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post Jul 30 2009, 09:11 PM

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This is what I had been telling you guys 1 year ago.
Heck, how many actually believed me. sad.gif

5.90 for 10 kampong eggs! shocking.gif
I bought mine at Pudu Pasar, 4.00 for 10 kampong eggs. I bought 2 trays each time.
They taste so much different that my friend asked me to buy 1 tray for her whenever I go to buy them.

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post Jul 31 2009, 06:15 AM

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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Jul 30 2009, 09:51 PM)
I did! Remember I asked you if I could use it for an athlete, but you weren't sure if it's suitable for weightlifters. That's why I decided against using it. Besides there was little or no documentary about such a diet used on athletes.
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There was a documented study on a group of university swimmers by Barry Sears, founder of Zone Diet.
Uni B had never beaten Uni A in swimming competition in their history. After adopting Sears' low carb diet (4:3:3),
Uni B won the swimming competition for the 1st time in their history.

But this study had never gone into international level. I guess Sears couldn't convince those who had been brainwashed by conventional methods.


QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Jul 31 2009, 03:48 AM)

Lynx,
DO NOT avoid Omega 3. It's an essential fatty acid, which means your body cannot produce it but still needs it.
Fact is, most of us don't get enough omega 3 FA in our diets. We should comsume more omega-3 compared to omega-6 FA. There's a ratio, I think it's 2:1. Omega 3's are damn important. You can even go without OMega-6 FA because you can synthesise it from Omega-3 FA. Let me go dig out my old text books and the net and update you guys later.

Video #2 is asking us to avoid Omega 3 enriched eggs, not all sources of omega 3 FA. Didn't concentrate when watching the video meh?
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My take on video #1:
Well, the analogy she used about the PUFA & MUFA being flexible and sweep the plagues off the arteries is a bit skewed. She's probably oversimplifying.

PUFA/MUFA (from vegetable oil) ---> hydrogenation process ---> saturated fat + transfat ---> mix back with vegetable oil ---> chilled are cold temperature ---> TADAA! Margarine!
Transfat is the one we don't want. Absolutely don't want.

Saturated fat and PUFA/MUFA serves different functions in the body. Let me go dig out more info later.
For now, I'll let pizzaboy, 4Rings & you guys correct any mistakes I made, if any.
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You are right about the Omega eggs. The chicken are fed with quality feeds to produce omega 3 rich eggs. What the chicken ingest that's what you get in the egg. Those are my 2nd choice when i ran out of kampong eggs.

PUFA is a good oil but must be taken in moderation because it is not stable. Only the unrefined PUFA is recommended. Refined PUFA cooking oils should be avoided because they have been altered chemically during processing. MUFA or N9 is a neutral oil. It is stable and can be used in cooking.
Saturated fats are also beneficial to our health.

PUFA is classed into N3 and N6. PUFA that is rich in N6 should be taken in moderation to keep the N3 and N6 in balance.

iamyuanwu, are you sure N6 can be synthesized from N3? I have never heard of that. If it could, N6 would not be known as essential fatty acid.

BTW there is a new brand of egg on market. The hens are fed with Lactobacillus instead of antibiotics to enhance their immunity against bacterial infection. The eggs are free from salmonella too. They are selling at 3.80 for 10 if I am not mistaken.
I bought a similar type months ago. It was imported from Korea and cost a bomb, 7 bucks for 10. It tasted rather bland.

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post Jul 31 2009, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Jul 31 2009, 09:59 AM)
You mean this link?

http://www.cbn.com/health/naturalhealth/dr..._athletes1.aspx

I've always had this perception that strength and power is built via training, not via diet. I'll give a shot at adapting this 4.3.3. diet.


Added on July 31, 2009, 10:37 amYou guys know what I love about this thread? This sort of threads, usually separate the "I follow my friend say one" and the "I did some reading on this journal" people.

Needless to say, whom I think higher of
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Yup, that's the guy.

QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Jul 31 2009, 01:24 PM)
High ratio of n-6 compared to n-3 promotes inflammatory illnesses like cardiovascular disease, arthritis, cancer etc...
Optimal ratio is less than 4:1. Western diet is 15:1. Msian diet = ??

I'm interpreting this in 2 ways:
1. Not stable in normal conditions. Means it's not suitable for high heat cooking because it gets oxidised easily.
2. Not stable in the body in huge quantities. Means extra PUFA can turn into free radicals and damage the body if eaten too much.
Are you referring to both?

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Since Malaysians like to throw away egg yolks and we don't have cold water fishes that are rich in N3, I would say 20:0. biggrin.gif

Yup, I was referring to both.


Added on July 31, 2009, 8:59 pm
QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Jul 31 2009, 04:49 PM)
Forgot to ask. How do you guys put in fat into your diets? And what oils/fats do you consume (e.g. butter, peanut butter, coconut oil, palm oil etc...)? 4rings?

Takkan terus drink a cup of coconut oil or slice a piece of butter and telan?!
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Peanut butter is not a good source of fats. Peanuts are moldy food. They are contaminated with fungi.
My fats come from refined olive oil for stir fried cooking, palm oil for deep fried cooking, coconut oil for taking direct,
unrefined olive oil and red palm oil for adding to oatmeal and butter for bread or frying egg.

I bought a bottle of coconut oil from a Malay market. 5 bucks for 500ml size mineral water bottle. Very cheap but YUCK!
It stinks when you pour it into the frying pan. It smells so much different from the one I bought from organic shop.


Added on July 31, 2009, 9:00 pmOoops, forgot one thing. Lard for Hokkien Mee.

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post Aug 1 2009, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Jul 31 2009, 09:45 PM)
Lard, excellent source of fat biggrin.gif !
4rings....I know I always say I'm anti spoon feeding, but since you've the best experience in this, how would you have me do my dietary intake for a day?

I'm looking to consume somewhere between 3000-3200 calories in a single day. Using your 4:3:3 diet...I'd assume that I take 1200 calories from carbs, 900 calories from fat and protein.

So that's 300 grams from carbs
100 grams from fat
225 grams of protein

Sorry if this sounds a lil weird, but isn't that a lil high for the carbs if this was called a LOW carb diet?


Added on July 31, 2009, 9:46 pmOr is the ratio 4- protein, 3 carbs and fat?

That makes it 300 grams protein 225 carb and 100 fat?

That's like protein overload rite?
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Zone diet is 4:3:3, carbs: protein: fats.
If you follow the 1g protein per lb of body weight, your calories from carbs should be lower than that.
There's no harm experimenting which option works better for you instead of adhering to follow by the book rule.

QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Jul 31 2009, 10:59 PM)
Woooh! Thanks for showing the way you use oils in your meals! Red palm oil is like Carotino brand?

n-6:n-3 = 20:0
We die from malnutrition liao. X^D

By law (Food Regulation 1985), peanut butter has a safety limit of the mold toxin/mycotoxin content that cannot be exceeded. I would assume that handles the mold and mycotoxin part. 4Rings, your opinion?

Coconut oil from the kampung is made from bacterial fermentation. I believe that's why the you get the stink. LOL!
Organic shops are probably from acid or enzymes processes, and properly controlled environment.

Lard? Healthy or not? Entah apa benda the pigs ate before turning into pork. But damn, it's yummy!
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Komtj,
Thanks for the lead. Let me go google some Jamie Oliver's recipe.
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Yup, the red palm oil is caratino. This is the only made in malaysia palm oil recognized by Udo Eramus, Fats Guru as a good oil.

About the peanut butter, how many manufacturers actually follow that? Peanuts grow in the soil. The chances of contamination are very high.
I read somewhere in the net that this author recommends 1 particular brand which the manufacturer tested their peanut butter stringently before putting them on market. But you can forget about it. The butter is only available in US.

Peanut is also one of the cause of allergies. We should go easy on peanut butter.


Added on August 1, 2009, 8:36 am
QUOTE(lukevin @ Jul 31 2009, 11:40 PM)
OMG, peanut butter fat aint good?

