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 NOKIA N97 V2!, Nokia Flagship Phone 2009

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post Jul 16 2009, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(futobuta @ Jul 16 2009, 10:36 AM)
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask. I'm thinking of getting another phone, perhaps the iPhone 3Gs or the N97 because my wife wants my current iPhone. Can u guys tell me what are the advantages and disadvantages of the n97 over the iPhone 3Gs. Price is about the same i think. I'm quite used to using the iphone already.
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I've said this a lot of times and I'll say it again.

You cannot compare the Nokia N97 to the iPhone (whatever the series may be), simply because they are different. Phones like the Nokia N97, WinMo or even Android devices are smartphones. They are as close as you can get to a mobile computer.

iPhone, on the other hand, love it or hate it, it's NOT a smartphone. A lot of people might disagree, but how can the iPhone be a smartphone when it doesn't even perform the must fundamental function of a smartphone, which is to multitask?

Nokia N97 is targeted to the tech-savvy masses; whereas the iPhone is for a very niche market - the Apple fanboys. If you love Apple, you'll love the iPhone. If you love tech, you'll love the N97.

I won't tell you the advantages of the N97 over the iPhone because I can go on for another 10 paragraphs, but I can tell you what basic functions the iPhone 3GS does not have that even my 3 year-old N95 can outfunction it:

- No multitasking
- No file transfer over Bluetooth
- No Java support
- No LED for camera
- Which doesn't really matter because the camera is rubbish
- No hactic feedback on the touchscreen
- No proximity sensor
- No shutter key for the camera
- No stereo speakers, only mono
- No file manager
- No DIVX support
- The battery is shit

Stop comparing the iPhone to smartphones already. I think its competitors should be the Samsung Jet and LG Arena.

I'm not saying that the iPhone is inferior, but it's just different. I appreciate all the technology iPhone introduced to the mobile phone market, but drawing comparisons with the flagship device of the N-series is just out of line. N97 (Sedan) vs iPhone 3GS (2-door coupe). It's quite a silly comparison when they target to different users (tech-savvy and fashion-savvy).

This post has been edited by blinky: Jul 16 2009, 11:02 AM
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post Jul 16 2009, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(blinky @ Jul 16 2009, 10:59 AM)
I've said this a lot of times and I'll say it again.

You cannot compare the Nokia N97 to the iPhone (whatever the series may be), simply because they are different. Phones like the Nokia N97, WinMo or even Android devices are smartphones. They are as close as you can get to a mobile computer.

iPhone, on the other hand, love it or hate it, it's NOT a smartphone. A lot of people might disagree, but how can the iPhone be a smartphone when it doesn't even perform the must fundamental function of a smartphone, which is to multitask?

Nokia N97 is targeted to the tech-savvy masses; whereas the iPhone is for a very niche market - the Apple fanboys. If you love Apple, you'll love the iPhone. If you love tech, you'll love the N97.

I won't tell you the advantages of the N97 over the iPhone because I can go on for another 10 paragraphs, but I can tell you what basic functions the iPhone 3GS does not have that even my 3 year-old N95 can outfunction it:

- No multitasking
- No file transfer over Bluetooth
- No Java support
- No LED for camera
- Which doesn't really matter because the camera is rubbish
- No hactic feedback on the touchscreen
- No proximity sensor
- No shutter key for the camera
- No stereo speakers, only mono
- No file manager
- No DIVX support
- The battery is shit

Stop comparing the iPhone to smartphones already. I think its competitors should be the Samsung Jet and LG Arena.

I'm not saying that the iPhone is inferior, but it's just different. I appreciate all the technology iPhone introduced to the mobile phone market, but drawing comparisons with the flagship device of the N-series is just out of line. N97 (Sedan) vs iPhone 3GS (2-door coupe). It's quite a silly comparison when they target to different users (tech-savvy and fashion-savvy).
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totally agree with the statement, its not that iphone isn't a great phone, but honestly, after using it awhile, its nothing special.. the interface is probably nice, and after probably a few years time, u will realise that its quite shitty when u can't change the battery yourself, its like and extra time bomb built in to the phone, u may have to fork out extra cash for it, and it could be a lot.. accessories wise, the price are always jacked up, cause its a premium item? well its not supposed to be, but they made it that way.

i changed from iphone to e71 and now to n97, and am loving the n97, though the occasional glitch and all, but mind you, iphone has it too.

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post Jul 16 2009, 11:40 AM

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Having the default ring tone issue. I have changed the nokia default ring tone in the General Profile, but still getting the default ring for certain contacts. In the individual contact profile it is pointing to a default ring tone. These default ring tone should follow the setting in the General profile right ? Somehow still getting the nokia default ring tone.

