Earthquake in Padang...

med students studying in Universitas Andalas came back home via TUDM aircraft...

http://www.unand.ac.id/id/index.php?pModul...=home&pAct=view

feel sorry for them... their training hospital in rubble... well, what can I say... God work in mysterious ways / shit happens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WagQW-2WBVw

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...5721&sec=nation

Our lecturers used to say, they'll only get a Littman stet during their graduation day. And nowadays, every medical student's hanging a littman around their collar. lol.

I want to ask... If a medical student who finished his/her studies, but later could not finish housemanship, what options does he/she have? What post-graduate studies could one get into without clinical experience?

You need to finish your housmanship - otherwise you will not be registered with MMC = Cannot practice as a medical doctor in Malaysia.
Just finish the housemanship~

Be a pharmaceutical salesperson.

there are some doctors like that........either by choice or by necessity.......options include medical directors in pharma co, medical school lecturers, medical advisor in insurance co, etc.......as long as you do not come in contact with and treat patients.......

What if someone just does not want to practice as a doctor at all? I mean after 5 years of med school, realising that practising as a doctor is not what they want to be...

If you're not registered with MMC, are you not qualified to be called a doctor?

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Added on October 10, 2009, 11:54 amMedical school lecturers doesn't require clinical experience? How about those in medical departments? Those need clinical exposure...

I mean, can someone with a MBBS or MD go venture into studies of other fields? For example, taking up post-grad studies in biochemistry, molecular biology, chemistry, etc...

And why some Masters in Medicine require clinical exposure of housemanship for 2 years? Eg would be MMed in Pathology, Chemical Pathology, Microbiology & Parasitology..

This post has been edited by nicodemus88: Oct 10 2009, 11:54 AM

Lets take an example of my father's colleague...

A friend of my father has an MD from UKM, but instead of working as a medical doctor, he quits MOH and took KPLI (Kursus perguruan lepasan Ijazah) way-back in the 80's and joined the MOE instead and became a secondary school teacher.

After several years of service as a teacher, he was then promoted to become a science lecturer in IPG (formerly known as Maktab Perguruan Gaya/Gaya teacher's training college) in Sabah (mid-90's) where he met my father. He served there for several more years and did his masters and is now a secondary school principle.

He didn't use the "Dr." title during his service under MOE until now.





I assume that he felt it is inappropriate for him to use the "Dr." title as in "Medical Doctor" title since he did not practice medicine.
If I am in a similar situation, I would also discard the "Dr" title knowing that I am not practicing medicine for which the title is supposed to be given to a practicing medical practitioner.
Those who holds PhDs are about the only group of people that are referred to as "Dr" in MOE.

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Oct 10 2009, 01:04 PM

you can call yourself a dr. if you have a medical degree, registration is only to actively practice medicine........but like said, some people may feel it is inappropriate to be called dr. when they do not practice medicine........

you can teach anatomy, physiology etc, ie the clinical sciences........and there are lots of expatriate lecturers (burmese, indians mostly) in ipta and ipts med schools who are not registered with mmc, ie they are NOT allowed to see patients, but they can teach.........

you can continue postgraduate in other non clinical medicine fields like you said.......but if you want to do postgraduate in clinical medicine specialties, including lab based ones, you will need full registration.........

Not allowed to see patients?? You sure about this? Indian national lecturers in my college are seeing and touching the patients daily. Heck, they even conduct ward rounds with the housemen in Melaka GH.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Oct 12 2009, 06:00 PM

'see patients' means to treat, as in a patient doctor relationship.........

you will need to know if they are registered to practice medicine in msia with the mmc........if they are, then of course they can see patients........

Read my post properly, i said "conduct ward rounds with the housemen". If you are not allow to treat, how can you conduct ward round with housemen writing down whatever you said in the case note?

BTW, most foreign lecturers teaching clinical subjects should have registration with the MMC. It doesn't make sense for a non-practicing doctor to teach at bedside, does it?

if they are registered, then no issues.......so what's the fuss? i don't know if they are, that is why i asked.........

there are expat clinical lecturers who are NOT registered, and they just teach......they take no part in the management of patients......they are NOT interested in clinical work or calls.....they are not paid extra for that......most of them are quite old, so they are like semi retired, just concentrate on teaching........

Biochemistry Ques:
"need ya guys help n thx"

Vitamins A and D are usually prescribed in doses that satisfy several weeks' requirement for these vitamins. on the contrary vitamins of group B have to be taken every day. why is it so?

I know B is water soluble..A n D are fat soluble..maybe fat soluble vitamins are able to store in body while excess of water soluble vitamins are flushed out through urine..?!

There you have it.~ those water soluble vits don't hang-out in the body long~

You ever tried eating vit.B complex capsules and after a few hours you see your urine "magically" turned "Golden yellow" in color?

not to mention Vit D can be produced in the skin!

MMMC 8th sem. =)

Hey guys, some questions for u all.

Myocardial infarction may cause pain radiating to chest, left arm, left jaw and abdomen. So,

1. why the pain commonly radiates to left side of arm but not right?
2. dermatomes of jaw and upper arm are C2 and C5/T1 respectively. Since pain fibers of heart enter T1-T5 spinal segment, why would C2 of jaw and C5 of arm be affected?

This post has been edited by Aeiou11: Oct 26 2009, 04:35 AM

1. the heart is situated on the left of the thoracic cavity.

2. they somehow shares the same dermatome/ common pathways, so if the pain is intense enough it tends to radiate to the jaw. Mild pain don't radiate to the jaw.

1. So heart is only innervated by pain fibers from left dorsal part of spinal cord?

2. I dun understand what u meant. They share the same dermatome?? What are they? As i said jaw is C2 and arm is C5/T1. They don't share the same dermatomes. The sensory fibers enter C2 and C5/T1 spinal cord don't they? While heart pain fibers enter T1-T5 spinal segment. Is it because those dermatomes overlap?