this has nothing to do with personality.....

i gather you will be quite happy to let mis-information florish here then......as it does in k.......

@ relentless....

i usually will not respond to a post like this......

but i will use this as an example of nonsense posted sometimes.....

all i can say is huh? say what?

if you can decipher the above, please enlighten me......

thank you for understanding.......

however, i am not as peeved at english issues as at wrong information/opinions bandied here as facts.....

i understand the majority of msian students nowadays have difficulties with english, no thanks to the flip flop government policies......and like i said, i usually let it slide.....unless it is grotesquely deficient, or when english assessment results are are proudly used to support the 'correctness' of what is obviously bad english.........

the more languages you know, the better off you are.....

the best histories are those taken in the patient's own language.......much is lost in translations......

some technical terms, it is useful to know in other languages, but it is of limited use, as many will not understand what you are saying......

but for effective communication between healthcare personnels, especially between doctors (hand overs, referrals), good english with precise terminologies is absolutely necessary....

that is pretty much par for the msian course.........

how do you think the malay doctors communicate with the older chinese and tamils?.....

or the chinese/indian doctors communicate with the natives of borneo?.....

using translators is often better than attempting to elicit a defective history through pidgin malay/sign language..........

clinical students locally will know msians are notorious for being poor historians....imagine if you add language difficulties into this......

'translators' in msia means the nearest nurse/orderly/medical assistant/amah/cleaner/relative/bystander who speaks the lingo.........

you have been in oz too long......

as you can see, all the problems of 30 years ago is now compounded many times over.....

fyi, the last recognised batch graduated in 1989......no remedial action was taken after the gmc review of 84, and the last intake recognised was the class of 84/89.......

there is no need to beat about the bush.....the reason why gmc derecognised the um degree was the intake policy was diluting the standards......because of the nep......

the article did also implied this....basically, by the late 70's, there was a quota, and 60% of places was reserved for malays, who enter not through hsc (former stpm) but through asasi sains (similar to matrik), from mce (former spm)......people with results like DEE in hsc was taken into asasi sains for a year and then given a place in edicine.....

for a while, they attempted to conduct the course in bm......some text books were translated, and lecture notes were in malay.....lecturers were forced to conduct lectures and tutorials in malay.....it didn't last very long, as it was very difficult, text books new editions came out in a few years, it was impossible to keep the translations up.....

another concern the gmc voiced was the was academic staff was appointed, there was shortage, but more pointedly, many junior staffs were appointed to senior positions over much more senior staffs.....the founder dean tj danaraj fought this practice hard, and eventually resigned in protest......and went on to saudi arabia to found another med school.....

as you can see.......nothing has changed the last 30 years.....if anything, things has grown worse......

the creeping mediocrity then was of great concern......

mediocrity is now the norm.....few appears perturbed at how mediocre med schools are in msia.....

didn't know rates get dengue fever?......

isn't that a contradiction in itself?........

it is misleading because the study shows an increase in platelets....nothing to do with dengue.....

if you do not know what i am talking about, go google dengue and learn how dengue kills.......

go read and understand surrogate markers....

i presume you have an offer?....what's the conditions?.....

onelove is studying there, so he should be able to tell you everything.......

what's the minimum they want?

they didn't state specifically a cut off?......

and it is unusual for medical offers before results are out in the past.....maybe they have less applicants nowadays, what with the kind of fees they are charging........

there is no isat cut off.......they usually have a scoring system, marks for isat, projected atar, interview (those unis who do interviews), and then pick off the top x number to offer.....so poor isat scores can be compensated by high atar......

but since you are on shore, aren't you supposed to do umat?

yes, of course it is a conditional offer, since you have not got your final results.......atar 95 (or your equivalent, ?trinity?) should not be difficult to get.......

yes utas is the cheapest, and only 5 years, so it is significantly cheaper than unsw and adelaide........

problem is, it's not (yet) in both msia and spore's recognised uni list....

i think the fees are a bit more than utas.....and living cost will be significantly more........

it's actually the 1sem fees plus the oshc of $2520.....

it's only a conditional offer, and they don't tell you what that condition is.....so it's a bit sneaky of them, they want to lock you in, before offers from other unis come out.........knowing full well they will always loose out to the big boys like monash and unsw........

of course, they promise you a full refund should they deem you not fit after the release of the year 12 results.....while the website states a minimum of 95, they do NOT tell you if that will be your target, or they have a higher cutoff......

but the danger is, someone rejects other offers, thinking they have got utas, and then gets rejected.....

if you withdraw after they confirm an offer, more than 1 month before commencement, they will still refund you 90% of the fees........

i should add that utas fees is the 2nd cheapest, after newcastle.......monash is a whooping $18k more a year!!!

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 10 2011, 10:40 PM

monash offers for off shore applicants was out last month.....

but looking at their fees, some people will have to think twice.....

the other thing is, most unis don't lock their fees nowadays, it increases yearly, supposedly indexed to inflation, although recent increases were obviously NOT inflation levels......

but it appears utas is locking theirs.......they clearly stated the total fees for 5 years is $205k......which is reassuring.....

yes.....