it will make little difference, few will bother.....

anyone who has worked 10 years elsewhere would either be at junior consultant level, or near the end of their specialist training.........and have steady jobs and right of abode......and thus professionally, not bother to return......

the only situations i foresee where people may take advantage of this, are those who need to return for family reasons, or those who cannot fit in/find long term jobs overseas........

this i don't understand........can someone who can think like a politician explain this to me?..........

in any case, it comes to the same 4 years, iike before they increased the housemanship to 2 years...

and also this is in preparation for the expectation glut in doctors in 4-5 years time..........the gov need NOT have to provide employment for junior doctors after 4 years, like they have to within the h/0 and compulsory service period...........

he didn't say 'come back'..........he said 'remain'...........

i really worry about non english speaking countries conducting english medium med studies targeted at international, mostly 3rd world students........

there is only one reason for this........to milk these students of their willingness to pay high fees.......and since these students as a rule, almost never stay back in these countries to work, the competency of these new doctors is not a concern for them..........thus a lenient admission and graduating policy.........

not really.........msia has always been seen as an english using country, as part of the former british empire, and member of the commonwealth.........just like spore, hk, india are all considered countries that has a tradition of english usage.........

in addition, the courses for training the local population use english as well, ie there are NO double stream.......

the same cannot be said about russia/ukraine/poland/czech republic............

jpa 'approval' has NOTHING to do with the quality of a course or qualification..........

gov send scholarship students because it is a cheap place......again that has nothing to do with quality.......

i implied nothing about the relationship between cheap and quality.........

your implication is that russia must be good because the gov send scholarship stuidents there.........i am correcting that error by pointing out they choose russia because it is one of the cheapest place.......

consider this......they still send the TOP scholarship students (yes, even under scholarships, there are ranking) to uk and oz.........at 4 times the cost of russia.........why?..........

you are contradicting yourself........

maybe you should just say you make a mistake and move on, instead of trying to defend an erroneous opinion and attempting to justify it.........

the mohe just yesterday declared a freeze on new nursing schools.........that is timely......

they should also do the same for med schools........and should review the number of foreign med schools, and the numbers of msians they take in every year..........

but i am not holding my breath.......too much politics and vested interests......

if there is free movement of manpower, people naturally move to places with higher pay/better work conditions/better style of living/better future......this happens all over the world, eg mexicans in us, africans in europe, polish in uk etc.........

the barrier that stops this is usually immigration and registration barriers.......when these barriers are removed or relaxed, people movement will inevitably occur.......this has happened for many years already...........how many msian are working in spore?........including doctors who graduated from overseas unis recognised by singapore, ie from uk and oz/nz..........and actually including um, which although was previously not officially recognised, has always been defacto recognised by spore on a case to case basis since the 1st batch of the um med school in '69............

after they officially recognised um and ukm 2 years ago, they have officially open the flood gate, and hence the large number of people moving to work in spore.........

a simple way out is to follow what spore did from the 70's, ie automatically and compulsorily offer a scholarship to all who registered for a critical course, with a bond, say 7 or 10 years.......that will slow some of the exodus somewhat.......it is not difficult to do this......those who are in ipta will know, when you get your fees invoice, the full course fee is stated, with the subsidy and the amount payable clearly stated........just consider that subsidy portion (about 90%) as a scholarship.......

the impact is, the 'better' students/new doctors are the ones who prefer to go to spore.........

some however will see this as problem drain and removal of competition......

looks like the czechs have discovered a source of easy money.......msians willing to pay money top dollar to study medicine ......

i wonder how taylors' new medicine programme will do, when people find they can go direct to czech med schools easily to do medicine, at about the same cost........

actually, it's 'your engrund is powderful'...........

def means that, of all the subjects learnt in spm, not much is of relevance in medical studies, except for chemistry, where such knowledge is useful, not only in undergraduate medical studies, but for postgraduate as well..........

i think.....

recognition is by university...........not by country.........

if that is a true reflection on the ability and calibre of students, that is frightening.......

ucsi selection process is already very lax, so if these ex-indon med schools students can hardly pass ucsi assassment, what standards are they?.........

ibrahim is talking about the REAL spore ns..........not the summer camp msia one.........

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Added on June 27, 2010, 5:49 pmthere are plenty of sporeans who are doing medicine at imu-pms...........about 4-6 per batch.......it's a cheaper way to a sma recognised degree, and also a back door for some who failed to get direct entry into the respective unis..........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jun 27 2010, 05:49 PM

the process to get into monash is more difficult, you need good isat grades, and they take the interview seriously.......

imu is easier, as all they want is reasonable pre-u grades, and come and say 'hello, i have got money' at the interview..........

the cut off academic grades for monash is higher, but imu's is not that far off, in some batches.........

for ibrahim, if he wants to possibly return to spore and work, he should forget monash msia, as it is not recognised by smc...........

imu seremban stream awards the mbbs (imu), and is only recognised in 2 countries in the world..........msia and sri langka.........