Anyone is having this issue ?
Using firmware v11

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post Jul 16 2009, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(acad615 @ Jul 16 2009, 11:14 AM)
totally agree with the statement, its not that iphone isn't a great phone, but honestly, after using it awhile, its nothing special.. the interface is probably nice, and after probably a few years time, u will realise that its quite shitty when u can't change the battery yourself, its like and extra time bomb built in to the phone, u may have to fork out extra cash for it, and it could be a lot.. accessories wise, the price are always jacked up, cause its a premium item? well its not supposed to be, but they made it that way.

i changed from iphone to e71 and now to n97, and am loving the n97, though the occasional glitch and all, but mind you, iphone has it too.
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going to buy iphone 3gs soon when it available on market... laugh.gif

1 n97...1 iphone 3gs... thumbup.gif
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post Jul 16 2009, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(BabyMilo_85 @ Jul 16 2009, 12:06 PM)
going to buy iphone 3gs soon when it available on market... laugh.gif

1 n97...1 iphone 3gs... thumbup.gif
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post Jul 16 2009, 12:40 PM

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guys.....im having problems for my n97,

1. photo taken blurred when viewed
2.pict cant be view when changed from vertical to horizontal (vise versa )
3.lag

is it because of too many pict taken.......

can sum1 help sad.gif
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post Jul 16 2009, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(lerweqs @ Jul 16 2009, 12:40 PM)
guys.....im having problems for my n97,

1. photo taken blurred when viewed
2.pict cant be view when changed from vertical to horizontal (vise versa )
3.lag

is it because of too many pict taken.......

can sum1 help    sad.gif
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1. It's a bug in firmware v10. Upgrade it to v11 and it's solved.
2. Does not happen to me. I can view in both ways.
3. Can be due to many thing, how bad? you dont get a 100% smooth interface. especially if you have the theme turned on. Just switch it off and i find the phone is pretty responsive.
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post Jul 16 2009, 02:19 PM

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post Jul 16 2009, 02:20 PM

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hey really fun thing to show my n97 to everyone in the campus in oz even the lecturer said it is a great mini laptop u have there...when i take out my phone using the qwerty keyboard...everyone eyes started to look at my phone...lolz
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QUOTE(blinky @ Jul 16 2009, 10:59 AM)
I've said this a lot of times and I'll say it again.

You cannot compare the Nokia N97 to the iPhone (whatever the series may be), simply because they are different. Phones like the Nokia N97, WinMo or even Android devices are smartphones. They are as close as you can get to a mobile computer.

iPhone, on the other hand, love it or hate it, it's NOT a smartphone. A lot of people might disagree, but how can the iPhone be a smartphone when it doesn't even perform the must fundamental function of a smartphone, which is to multitask?

Nokia N97 is targeted to the tech-savvy masses; whereas the iPhone is for a very niche market - the Apple fanboys. If you love Apple, you'll love the iPhone. If you love tech, you'll love the N97.

I won't tell you the advantages of the N97 over the iPhone because I can go on for another 10 paragraphs, but I can tell you what basic functions the iPhone 3GS does not have that even my 3 year-old N95 can outfunction it:

- No multitasking
- No file transfer over Bluetooth
- No Java support
- No LED for camera
- Which doesn't really matter because the camera is rubbish
- No hactic feedback on the touchscreen
- No proximity sensor
- No shutter key for the camera
- No stereo speakers, only mono
- No file manager
- No DIVX support
- The battery is shit

Stop comparing the iPhone to smartphones already. I think its competitors should be the Samsung Jet and LG Arena.

I'm not saying that the iPhone is inferior, but it's just different. I appreciate all the technology iPhone introduced to the mobile phone market, but drawing comparisons with the flagship device of the N-series is just out of line. N97 (Sedan) vs iPhone 3GS (2-door coupe). It's quite a silly comparison when they target to different users (tech-savvy and fashion-savvy).
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I must say i agreed with all the points above, but i wanted to point out a few opinion and fact that i've seen myself too.
Having big multitasking is a big no, for me, because i'd like to have my GPS, MSN Messenger and web browser open at the same time. Not one after another. However, i've seen it a friend's phone of mine (Iphone 2G) which he apparently h@cked and installed a third party program called "Backgrounder" that allows program to run in the background. So indirectly, multitasking. It runs pretty smoothly though. I wonder why apple doesnt want to natively support multitasking.

