the more pertinent question, at his age is, not whether he can walk, but whether he will be around to see the graduation.....he is already 86.......

we are not wishing him ill.....but he IS 86.....so while we hope he will live to see the 1st batch graduating, we have to be realistic...

that aside, i do not think the jh arrangement is viable, at that price....it will only be able to run if the gov supports it by sending scholars there....making it a crony business, dependant on political money and patronage....

i also have serious doubts about the irish programme....

msia needs to downsize its medical education network to no more than 20 med schools, including both ipts and ipta....

generally, a rule of thumb to determine the number of medical schools needed, and the number of new doctors required (once steady state is reached) is one med school per 2 million population, and 100 medical students per million population....therefore, each med school have the optimal number of students per year, ie about 200....intakes of 50 or 100 is NOT efficient or cost effective.....

malaysia's population is about 32 million at the moment....so we only really need 16 medical schools and 3200 medical students per year.......we have 33 programmes and an estimated 5000 new medical students per year....half of which are from overseas....mainly russia, egypt and indonesia......

that is gross misuse of money and effort, to go through medical school, and then NOT use their knowledge and skills after....

the tongue in cheek reply above not withstanding, in the near future, many doctors may HAVE to venture into other areas, as there will be not enough jobs.....

the jobs suggested above are still slightly relevant to medical graduates.....but some may eventually have to become taxi drivers....like in some countries....

how long can private unis continue to bleed money?....how long before they compromise quality to cut cost......?

or have they already?......

please note that it is the COUNCIL that has registration powers and function, NOT the association......

there you are.....still worthwhile applying......

although i must say, it's a bit strange, that they accorded recognition in 2008, when the 1st intake is only in their 2nd year....must be something to do with imu's arrangement with them......

smc does not recognise them, nor jcu......

not sure if money is an issue.....

but do note that unsw fees are 60k/year X 6........

uws is 43k/year X 5years......

the difference can buy a reasonable house in kv........

especially if returning to msia is on the cards.........

so how's son's application gojng?.....

or, if i connect the dots correctly, he is also a forumer here?.....

cheapest is newcastle at 38k/year.........

adelaide is 52k.......X6

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 16 2011, 02:47 PM

it is also 60k/year for melbourne for 4 years, after 3 years of b.biomed at 30k/year.........

in spite of such crazy fees, there appears to be no shortage of applicants......although i understand melbourne has seen a drastic drop in international interest with their 'melbourne model'.....

you can do the same in uk for HALF this total fees........

btw, is your utas fees locked for the 5 years?

uk is cheap at the moment.....

fees about 80k-120k pounds.......

add 30-50k for expenses.......

if you choose the right uni, it can be done for just a bit over 100k pounds......or rm1/2 million at current favourable enchange rates........some med schools fees are quite cheap....

uk pre clinical fees are cheaper, usually about 2/3 of clinical......

the certificates are the same.....but the transcripts will obvious state which campus......and where a differentiation is made (eg, smc, gmc) they WILL ask for transcript.........

uwa took their last undergraduate cohort in 2011......and from next year 2012, it will be postgraduate entry........i wouldn't call graduate entry medicine as 'melbourne model', as many graduate entry med schools precedes it.....including flinders, the first in oz.........

unlike melbourne however, they are not taking a 2 year gap in intake, so will proceed with 65 places intake next year........that means there will be 2 cohorts graduating in2015 and 2016, from the 2010 and 2011 undergraduate programme, and the 2012 and 2013 graduate entry programme respectively........fees for 2012 is 48k......

may not be so bad lah......

only 5 out of 65 places for international students in 2012.......uwa does NOT have a large international student intake, unlike some others like uq and unsw.......

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Added on September 18, 2011, 8:44 pmuea is a new med school (ie 3rd gen) based in the town of norwich.........it adopts a full integrated approach, therefore there is clinics from year 1........

the down side, besides lack of recognition, is that the fees is the same throughout the 5 years, and thus works out significantly more expensive than some traditional programme ones.........

as for smc, they have their own mind, and policies, and often that is not related to the quality of the medical programme......eg, there was a point in the past when smc only recognised 2 aussie med schools, melbourne and sydney..........and 5 uk ones, oxbridge, edinburgh, glasgow, and the london schools....... and that wasn't too long ago.....actually 2003!

smc has NOT so far recognised any of the 3rd gen uk med schools, or any of the new aussie ones either (with the notable exception of anu).....so whether they will or not, well......if the possibility to work in spore is important, avoid the new generation med schools.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 18 2011, 08:44 PM

if one starts today, it will be 2019 or 2020 before one is ready to consider moving to work in spore.....and it is possible they may again delete some med schools from recognition....

the reason for the relaxation in 2003 was a shortage of junior and intermediate rank doctors......this shortage is likely to be addressed when the ntu/imperial medical school starts producing graduates around that time.......

short answer is yes....but unlikely....

oz grads are international medical graduates (img), same as from msia, india etc...

you will need to sit for plab, and they assume you have completed housemanship.......

if you pass, and you have not done housemanship, it is possible to get a fy1 job, but the chance is quite small......i think everyone who sits for the plab will have done their housemanship in their respective countries already....

it makes no sense to complete medical studies in oz, and go to uk for housemanship....might as well go direct to uk.....cheaper.....and easier to enter.....

if you are consider this as a hedge against the possibility of not getting an internship place in oz, i would think it is a dangerous thing to rely on......

having a recognised postgrad exempts you from plab......and there are many australian doctors on work/holidays in uk.........a relative who is an oz trained radiologist now working part time for a australian radiology reporting company based in uk.........they do emergency reporting for aussie hospitals after hours, when it is office hours in uk........

aussie grades used to be fully registrable in uk, as is the reciprocal arrangement.......some years ago, oz de-recognised uk degrees, and uk did the same, thus requiring oz grades to do plab.......

relations have warmed up again lately, and oz now recognises uk degrees under the competent authority pathway....and gmc is supposed to do the same for oz degrees......but i have not been able to find any more information about how this will work......

'e-learning' is not the right word for this....

most modern unis, and newer medical education systems have moved from the lecture based didactic style to a more interactive tutorial system, with guided but self/group directed problem based learning......

this applies to all courses, not just medicine......eg, in most aussie unis, contact hours is average 4-5 per subject, so students taking the usual 4 subjects per semester will have an average total contact hours of 16-20/week.....half of this will be tutorials.....some squeeze this into 3 days, and the other 4 days a week they are free!.....

msian students used to the usual didactic education system always complains about 'poor' teaching in these places....'in spite of paying so much money'.....they expect to be spoon fed......

matched students from imu-pms to canada are NOT allowed to continue to complete internship in canada itself.....but with usmle step 2, they can do so in the us......

onelove, utas uses the old system of medical education (it's a very old med school), although they have recently revamp the syllabus.......there will therefore be significant didactic teaching, especially in the 1st 2 years........

many med schools try to bridge the dryness of the pre-clinical years by early clinical exposure, clinical correlation content, and some amount of intergrating and pbl learning....

newer med schools have gone completely integrated, and some have significant clinical correlation from year 1....although my personal opinion is, without the necessary basic knowledge, clinics often fails to be useful for most students....

cckkpr, which med school are you in?....