4Rings, what I do every night before bed is mix the whey i got from you, with milk and a tablespoon of peanut butter.
Just to have a blend of different protein. is that alright? hmm.gif
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You can drink the whey by itself and gulp in 1 tablespoon of olive oil.

My formula is 2 scoops of whey plus stabilized rice bran + wheat grass + spirulina + milk minerals powder.
My parrot drinks that too.

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post Aug 2 2009, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(elnino @ Aug 2 2009, 12:59 AM)
4Rings:
while you're on low carb/high fat diet,how's your re-feed period?or its 24/7 low carb/high fat diet for you?Dave Palumbo, Par Deus and some other,do include a refeed period after a set timeframe to replenish glycogen level(it can go as high as 800g-1200g carbs on the refeed day).Wanna know,is it really important?As in keto diet,we're using ketones instead of glycogen as fuel source,then why do we still need to bother on replenishing glycogen?Hope you can help to shed some light on this.Thanks
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I didn't try keto diet for long term. The longest was about a month, just to get my body into a fat burning machine.
Most of the time I was on Zone favourable low carb where I ate plenty of veges for carbs.

Towards the end of my 2 years on low carbs, I tried Anabolic Diet for 3-4 months. 5 days keto, 2 days carbs loading.
The purpose of the carbs loading is not to replenish the glycogen but to spike the insulin to push the aminos and nutrients into the muscles.
That is their theory. But some who have been solely on keto diet for long term have proven this theory wrong.
My purpose of trying Anabolic Diet because I could eat all the junk carbs on weekend without getting fat.

I asked a low carb guru, a friend of Robert Atkins and he said you don't need insulin spike to build muscles.
The best thing is to use your body to experiment various methods of low carb and see which works best for you.
Min 6 months per method is good enough to see the results.


Added on August 2, 2009, 1:20 pm
QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Aug 2 2009, 11:17 AM)
He's in China.

I think the analogy of strength athletes and bodybuilders may fit this question. A bodybuilder can be three times the size of a weightlifter, but you see the weightlifters are generally stronger. Muscle size not equal to strength. Nutrient density not equals to size.
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post Aug 3 2009, 06:53 AM

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[quote=iamyuanwu,Aug 2 2009, 11:23 PM]
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You have just proven me right, matey! =) Hah hah hah!
Omega-3 fatty acids (n-3 FA) are essential.
n-3 is just another way of saying Omega-3.

And.... jeng jeng jeng...
alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) is an Omega-3 fatty acid.
DHA and EPA are not the only omega-3 fatty acids. LOL!
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And BTW, wikipedia is open to everyone to edit. It is not exactly a very reliable source.
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Most plant based N3 are ALA. The body will convert ALA to EPA then to DHA. The effectiveness of the conversion depends on certain enzymes produced by the body. Lacking in those enzymes would inhibits the conversion. Flaxseed doesn't contain EPA and DHA. It is rich in ALA.
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post Aug 5 2009, 06:20 AM

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Something for you to read.


