Pizzaboy,
Absolutely superb thread. Bravo!

Angrydog,
In for HYOOOOGE FLAMING, yo! LMAO!

4Rings,
Welcome back! Please share more good stuff!

Lynx,
DO NOT avoid Omega 3. It's an essential fatty acid, which means your body cannot produce it but still needs it.
Fact is, most of us don't get enough omega 3 FA in our diets. We should comsume more omega-3 compared to omega-6 FA. There's a ratio, I think it's 2:1. Omega 3's are damn important. ( You can even go without OMega-6 FA because you can synthesise it from Omega-3 FA. <---wrong info, read my next post.) Let me go dig out my old text books and the net and update you guys later.

Video #2 is asking us to avoid Omega 3 enriched eggs, not all sources of omega 3 FA. Didn't concentrate when watching the video meh?
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My take on video #1:
Well, the analogy she used about the PUFA & MUFA being flexible and sweep the plagues off the arteries is a bit skewed. She's probably oversimplifying.

PUFA/MUFA (from vegetable oil) ---> hydrogenation process ---> saturated fat + transfat ---> mix back with vegetable oil ---> chilled are cold temperature ---> TADAA! Margarine!
Transfat is the one we don't want. Absolutely don't want.

Saturated fat and PUFA/MUFA serves different functions in the body. Let me go dig out more info later.
For now, I'll let pizzaboy, 4Rings & you guys correct any mistakes I made, if any.

This post has been edited by iamyuanwu: Jul 31 2009, 01:25 PM

Long post guys, but just read it and respond.
I may be mistaken in my facts.
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Don't know where to find kampung eggs up north here. Even the seller tells me that some organic eggs are normal eggs which the distributors/farmers lying that they're organic. By hey, that's how it is like way up north.
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Yup. I'm mistaken. ALA is the n-3 that can be converted into other n-3 DHA and EPA. n-6 still needs to be taken. My post above will be edited.

High ratio of n-6 compared to n-3 promotes inflammatory illnesses like cardiovascular disease, arthritis, cancer etc...
Optimal ratio is less than 4:1. Western diet is 15:1. Msian diet = ??

So we need to increase our n-3 FA and decrease n-6 intake to reach a balance. Note that n-6 is still an important nutrient. Just that the ratio to n-3 is not ideal in our diets.

Below are abstracts about the ratio of n-6:n-3. (If your uni library have access to Science Direct or NCBI, please download the article and share the knowledge)
Do check out other related articles there too.

Biomedecine & Pharmacotherapy; Volume 56, Issue 8, October 2002 (linked from Wikipedia)
The importance of the ratio of omega-6/omega-3 essential fatty acids. by Simopoulos AP
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...e332f3290725463
(note: it's a 2002 article. More recent articles needed for cross-ref)

Biomedecine & Pharmacotherapy; 2006 Nov;60(9)
Evolutionary aspects of diet, the omega-6/omega-3 ratio and genetic variation: nutritional implications for chronic diseases. by Simopoulos AP.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1704544...ogdbfrom=pubmed

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Regarding refined and unrefined PUFA. Let me add to 4Rings' points.
What is wanted is PRESSED or COLD PRESSED oils. That means the oils are extracted with a mechanical process. No chemicals involved. In cold press, there's no heat... which means the oils are less altered.
Many PUFA oils are extracted with chemicals. And some are even stabilised by using: jeng jeng jeng... hydrogenation <--- the product has just been 'refined'. Which leads to trans fat formation in PUFA.

Also, there might be cases where vitamin E (tocotrienol & tocopherol) is added to oils. This is all right. Vit E is an antioxidant, which makes it a good natural preservative in oils/fats.

I'm interpreting this in 2 ways:
1. Not stable in normal conditions. Means it's not suitable for high heat cooking because it gets oxidised easily.
2. Not stable in the body in huge quantities. Means extra PUFA can turn into free radicals and damage the body if eaten too much.
Are you referring to both?
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For those with too much time and love to read:
All about arachidonic acid (AA) which an n-6 fatty acid (omega-6). You have no idea how important this FA is and how many functions it's involved in. But then again, there's such a thing as "having too much of a good thing". =)
http://www.acnp.org/G4/GN401000059/CH059.html
Good stuff!
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Pizzaboy,
This is one of the best discussion thread in LYN H&F. It's been a long time since anything stimulating like this comes along. Thanks for starting this thread.

Moar moar moar!

This post has been edited by iamyuanwu: Jul 31 2009, 01:44 PM

Forgot to ask. How do you guys put in fat into your diets? And what oils/fats do you consume (e.g. butter, peanut butter, coconut oil, palm oil etc...)? 4rings?

Takkan terus drink a cup of coconut oil or slice a piece of butter and telan?!

This post has been edited by iamyuanwu: Jul 31 2009, 05:00 PM

Woooh! Thanks for showing the way you use oils in your meals! Red palm oil is like Carotino brand?

n-6:n-3 = 20:0
We die from malnutrition liao. X^D

By law (Food Regulation 1985), peanut butter has a safety limit of the mold toxin/mycotoxin content that cannot be exceeded. I would assume that handles the mold and mycotoxin part. 4Rings, your opinion?

Coconut oil from the kampung is made from bacterial fermentation. I believe that's why the you get the stink. LOL!
Organic shops are probably from acid or enzymes processes, and properly controlled environment.

Lard? Healthy or not? Entah apa benda the pigs ate before turning into pork. But damn, it's yummy!
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Komtj,
Thanks for the lead. Let me go google some Jamie Oliver's recipe.

I manage to find a peanut butter that I believe is as natural & home made as it gets:

Some small time China brand. No sugar. As for preservatives, it claims that none added. Source of peanut: unknown whether organic or not. Mycotoxin level unknown. LOL!

The peanut solids and the peanut oil actually separates slowly into 2 layers if you leave it idle for a day or 2. You can almost drink it... it's like a paste. Nice!
I stir it well and then put it in the fridge to keep it solid.

You have just proven me right, matey! =) Hah hah hah!
Omega-3 fatty acids (n-3 FA) are essential.
n-3 is just another way of saying Omega-3.

And.... jeng jeng jeng...
alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) is an Omega-3 fatty acid.
DHA and EPA are not the only omega-3 fatty acids. LOL!
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And BTW, wikipedia is open to everyone to edit. It is not exactly a very reliable source.

This post has been edited by iamyuanwu: Aug 2 2009, 11:25 PM

Digressing here...

Dude, you 'don't think' wrong. =)

The scientific explanation of 'essential nutrients' is those nutrients are unable to be synthesize by the body, and must be taken from diet.
What else is there to argue? If you lack any of those essential nutrients, you'll become malnourished, leading to other diseases, and then you can die.

These include minerals (obviously, you can't synthesize atoms in your body), vitamins (came from the word vital minerals), 10 essential amino acids (EAA), essential fatty acids (EFA), etc.