Truth about Fat, Trans Fat, Saturated Fat & Nutrition



Eat the Damn Yolks! Eggs Are Good For You!

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Added on July 30, 2009, 12:24 pmSaturated fat isn't evil.

There's a need for people to understand how fat works first. I'm still in the process of studying about it, but I'm doing another research paper, so can't get much. Crap...

And I hope to be able to understand why carbs is so evil to numerous bodytypes. And why the hell fat and protein seems to work pretty consistently.

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Jul 30 2009, 12:24 PM

Hmm, where to find 'free range organic' chicken eggs in Malaysia? Much of what the guy talks about applies to the US.

Also there seems to be conflicting advice about omega 3, the first video says its good while the second video says to avoid omega-3 eggs.

That's why I say google can answer EVERYTHING. All you need to do is attempt to search. It's not just applicable to the USA. Malaysia have progress towards that direction too. Just that most of you people aren't aware of it.

http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&rlz=...nG=Search&meta=

I say Omega-3 eggs aren't worth the price. It's just this tiny trace of Omega-3 in the eggs, and you gotta pay a load more. I'd go with just the organic side.



This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Jul 30 2009, 02:52 PM

Should include the bad comment about saturated fat also. So all can judge and discuss about good/bad of saturated fat. I will try to find the articles about saturated fat when I have the time.

I buy those "kampung" eggs from Cold Storage. They're RM 5.90 for 10.

This post has been edited by kotmj: Jul 30 2009, 05:57 PM

eggs are still eggs
beli kat pasar tani also same

This is what I had been telling you guys 1 year ago.
Heck, how many actually believed me.

5.90 for 10 kampong eggs!
I bought mine at Pudu Pasar, 4.00 for 10 kampong eggs. I bought 2 trays each time.
They taste so much different that my friend asked me to buy 1 tray for her whenever I go to buy them.

This post has been edited by 4Rings: Jul 30 2009, 09:15 PM

It's more convenient at a supermarket. I don't go to wet markets often. Probably should.

Oh how wrong you are my friend. How wrong. Even if you look at an egg, based on it's protein values alone, an egg isn't just an egg. And as we move along the other nutrients such Vitamin-A, Beta carotene, zinc, thiamine, it's quantities differ in the quality of your chicken. I skimmed past my brother's book about nutrients and food and the difference between a "kampung egg" (organic egg) and a commercially produced egg is quite shocking. Did you know, the density of nutrients in a kampung egg, (it differs per nutrient) is at least two times of an commercially produced egg?

Ah I found a link
Eggs aren't just eggs anymore my friend.

I did! Remember I asked you if I could use it for an athlete, but you weren't sure if it's suitable for weightlifters. That's why I decided against using it. Besides there was little or no documentary about such a diet used on athletes.

One can taste the nutritional density in kampong eggs. The flavour is intense. It's the only sort of egg I buy, and I cannot imagine people only eating the egg whites. For me, eggs should be eaten whole.

pizzaboy izzit true dat if i take dis weight loss supplment n go 2 a weight loss center dat i can sweat out d saturated fats ;;;;;

Pizzaboy,
Absolutely superb thread. Bravo!

Angrydog,
In for HYOOOOGE FLAMING, yo! LMAO!

4Rings,
Welcome back! Please share more good stuff!

Lynx,
DO NOT avoid Omega 3. It's an essential fatty acid, which means your body cannot produce it but still needs it.
Fact is, most of us don't get enough omega 3 FA in our diets. We should comsume more omega-3 compared to omega-6 FA. There's a ratio, I think it's 2:1. Omega 3's are damn important. ( You can even go without OMega-6 FA because you can synthesise it from Omega-3 FA. <---wrong info, read my next post.) Let me go dig out my old text books and the net and update you guys later.

Video #2 is asking us to avoid Omega 3 enriched eggs, not all sources of omega 3 FA. Didn't concentrate when watching the video meh?
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My take on video #1:
Well, the analogy she used about the PUFA & MUFA being flexible and sweep the plagues off the arteries is a bit skewed. She's probably oversimplifying.

