michael and saprozeldo,

maybe we can group purchase.
im staying in puchong which the shop i mentioned is beside the giant bandar puteri.
if interested drop me a pm.

Ronn77,
I went to the shop you mentioned, they quoted me RM6000 for TV only, plus another 1068 for 5 years warranty.

no problem..email me at lim.tenghui@gmail.com

Just came back again from viewing the TV, again. My mission this round was to compare the blacks as 1 brother here commented that the 650 have deeper blacks than the 550. I tried very hard to play "spot the difference" between the 2 models, but I have to say that unless U look very very very hard, both model's blacks are virtually the same. The only time U can see a difference is when there is a very dark background, like a person's black coat or jacket. (spotted this in the Samsung breakdance demo clip in 1 of the guy's black jacket in the background). That was the only scene I could see the difference and again it is very hard to spot. U have to deliberately look for it to see the difference. In the other Samsung demo scenes, the cartoon and also Soundstage, I couldn't tell any difference at all. End up I spotted the more natural skintones on the 650, without even looking hard for it...Like I said, must be my peasant eyesight.

BTW, Alan is not around today. Got some super leng lui promoter instead.

a good demo spot on blacks is the david foster BD..

when he's playing on the piano, his black suit, you can see the difference in blacks between the lapels and the main suit.. made of different black materials..

MPYW's calibrated 50inch Kuro on day ISF settings, show's the black suit's different materials superbly..

B650 gives a better black than B550 under bright room condition due its AR coating.
Btw I saw Panasonic Z and V series in person. It was .
By all means, elites with fat wallet can consider Z series. It's a piece of fine art

Those 2 TVs I saw were in super bright conditions, already very hard for me to spot the difference. In home environment with controlled lighting I'm not sure how much edge the 650 will have over its lower sibling.

maybe need to reserve comment after calibration leh?

Obviously the best comparison would be after both have gone through ISF calibration, but what are the chances of that? :roll:

Want to find the B650 in Penang also have to wait until the cows come home liao...

by that time got B650 replacement liao..

chewkl,

Actually, black levels differences are clearer in dim lit/dark environment. In bright environment, your iris closes quite a bit, thus the black level differences cannot be seen so clearly. In dim/dark environment, your iris is wide open, thus the blacks become dark grey. Thats why black levels become important when viewed in dimly lit/dark environment. Another way to "cheat" the iris to enhance black levels is to use a bias lighting behind the display (for fixed panels only). This way you force your iris not to open too much thus having washed up blacks.

So, in essence, if you can spot black level differences in a showroom environment, the difference is greater in your home.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Sep 21 2009, 05:03 PM

Reix,

You must hard bargain with him and tell him that you getting a much lower price at other shop and they will started to move the prices lower to match your targeted level.

Thanks for the explanation bro. The white light behind the TV (poor man's ambilight), I thought that was the recommended way to watch these fixed panel displays. Now I know it is used to cheat. (No wonder my 50" fishtank very nice with the white light behind (for my peasant eyes lah)).

is it ok to view this 50inch if the distance is around 10-11 feet ?

The white light behind the display is the recommended way to watch fixed panel displays. By cheat, I mean it enhances black levels.

bro anfieldude

what is fixed panel displays or (for fixed panels only). ?

i look forward to cheat my own iris

This post has been edited by sunnyK: Sep 22 2009, 11:48 AM

plasma and LCDs.. (and OLEDs)

ar.....ok

luckily my CRT are un-fixed many months ago

ar188 has answered. Let me be clear abt this "cheat" thing. The improvement is perceived improvements in black levels, however, there is no actual improvement in black levels. CRT is also fixed panel.

sorry ya, taiko/sifu..

FPD means flat panel displays..

(CRT not inside this catagory)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_panel_display