The Hidden Truth about Cholesterol
by Mike Geary, Certified Nutrition Specialist, Certified Personal Trainer
We all know that heart disease is one of the leading killers of people around the
world, particularly highest in countries such as the US and Australia.
However, did you know that there are several medical studies worldwide that
clearly show that higher cholesterol levels in the body actually increases
longevity instead of decreasing it? Yes, you heard that right! People with high
cholesterol have been statistically shown to live longer and healthier than people
with low cholesterol in several studies. There are multiple references for this
phenomenon in Shane Ellisonʹs controversial book, The Hidden Truth about
Cholesterol Lowering Drugs, Dr. Uffe Ravnskovʹs (MD, PhD) book entitled The
Cholesterol Myths, as well as Sally Fallon and Mary Enigʹs book, Nourishing
Traditions.
So why in the world are the pharmaceutical and medical industry pushing for
practically everyone on the planet to ʺlower their cholesterolʺ? Well, the first, and
more innocent answer, is flawed medical studies from decades ago that have
been accepted as fact and never fully analyzed for their validity. Another answer
is that this practice of recommending that half of the damn planet takes a
cholesterol lowering medication (currently, statins), regardless of whether they
truly have any real risk for heart disease, creates insane multi-squillion dollar
profits for the drug companies!
As a perfectly absurd example of how doctors have been wrongly influenced by
the drug companies... a couple years ago, I was a perfectly healthy 28 yr old, in
great shape, exercising daily, eating a balanced healthy diet full of antioxidants
and quality nutrition, no smoking, and with no real risk factors for heart disease,
and just because my cholesterol level has been consistently measured over 200
for my entire life, my doctor recommended I consider using a statin drug.
Consider how outlandish this scenario is! The drug companies have hypnotized
doctors into prescribing unnecessary prescription drugs to healthy young people
with perfectly normal cholesterol levels that just happen to be over this arbitrary
number of 200 that theyʹve come up with. Luckily, I refused to be a guinea pig
and fork over my hard earned duckets for potentially dangerous drugs, and
decided to start researching this whole cholesterol and heart disease connection
myself. Consider also that my father, who is now 60 years old, has had
cholesterol levels slightly over 200 his entire life also (just like me), yet he is
perfectly healthy at his ripe age of 60.
As time goes on and scientists continue to learn more about heart disease, it has
become quite clear over the recent years that inflammation within the body
(NOT cholesterol levels) is what causes plaque build up in the arteries and
eventual heart disease. Inflammation can be caused by many personal factors
such as stress, smoking, viruses, consumption of refined and/or hydrogenated
fats (man-made trans fats), an imbalance of omega-6 polyunsaturated fats to
omega-3 polyunsaturated fats in the diet, excess refined sugars in the diet, etc.
Hereʹs a quick and dirty of how it works in general. Cholesterol is a healing
substance within the body (among many other important functions), and
responds to arterial inflammation by getting deposited in combination with other
substances, forming ʺplaqueʺ as a healing agent on the artery lining.
Levels of inflammation in your body can be measured with whatʹs called a CRP
test (c-reactive protein). The accuracy of this test still has room for improvement,
as it can vary depending on the time of day and other factors, but it is a much
better indication of heart disease risk than a cholesterol test (which is practically
useless for determining heart disease risk).
Another more important test than cholesterol levels for heart disease risk is a test
for serum homocysteine levels. The next time your doctor wants you to get blood
cholesterol tests, request CRP and homocysteine tests instead. He/she should be
well aware of the validity of these tests if they are up to date.
Basically, if you have significant internal inflammation, this plaque will be
deposited as a healing agent regardless of whether you have high or low
cholesterol. On the other hand, if you donʹt have inflammation, high cholesterol
levels just keep circulating without getting deposited on the artery linings.
Therefore, it is more important to control inflammation rather than trying to
lower your cholesterol.
Lowering your cholesterol doesnʹt attack the root of the problem (what is
actually causing the inflammation in you). Lowering your cholesterol does
nothing except to make the drug companies rich, and possibly leave you with a
whole assortment of possible negative side-effects.
The good news is that preventing heart disease is about living a healthy lifestyle,
not about throwing down a drug pill everyday. Controlling your inflammation
to prevent heart disease is as easy as reducing the stress in your life (try deep
breathing exercises, Qigong, yoga, etc.), maintaining a healthy weight, eating a
high-antioxidant, highly nutritious unprocessed diet (as recommended in my
Truth about Six Pack Abs program), and avoiding smoking and other causes of
heavy free radical production in the body.
I hope this article has given you some helpful info about the real causes of heart
disease and not the propaganda that has been shoved down your throat for
years, based on flawed medical studies from 40-50 years ago, making drug
companies filthy rich.
If you or anyone you care about is currently taking statins, or if you just want to
learn more about cholesterol and the scandal that is revolving currently around
statin drugs, please see The Cholesterol Myths.
On a related topic, were you aware that there is also quite a controversy these
days in the health industry over the fact that saturated fat is not necessarily bad
for you, and can actually be downright good for you in some cases? I posted this
article a few months ago, but thought I would mention this article again - The
Truth about Saturated Fats
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post Aug 8 2009, 06:46 AM