PUFA/MUFA (from vegetable oil) ---> hydrogenation process ---> saturated fat + transfat ---> mix back with vegetable oil ---> chilled are cold temperature ---> TADAA! Margarine!
Transfat is the one we don't want. Absolutely don't want.

Saturated fat and PUFA/MUFA serves different functions in the body. Let me go dig out more info later.
For now, I'll let pizzaboy, 4Rings & you guys correct any mistakes I made, if any.

This post has been edited by iamyuanwu: Jul 31 2009, 01:25 PM

There was a documented study on a group of university swimmers by Barry Sears, founder of Zone Diet.
Uni B had never beaten Uni A in swimming competition in their history. After adopting Sears' low carb diet (4:3:3),
Uni B won the swimming competition for the 1st time in their history.

But this study had never gone into international level. I guess Sears couldn't convince those who had been brainwashed by conventional methods.


You are right about the Omega eggs. The chicken are fed with quality feeds to produce omega 3 rich eggs. What the chicken ingest that's what you get in the egg. Those are my 2nd choice when i ran out of kampong eggs.

PUFA is a good oil but must be taken in moderation because it is not stable. Only the unrefined PUFA is recommended. Refined PUFA cooking oils should be avoided because they have been altered chemically during processing. MUFA or N9 is a neutral oil. It is stable and can be used in cooking.
Saturated fats are also beneficial to our health.

PUFA is classed into N3 and N6. PUFA that is rich in N6 should be taken in moderation to keep the N3 and N6 in balance.

iamyuanwu, are you sure N6 can be synthesized from N3? I have never heard of that. If it could, N6 would not be known as essential fatty acid.

BTW there is a new brand of egg on market. The hens are fed with Lactobacillus instead of antibiotics to enhance their immunity against bacterial infection. The eggs are free from salmonella too. They are selling at 3.80 for 10 if I am not mistaken.
I bought a similar type months ago. It was imported from Korea and cost a bomb, 7 bucks for 10. It tasted rather bland.

You mean this link?

http://www.cbn.com/health/naturalhealth/dr..._athletes1.aspx

I've always had this perception that strength and power is built via training, not via diet. I'll give a shot at adapting this 4.3.3. diet.

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Added on July 31, 2009, 10:37 amYou guys know what I love about this thread? This sort of threads, usually separate the "I follow my friend say one" and the "I did some reading on this journal" people.

Needless to say, whom I think higher of

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Jul 31 2009, 10:37 AM

Long post guys, but just read it and respond.
I may be mistaken in my facts.
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Don't know where to find kampung eggs up north here. Even the seller tells me that some organic eggs are normal eggs which the distributors/farmers lying that they're organic. By hey, that's how it is like way up north.
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Yup. I'm mistaken. ALA is the n-3 that can be converted into other n-3 DHA and EPA. n-6 still needs to be taken. My post above will be edited.

High ratio of n-6 compared to n-3 promotes inflammatory illnesses like cardiovascular disease, arthritis, cancer etc...
Optimal ratio is less than 4:1. Western diet is 15:1. Msian diet = ??

So we need to increase our n-3 FA and decrease n-6 intake to reach a balance. Note that n-6 is still an important nutrient. Just that the ratio to n-3 is not ideal in our diets.

Below are abstracts about the ratio of n-6:n-3. (If your uni library have access to Science Direct or NCBI, please download the article and share the knowledge)
Do check out other related articles there too.

Biomedecine & Pharmacotherapy; Volume 56, Issue 8, October 2002 (linked from Wikipedia)
The importance of the ratio of omega-6/omega-3 essential fatty acids. by Simopoulos AP
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...e332f3290725463
(note: it's a 2002 article. More recent articles needed for cross-ref)

Biomedecine & Pharmacotherapy; 2006 Nov;60(9)
Evolutionary aspects of diet, the omega-6/omega-3 ratio and genetic variation: nutritional implications for chronic diseases. by Simopoulos AP.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1704544...ogdbfrom=pubmed

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Regarding refined and unrefined PUFA. Let me add to 4Rings' points.
What is wanted is PRESSED or COLD PRESSED oils. That means the oils are extracted with a mechanical process. No chemicals involved. In cold press, there's no heat... which means the oils are less altered.
Many PUFA oils are extracted with chemicals. And some are even stabilised by using: jeng jeng jeng... hydrogenation <--- the product has just been 'refined'. Which leads to trans fat formation in PUFA.

