Sometimes I just wish people discussed about the topic in hand, and not nitpick at tiny details that provide minimal or even absolutely no relevance in the discussion.

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You have just proven me right, matey! =) Hah hah hah!
Omega-3 fatty acids (n-3 FA) are essential.
n-3 is just another way of saying Omega-3.

And.... jeng jeng jeng...
alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) is an Omega-3 fatty acid.
DHA and EPA are not the only omega-3 fatty acids. LOL!
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And BTW, wikipedia is open to everyone to edit. It is not exactly a very reliable source.

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Most plant based N3 are ALA. The body will convert ALA to EPA then to DHA. The effectiveness of the conversion depends on certain enzymes produced by the body. Lacking in those enzymes would inhibits the conversion. Flaxseed doesn't contain EPA and DHA. It is rich in ALA.

Just to update. Day 4 of high protein, less carbs diet, there actually is some fat loss. Or muscle growth. At least it looks like that to me. Or maybe it's because I'm training twice a day. Either one, but at least I'm not getting weaker. Lethargic spell, not in. Maybe I'm not doing something right.

Hows the diet breakdown? What do you eat in the morning etc?

Something for you to read.


The Hidden Truth about Cholesterol
by Mike Geary, Certified Nutrition Specialist, Certified Personal Trainer
We all know that heart disease is one of the leading killers of people around the
world, particularly highest in countries such as the US and Australia.
However, did you know that there are several medical studies worldwide that
clearly show that higher cholesterol levels in the body actually increases
longevity instead of decreasing it? Yes, you heard that right! People with high
cholesterol have been statistically shown to live longer and healthier than people
with low cholesterol in several studies. There are multiple references for this
phenomenon in Shane Ellisonʹs controversial book, The Hidden Truth about
Cholesterol Lowering Drugs, Dr. Uffe Ravnskovʹs (MD, PhD) book entitled The
Cholesterol Myths, as well as Sally Fallon and Mary Enigʹs book, Nourishing
Traditions.
So why in the world are the pharmaceutical and medical industry pushing for
practically everyone on the planet to ʺlower their cholesterolʺ? Well, the first, and
more innocent answer, is flawed medical studies from decades ago that have
been accepted as fact and never fully analyzed for their validity. Another answer
is that this practice of recommending that half of the damn planet takes a
cholesterol lowering medication (currently, statins), regardless of whether they
truly have any real risk for heart disease, creates insane multi-squillion dollar
profits for the drug companies!
As a perfectly absurd example of how doctors have been wrongly influenced by
the drug companies... a couple years ago, I was a perfectly healthy 28 yr old, in
great shape, exercising daily, eating a balanced healthy diet full of antioxidants
and quality nutrition, no smoking, and with no real risk factors for heart disease,
and just because my cholesterol level has been consistently measured over 200
for my entire life, my doctor recommended I consider using a statin drug.
Consider how outlandish this scenario is! The drug companies have hypnotized
doctors into prescribing unnecessary prescription drugs to healthy young people
with perfectly normal cholesterol levels that just happen to be over this arbitrary
number of 200 that theyʹve come up with. Luckily, I refused to be a guinea pig
and fork over my hard earned duckets for potentially dangerous drugs, and
decided to start researching this whole cholesterol and heart disease connection
myself. Consider also that my father, who is now 60 years old, has had
cholesterol levels slightly over 200 his entire life also (just like me), yet he is
perfectly healthy at his ripe age of 60.
As time goes on and scientists continue to learn more about heart disease, it has
become quite clear over the recent years that inflammation within the body
(NOT cholesterol levels) is what causes plaque build up in the arteries and
eventual heart disease. Inflammation can be caused by many personal factors
such as stress, smoking, viruses, consumption of refined and/or hydrogenated
fats (man-made trans fats), an imbalance of omega-6 polyunsaturated fats to
omega-3 polyunsaturated fats in the diet, excess refined sugars in the diet, etc.
Hereʹs a quick and dirty of how it works in general. Cholesterol is a healing
substance within the body (among many other important functions), and
responds to arterial inflammation by getting deposited in combination with other
substances, forming ʺplaqueʺ as a healing agent on the artery lining.
Levels of inflammation in your body can be measured with whatʹs called a CRP
test (c-reactive protein). The accuracy of this test still has room for improvement,
as it can vary depending on the time of day and other factors, but it is a much
better indication of heart disease risk than a cholesterol test (which is practically
useless for determining heart disease risk).
Another more important test than cholesterol levels for heart disease risk is a test
for serum homocysteine levels. The next time your doctor wants you to get blood
cholesterol tests, request CRP and homocysteine tests instead. He/she should be
well aware of the validity of these tests if they are up to date.
Basically, if you have significant internal inflammation, this plaque will be
deposited as a healing agent regardless of whether you have high or low
cholesterol. On the other hand, if you donʹt have inflammation, high cholesterol
levels just keep circulating without getting deposited on the artery linings.
Therefore, it is more important to control inflammation rather than trying to
lower your cholesterol.
Lowering your cholesterol doesnʹt attack the root of the problem (what is
actually causing the inflammation in you). Lowering your cholesterol does
nothing except to make the drug companies rich, and possibly leave you with a
whole assortment of possible negative side-effects.
The good news is that preventing heart disease is about living a healthy lifestyle,
not about throwing down a drug pill everyday. Controlling your inflammation
to prevent heart disease is as easy as reducing the stress in your life (try deep
breathing exercises, Qigong, yoga, etc.), maintaining a healthy weight, eating a
high-antioxidant, highly nutritious unprocessed diet (as recommended in my
Truth about Six Pack Abs program), and avoiding smoking and other causes of
heavy free radical production in the body.
I hope this article has given you some helpful info about the real causes of heart
disease and not the propaganda that has been shoved down your throat for
years, based on flawed medical studies from 40-50 years ago, making drug
companies filthy rich.
If you or anyone you care about is currently taking statins, or if you just want to
learn more about cholesterol and the scandal that is revolving currently around
statin drugs, please see The Cholesterol Myths.
On a related topic, were you aware that there is also quite a controversy these
days in the health industry over the fact that saturated fat is not necessarily bad
for you, and can actually be downright good for you in some cases? I posted this
article a few months ago, but thought I would mention this article again - The
Truth about Saturated Fats

