avoid samsungs

ronaldjoe,

Image retention is a definate problem with 2009 Sammys. Pls take the necessary caution.

That is the major problem with plasma tv especially LG and Samsung.  I think panasonic plasma don't have this problem.

Cons on this unit...

- BUZZING freaking annoys me. If you have a small apartment like mine, the buzzing is really bad.

- Not as bright as LCDs. Somehow brightness during daylight looks faded. Especially fullscreen whites looks like grey.

- Screen flicker on bright spots/areas. Worst when PC mode.

- Hot.

- Astro PQ looks blurred. No problems with DVD or HD but Astro on 50' 1080p is too much. Better to stick to 720p plasmas  where the upscaling do not need to stretch so much.

All the above problems I believe are inherit in Plasma technologies in general.

Now the good:
- Black levels
- Color accuracy

Both I can never tune it to match the Plasma compared to LCD. Typical LCD color accuracy and black levels are off.

I actually turn off all artificial processing to get the best results. No Dark enhancements, dynamic contrast, no sharpness, etc.

Avoid this if you watch Astro most of the time. This plasma only make justice on higher resolution feeds (DVD and above)...

@ronaldjoe

You seem to be happy with the Samsung B650, but why do you say the Panny V will be better? Any experience with it?

From what I read, the V should be no different than the G except for the THX Mode. But that would be useless anyway as the G in asia has more adjustable pro options for calibration.

Yes it is. It's fine during low lighting situations (after 6pm). Daylight watching seems dimmer.

No complains on fast moving pictures at all. No ghosting whatsoever. Again, easiest to test by dragging window. However, horizontal bleeding seems to be a major problem. Eg, scrolling text / credits will exhibit image bleeding. That annoying as well.

oohh.. image retention is burn in.. hhehehe.. how stupid of me.

But I heard Samsung got some anti burn in technology, something with moving pixels for static images... this don't work?

Agreed with you totally. My 8th gen Kuro had no retention issue at all. The orbiter really works! I did not even do proper burn in. Out of the box, it's been working like a horse and the picture is getting better everyday. If you mampu to pay 6000 for a korean plasma, might as well top up 2000+ more and get 508XG... guaranteed you will smile upto your ears 

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Added on August 5, 2009, 1:46 pmThe last time i try out an LG plasma, i see image retention after leaving a still image on the screen for a min or so.  That is too bad.  I can accept if we get retention after leaving a still image on the screen for a long period of time like 30mins or 1hr but not when only after a few minutes.

For me i can try to avoid having any still image on the screen but there is too many programs that have channel logo and especially gaming which have hud that might cause permanent burn-in.

I hope the those new samsumg plasma owners can provide more info regarding how prone is the new set to burn-in

Hi, bro, mind to share with us by post some pictures 

I saw an older B450 sammy in senQ and i thought the PQ was excellent - solid contrast, deep black and nice color. I bet B650 must be much much nicer. Somehow the Panasonic displays there were all "grey" and even worst, the color was a bit orangish. Why Panasonic is like that ah?

@ that price is would be a f@rking steal!!! (assuming its a new and not demo unit)

I saw 1 unit at the Kuching.  Price is around RM4,XXX.  At MJC.

Panasonic plasma is still more reliable & durable than other brands    So did you regret on the purchase of Samsung plasma?

I read in the spec their plasma have an anti burn in features... was this enable?

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Added on August 7, 2009, 12:09 am
aiks... there goes my 50"... ahaha

Image retention is bad especially on white materials. Leave anything bright for 2 minutes and it's there.

However, it goes off quite quickly, within 20mins or so.

But the equation seems wrong. 2 minutes enjoyment, 20 minutes suffering.

Also quite annoyed with the buzzing. I'm sitting 6 feet away and i can hear it very loud. Any low volume / cut scene (when watching horror flicks before they scare the shit out of you) etc, definitely can hear it. Potong steam.

Quite a disappointment, if you ask me....

Get white snake or any shielded power cable. Will improve PQ. Even normal TV channel also got improvement.