Web browsing experience is much better on iphone primariy because they are much smoother, and also the existence of multi touch technology which allow easy zoom/unzooming of a website. However, they will struggle when trying to open a full flash based website, while N97 is having much less trouble dealing with website requiring java and heavy flash content. I have my friend's Iphone 3.0 and my N97 side by side. Accessing the same website (full flash content) but his browser couldn't display anything at all. Mine is displaying everything correctly, but with very minor glitch where certain flash button could not be pressed. Mind you, a N97 can access a full computer version of youtube perfectly where iphone is depending on a special software develop to access youtube since they can't do it directly from the browser.

Also, i believe it's the haptic (i hope you dont mind the spelling correction) feedback you are talking about. However, having a capacitive screen means every button that you touch with your finger is a 100% hit. There won't be any chance for the button press to be miss, therefore there is no need to haptic. The haptic is in a form of mini vibration to let you know that you have indeed pressed a button which is very useful in on a resistive screen where you might accidently place too little pressure on a button and end up not pressing a button u wanted. I have the haptic thingy switched off because i i think it's draining the battery very quickly though. I have no problem pressing those button.

Again, when talking about iphone and n97, tech spec aside, people will tends to compared between its touchscreen technology. Capacitive(iphone) vs Resistive(n97). Initially, when i first use i phone, i must say i love their capacitive screen as i dont have to place any pressure on my finger to press those button on the screen. However, after getting a n97 and using it for a while, i found that i'm liking resistive screen more and more. Why? It's because i have tendency to use my fingernail to press the button since it feels more natural and accurate that way. I also liked the handwriting recognition which again, by using finger nail.

This cannot be achieved with iphone because no matter how hard you press using a nail (or in fact, anything other than your skin), the screen wont register a button press. The only catch is that, you must apply very very small pressure because this is what detected by a resistive screen; pressure.

So, for you guys button press using 1. SKIN ONLY with no pressure needed or 2. ANY MATERIAL including skin but with very slight pressure needed. Which would you choose? Personally i would choose 2 because i use about almost everything to draw on my screen. tongue.gif

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post Jul 16 2009, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(p1000 @ Jul 16 2009, 11:40 AM)
Having the default ring tone issue. I have changed the nokia default ring tone in the General Profile, but still getting the default ring for certain contacts. In the individual contact profile it is pointing to a default ring tone. These default ring tone should follow the setting in the General profile right ? Somehow still getting the nokia default ring tone.

Anyone is having this issue ?
Using firmware v11

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I also having this problem. Have to manually change it.
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post Jul 16 2009, 03:28 PM

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anyone here using nimbuzz?
sometimes when i connect via wifi, i get this error message : urgh, socket connection failed!
I've been given 3 options:

- retry socket connection
- use HTTP connection
- use Nimbuzz Web

Only the third option would work.

anyone knows how to fix this?
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I'm having issue with MMS. I don't seem to able to send out pic msg even tho I have configure the setting. Any help will be much appreciated! Thanks.
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post Jul 16 2009, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(lerweqs @ Jul 16 2009, 12:40 PM)
guys.....im having problems for my n97,

1. photo taken blurred when viewed

eh.... clik on the picutre to view in full screen. wait for 2s. it need time to refresh due to the big size of the 5mp photo's :-)

2.pict cant be view when changed from vertical to horizontal (vise versa )

eh.... V11 fix it liao

3.lag

eh.... all type of phones and camera will lag la when viewing a big size of photo.

is it because of too many pict taken.......

can sum1 help    sad.gif
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post Jul 16 2009, 04:48 PM

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guys.. guys... dun always compare wit iPhone... its a totally different class.... its like apple and orange.... taste different and have feels different too.. but its fruits... some like apple some like orange so nothing to compare about...

N97 works great as a sym phone except some stuff i dont like....
iPhone fun part is jsut the capacitive screen thats why its kinda better... but other than that whats there to shout about??? oh the icons are cool... well mac icons mostly looks better than winmo anyways...

in the event nokia were to decide to have capacitive screen instead or resistive i think then we can start talking.... cos iPhone is the first to start this game....


By the way anyone find it hard to use facebook widget?? the arrow thingy too small so cant hit it... everytime try to hit it it hits the right panel...

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i uninstall star reader widget then no more lag..
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facebook, i just visit facebook using web browser, and it works better for me >.< i didnt like the facebook app made for our phone, u can't view ur own status after awhile, when u want to reply comments. funky stuffs, only thing good, is that you can upload photo with ur built in camera.. other than that, i prefer the web browser version
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How's the battery consumption?
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mine on average last about 2 days, if i use the joikuspot program, while chatting with it on nimbuzz, email-ing and all, usually within one day i will have to charge it, it probably consumes a little more than my e71, i say.. 50% extra maybe?
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Iphone interface on N97 - Myphone!!





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