I just have a couple pieces of bread or oats in the morning with eggs
Skip carbs during lunch
Have one relatively high carb (100GMS) meal before training
Protein shake
Normal dinner with extra meats and 1/3 the rice
Another shake

I just read through quickly. But help me break this down. We've been led to believe that cholesterol is evil. However, cholesterol actually isn't. If there's a problem in the body, cholesterol fixes it (consistent with studies) If there's nothing, it just runs around doing nothing.

Yeah I can accept that.

Adding some methane...

Now that some “farked” neurons are awakening the next question would be should the whole-egg be taken raw or cooked? The “farked” neurons await for answers…



Cheerio.

You should take them raw. Lick the shells clean while you're at it.

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Added on August 6, 2009, 6:34 pmThe others should take them cooked.

This post has been edited by kotmj: Aug 6 2009, 06:34 PM

Ugh, I'd always avoid raw eggs. This is coming from a man who experienced salmonella twice...

Shit. Salmonella is no joke. COOK YOUR FKING EGGS.

That is as close you could get to being dead....When I had salmonella thanks to raw eggs protein shake...I could barely move a step....you are literally a vegetable..this aint hardcore fellas..this is serious shiet

Nevermind salmonella, I can't even stomach a raw egg. Can't stand the texture. Cooked eggs for me all the way.

Also, note that cooking the eggs avails yourself of more of the protein content.


(PS Raw eggs in prairie oysters are goddamn delicious.)

I won't even go into the proper definition of "essential", which I don't think means "your body cannot produce it but still needs it"

This post has been edited by wodenus: Aug 8 2009, 12:49 AM

I never actually figured that one out. Why is it that, 6 GMS in the eggs, is better used by your body, when it's cooked? Is there something in that mix that makes the digestion tougher? Will HCL help?

This is very controversial. Some studies suggest raw is better, some said cooked is better.
Egg whites contain a glycoprotein called "avidin" which binds biotin. Eating too many raw egg whites by themselves will cause you to suffer from a biotin deficiency. Cooking deactivates the avidin in the egg. The yolk is very rich in biotin, one of the highest concentration in nature. Raw eggs advocates recommend eating eggs whole to avoid biotin deficiency.

As for salmonella risk, a 2002 study by USDA found that of the 69 billion eggs produced each year in the U.S., only 2.3 million are contaminated with salmonella. That’s 1 in every 30,000 eggs.

I have tried eating 10 raw eggs daily for almost a year and I had never experienced salmonella poisoning not even for once. I ate only Omega eggs because they are less fishy and are cleaner. I felt that raw eggs are digested faster than cooked eggs because I get hungry real fast. My energy and strength levels were better too. Not so much on weight increase but more reps. Hope that was not psychology.

Whether you want to eat raw or cooked eggs is a personal choice. The argument of which is better will not end as both have their points. Which ever choice you want to choose, always eat them WHOLE not the least nutritious white.



PS. My parrot is smarter than most bodybuilders on the planet. She eats only the yolk and discards the white. A bird by nature knows which is the most nutritious part of the egg. Unlike humans who are influenced by lies they have read.

Indeed. I believe it all comes down to the level of hygiene around you. When I had salmonella twice, the first time was from some random set of eggs i got off dirt cheap. ( Self Explanatory ) The second time was from chicken, it wasn't properly done which is also self explanatory . I'm no nutrition guru but if I could recall coming across sheets of information a few days back, salmonella infections are zoonotic ( a self-transmitting disease from vertebrate animals to human. That only explains the chicken. But I'm no where near confident to try raw eggs after getting infected once.


Take whatever I said with a pinch of salt. I'm not prohibiting anyone to chug down raw eggs, the texture of raw eggs, thats too hardcore for me

This post has been edited by shanecross: Aug 8 2009, 07:54 AM

Digressing here...

Dude, you 'don't think' wrong. =)

The scientific explanation of 'essential nutrients' is those nutrients are unable to be synthesize by the body, and must be taken from diet.
What else is there to argue? If you lack any of those essential nutrients, you'll become malnourished, leading to other diseases, and then you can die.

These include minerals (obviously, you can't synthesize atoms in your body), vitamins (came from the word vital minerals), 10 essential amino acids (EAA), essential fatty acids (EFA), etc.

You clearly thought wrong.
There's probably a reason why something is called "Essential". Go look the dictionary if you've not got your vocabulary brushed up in the recent decades.

Also on page 582, of my NASM textbook, it states clearly;

"Essential amino acids cannot be manufactured by the body therefore must be obtained from food other other exogenous source. Examples of essential amino acids;

Isoleucine
Leucine
Lysine
Valine

There's also a set of amino acids called "semi-essential" which means it can be produced, but cannot be synthesized fast enough to support development (especially in children) . These are arginine and histidine.

Good post. That got me thinking a bit. Some people claim that the amount of amino acid in regular meaty food/whey is adequate . So does this mean that BCAA supps wasn't actually a hype after all? hmmmmmm.... ON has a 2:1:1 L I V ratio in their BCAA caps...hmm....these buggers here are having clearance on some supps....maybe I should get one?

This post has been edited by shanecross: Aug 8 2009, 11:31 AM