:15 PM)
When you mentioned those "already" in the system, i thought you meant MOs, specialists and consultants as well.  smile.gif

Anyway, the healthcare of this country is really screwed up, and the future is not bright for us medical professionals. Perhaps time to change profession  brows.gif
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i can suggest driving a taxi... tongue.gif

so how is doctoring measuring out?..... smile.gif tried the mrcp part 1 yet? thumbup.gif
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post Mar 31 2012, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(godofwar13 @ Mar 31 2012, 02:22 PM)
Why? I don't see why it matters. Are u an imu student? Or already an MO/HO?
There are locals who want to specialize in Sg and stay there (primarily ex-ASEAN) and those who PMS to Glasgow/Edinburg because they heard Sg prefers graduates from these unis. Granted, every1 wants to work overseas with the high pay and what not..but it's rather difficult right now due to the policies.
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it of course matters, as the imu mbbs is NOT recognised by smc.........


Added on March 31, 2012, 2:36 pm
QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 31 2012, 02:18 PM)
Just to share a story. A MO graduated from indon u prescribed diclofenac for patient with chief complaint of epigastric pain o_O

She is more senior to me btw.
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that is not entirely inappropriate.....surely it depends on the CAUSE of the symptom...? biggrin.gif

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post Mar 31 2012, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 31 2012, 02:42 PM)
Hmmm, burning pain at epigatrium, aggravated upon food intake, and you are telling me it is not entirely inappropriate to give voltaren?

btw as a practising surgeon as u claimed to be, u should know one of the most common cause of epigastric pain is gastritis.
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i can see that that belligerence when challenged has not changed...... smile.gif

the comment still stands with the updated history..... smile.gif

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