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This is very controversial. Some studies suggest raw is better, some said cooked is better.
Egg whites contain a glycoprotein called "avidin" which binds biotin. Eating too many raw egg whites by themselves will cause you to suffer from a biotin deficiency. Cooking deactivates the avidin in the egg. The yolk is very rich in biotin, one of the highest concentration in nature. Raw eggs advocates recommend eating eggs whole to avoid biotin deficiency.

As for salmonella risk, a 2002 study by USDA found that of the 69 billion eggs produced each year in the U.S., only 2.3 million are contaminated with salmonella. That’s 1 in every 30,000 eggs.

I have tried eating 10 raw eggs daily for almost a year and I had never experienced salmonella poisoning not even for once. I ate only Omega eggs because they are less fishy and are cleaner. I felt that raw eggs are digested faster than cooked eggs because I get hungry real fast. My energy and strength levels were better too. Not so much on weight increase but more reps. Hope that was not psychology.

Whether you want to eat raw or cooked eggs is a personal choice. The argument of which is better will not end as both have their points. Which ever choice you want to choose, always eat them WHOLE not the least nutritious white.



PS. My parrot is smarter than most bodybuilders on the planet. She eats only the yolk and discards the white. A bird by nature knows which is the most nutritious part of the egg. Unlike humans who are influenced by lies they have read. whistling.gif

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post Aug 8 2009, 12:33 PM

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Facts about ketosis.

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Most people experience a condition called ketosis when they suddenly go from a high-carbohydrate diet to a low-carbohydrate diet. This occurs when ketone molecules are circulating in the blood in a higher amount than on the previous high-carbohydrate diet. Ketosis is a normal physiological state caused by very normal and healthy body functions contrary to the myths,  distortions, and lies published by vegetarians and other high-carbohydrate diet supporters. Ketosis allows the body to function efficiently and live off of stored body fat when necessary. Ketones are not a poison which is how most medical and nutritional experts refer to them. Ketones make the body run more efficiently and provide a backup fuel source for the brain. The three substances known as ketone bodies are acetoacetic acid, beta-hydroxybutyric acid, and acetone. Some unknowledgeable people have an absolute fit when told that ketosis produces acetones in the blood, since acetone is a common household solvent. Acetone is commonly used as a fingernail polish remover. The body produces ketones as the preferred fuel for the heart, outer part of the kidneys, and most areas of the brain.

Ketoacidosis is a life-threatening condition commonly associated with Type 1 diabetes and insulin-dependent Type 2 diabetes. Ketoacidosis is not the same as normal dietary ketosis. The abnormally low level of insulin in the diabetic leads to a toxic build-up of blood glucose, causing excess urination, thirst, and dehydration. The glucose cannot enter the cells to produce energy in the absence of insulin. This causes the body to break down an excessive amount of body fat and muscle tissues for energy. Ketoacidosis is an unhealthy condition in which the body has excessively high glucose and ketone bodies at the same time. The ketoacids lower the pH of the blood to an unhealthy level. The body is very sensitive to changes in blood pH. The condition is never present in a non diabetic on a carbohydrate-restricted diet in which beneficial ketosis is achieved. Normal ketosis stabilizes blood glucose within a normal range and prevents the breakdown of healthy muscle tissue. The dietary restriction of carbohydrates prevents any build-up of excess glucose. The blood glucose level remains perfectly normal and stable, almost straight line. The body is actually powered normally by ketone bodies while we sleep. Ketosis was common and normal in all primitive people who lived on a high-protein, high-fat and low-carbohydrate diet such as the North American plains Indians and northern Eskimos. Dietary fatty acids and ketone bodies are very healthy fuels for the body in contrast to glucose which causes insulin resistance, diabetes, heart disease, and cancer.


 

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