Also, there might be cases where vitamin E (tocotrienol & tocopherol) is added to oils. This is all right. Vit E is an antioxidant, which makes it a good natural preservative in oils/fats.

I'm interpreting this in 2 ways:
1. Not stable in normal conditions. Means it's not suitable for high heat cooking because it gets oxidised easily.
2. Not stable in the body in huge quantities. Means extra PUFA can turn into free radicals and damage the body if eaten too much.
Are you referring to both?
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For those with too much time and love to read:
All about arachidonic acid (AA) which an n-6 fatty acid (omega-6). You have no idea how important this FA is and how many functions it's involved in. But then again, there's such a thing as "having too much of a good thing". =)
http://www.acnp.org/G4/GN401000059/CH059.html
Good stuff!
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Pizzaboy,
This is one of the best discussion thread in LYN H&F. It's been a long time since anything stimulating like this comes along. Thanks for starting this thread.

Moar moar moar!

This post has been edited by iamyuanwu: Jul 31 2009, 01:44 PM

Here's something more easily digestible.

http://www.fit4younutrition.com/article7.html

Fat does not make you fat (unless you eat it with lots of carbs). Fat consumption whether saturated or unsaturated, causes no release of insulin and as a result promotes the burning of both dietary and stored fat as fuel (however you need to teach your body to do this and this can only happen if it is forced to rely on fat as a source of fuel ie sufficient fat is consumed while carbs are kept to a minimum). There’s no possibility of storing fat in fat cell unless insulin opens the receptors, and only eating sugar (ie carbs) can make that happen. Not only does it not make you fat, it is extremely important for several reasons:

However, not all fats are good. Hard and fast rule-if it was created by nature eat it, if its processed don’t.

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Jul 31 2009, 03:12 PM

Saturated Fats Also Linked to Small Intestine Cancer
This is the bad article about saturated fat. I got this info from this web

http://www.naturalnews.com/025147_cancer_health_fats.html


The main page is here which contains lots of interesting article about nutrition
http://www.naturalnews.com/saturated_fat.html

This post has been edited by kurtkob78: Jul 31 2009, 03:47 PM

Forgot to ask. How do you guys put in fat into your diets? And what oils/fats do you consume (e.g. butter, peanut butter, coconut oil, palm oil etc...)? 4rings?

Takkan terus drink a cup of coconut oil or slice a piece of butter and telan?!

This post has been edited by iamyuanwu: Jul 31 2009, 05:00 PM

Now my source of fat is from peanut butter. fried food at working place, low fat milk. And now I include drinking 1 teasp olive oil before meal. The taste really sux

Yup, that's the guy.

Since Malaysians like to throw away egg yolks and we don't have cold water fishes that are rich in N3, I would say 20:0.

Yup, I was referring to both.

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Added on July 31, 2009, 8:59 pmPeanut butter is not a good source of fats. Peanuts are moldy food. They are contaminated with fungi.
My fats come from refined olive oil for stir fried cooking, palm oil for deep fried cooking, coconut oil for taking direct,
unrefined olive oil and red palm oil for adding to oatmeal and butter for bread or frying egg.

I bought a bottle of coconut oil from a Malay market. 5 bucks for 500ml size mineral water bottle. Very cheap but YUCK!
It stinks when you pour it into the frying pan. It smells so much different from the one I bought from organic shop.

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Added on July 31, 2009, 9:00 pmOoops, forgot one thing. Lard for Hokkien Mee.

This post has been edited by 4Rings: Jul 31 2009, 09:00 PM