hasn't happen yet, so don't count your chickens yet.....

in any case, msian med schools with graduate entry programmes is not new, ie, jh is not the first.........imu has a graduate entry pathway to graduate entry pms (previously uq, now includes anu, warwick, sydney and melbourne) for a long time now....

these are all related to foreign med schools, to comply with their graduate entry system..........

let's see if a home grown msian med school will ever take this pathway........

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Added on September 26, 2010, 10:30 pmthere will be no 'specialised programmes'........i am not aware of any american uni with branch campuses in other countries conducting board certification there......

ie, board certification is a process.....not a course of study........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 26 2010, 10:30 PM

increasing the total number of doctors does not help rural under service....as is evidenced in many countries, including australia.....

rotation does not work.....people posted to rural stations are usually junior doctors soon after housemanship (2-3 years seniority).....by the time they are 4-5 years seniority, they are either in some post graduate programme or in private practice, so cannot be rotated to rural areas any more....

urban-rural divide cuts through all aspects of human life, not just health care, and is a problem faced by ALL countries (with the exception of 'dot' countries like spore and hksar.....

they are scraping the bottom of the 'rich' barrel.....so not only do they take in very weak students......they need to entice them with iphones.....

we have reached new lows in education.....

i suggest you all do your maths carefully....15k extra doctors by 2020 means 10 years from now, ie, 1.5k doctors a year. assuming half of the new doctors leave the public sector (lately, it's less than 1/2), you will need 3k/year.......

even at least years production numbers, this number is already exceeded........this year and the next few years, based on the numbers currently studying medicine, between 4k-5k new doctors will start work.....if we take the lower figure of 4k, and 2k stays on in the moh, the number of 15k will be reached by 2017, or earlier if the numbers graduating increases.......

you don't turn off a med school like a tap.....they will continue to churn out doctors, and there will not be enough jobs for them....

this scenario is real.....

as for the masses coming back from overseas.....the majority will be from russia, which is cheaper than local ipts med schoosl.....

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Added on October 6, 2010, 12:39 pm1. those standing by are likely medical students........

2. it is well proven, more doctors does NOT necessary improve services, nor improve quality (the reverse is the case when quality is compromised)..........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Oct 6 2010, 12:39 PM

foreign cheaply trained doctors(russia, indonesia, bangladesh, other unrecognised places) will not decrease, unless either the cost goes up significantly, or the gov de-recognise them (like they did for crimea), so expect another 1k-2k/year from out of msia....

you wouldn't believe the hoohaa and protests after crimea state university was de-recognised.......especially from the indian community and mic........

i think people should realise that a certain part of the population, and many politicians, actually WANT easy access to cheap medical production line that is recognised in msia..........ie, easy to get in with lousy results, cheap, easy to pass, and fully recognised.....

they are not bothered about standards and quality.....the standard argument is the 'passion over ability' justification.....

'pakar bedah' is not 'heart surgeon'..........

going for interview and not even know what the 'medic line'?......

they used to admit them for the intensive first 2 months daily therapy..........

and there was an old regime of biweekly medications, which is served at the clinic under supervision.....if they failed to turn up, the village health team goes looking for them.....

things have changed somewhat nowadays......

current standard therapies are all available in the net.....

like i said, it's all on the net......local or 'international'.....actually, no matter where you are, the standard regimes don't differ much.....

isn't it interesting that the last 2 entries appears to give the completely opposite picture of the situation..........

i see this sort of thing all the time.......like the old saying, there is a fool born every minute........most of them loose their money through scams.....

some loose their lives........

communication skills IS a subject in some medical schools.....mostly in the western world........it's partly driven by patient needs, but mostly by medicolegal implications, especially in the consent taking process......

having said that, the reason why people try alternative cures is NOT because the doctor failed to convey the information of diagnosis, but that many people do NOT really trust modern medicine, they know fully well what's wrong with them, like in this case above....

from a medico-legal point of view, in some countries, patient who refused recommended treatment will also need to sign a disclaimer.........

no........the persons background health belief system will usually decide what they do........you must understand modern medicine (what many mistakenly refer to as 'western' medicine) is just one of several broad health belief systems......and considered no superior to the other systems.....

she is just being nice.....most modern medicine doctors tries NOT to antagonise these alternative health system beliefs, for fear they will loose the patient........

however, there are some doctors, in spite of being trained in modern evidence based medicine, still hold on to their original belief system they grew up in.....

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Added on December 6, 2010, 8:17 pmgo to the imu thread.........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Dec 6 2010, 08:17 PM

india medical programmes are more expensive nowadays, partly because of higher quality, especially the top tier ones, and partly because of restricted places allowed for foreigners enforced by the indian gov.......

some med schools side step this issue, by having programmes that cater for the foreigners only, which is of course not recognised by the indian regulatory bodies........

others do the same, but 'twinning' or joint venture with other foreign education establishments.....eg, masterskill and msu programmes........

this produce a strange situation where degrees awarded are NOT recognised in the country that awards them!!!......

that is why some countries insist that any degree MUST be fully recognised in the country of award, to be accepted and allowed to sit for qualifying exams.....

like i said above, higher tier med schools in india is actually more expensive than the new home-grown ipts.........

why not go to india?.......because getting into the better ones is actually DIFFICULT, in some cases, as tough as oz or uk.........try get into aiims.....

cyber, yes, i know about the strange usm arrangement.......though i can't say i know the rationale for this.........if usm thinks they can ride the 'reputation' of jhcm to apex 'world class' status, they are sadly mistaken....

that's another reason why i don't think usm's apex status will produce anything significant.........

i can think of so many ways which they can produce world class standards in medicine and health care, with the special funding they get as well as freedom to choose the best students.........but they have not bothered........i see their philosophy still very much nep based, instead of excellence based.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Dec 16 2010, 05:44 PM

disease patterns are different in different countries.......

3rd world countries tend to have poorer health care, neglect, and more gross pathologies due to delays in diagnosis and treatment......

on the other hand, those trained in the 1st world are better in picking early symptoms of diseases, with better diagnostic and therapeutic options at their disposal........