That was short. Lol. Is your mix for dry/humid setup? As I'd want to try for a humid one.

Lol, I use the mix for my highly-needed-humidity Ts only. So far so good

do your guys support captive breed or wild caught?
for me is both of them and what do you think about that ?

Captive breed.In fact,all of us here support CB.If u support WC species,u just supporting those sellers and that over-harvest the scorps and destroying their habitat and may lead to extinction of scorpions.

Firstly, I would like to tell i support both, please read. I wondering if no WILD CAUGHT then how to CAPTIVE BREED?

Secondly,u ask for opinions,i gave.Please read
But now do u knw how serious those wild catcher do?They over-harvest the scorpions.And do u wan me to elaborate more?I bet i did state it out just now

There are many CB specimen out there already. But the thing is how and which one would you prefer. It is obvious that there arent many CB AFS adults out there which i can assure you so many people wanted a large adult specimen and the only people who has any is the pet shop aka WC specimens. I do not support WC speciment cause of many reasons. Many scorps and other small animals has been affected by our doings in term of mass development and buring forests. If people still capture and sale these animals on market, it is obvious the sp will be decrease. For example, The Malaysian Earth Tiger Tarantula, many has been caught and brought to countries such as US, Europe. We the local has seen little of thsese sp in the wild. Mass collection has been done once the location is found.
I dont intend to tell you to stop buying WS specimen but think before you buy any. if you do buy a wc specimen, then u support the people who mass collection of them thus in support of destroying their species.

Every things have got positive and negative. Support CB is good (even me as well) and don't forget where's CB coming from, is it from wild caught? If no WC and how do you get new species to collect and even breed new species? or you can make it yourself? There are also many of buildings and houses are destroying their habitat and even your living place. Are you willing to stop buying houses and stop going shopping mall and somewhere else which destroying their habitat (Animals) as a CB supporter?

Yes...but which 1 u choose,the more positive 1 or more negative 1?


Yes...CB came frm WC,but those sp. we can get it in CB why we nid to support WC anymore?About new sp. we just hope dat those who found it take 2,1 male and 1 female to breed them and breed the offsprings.The problem now is,many ppl r overharvest the scorpions/tarantulas just to make profit not breed them.They just catch and sell.


I think u r the only 1 can do it



Dat is y we support CB...duh
And BTW...support CB sp. doesnt mean dat we dun touch those destroyed habitat anymore,we just try to minimize WC so there wont b overharvest of inverts.Wat done is done,dats y we try to find a way to prevent the extinction of inverts.If we support CB,we try to prevent the extinction of the sp.If we support WC,we just speed up the extinction of the sp.

I think u dun knw the meaning of overharvest.Here,this may help u
Overharvest

This post has been edited by HyourinMaru: Aug 7 2009, 03:06 AM

where CB specimen buy from?=breeder and how breeder get the specimen?=seller. Without seller how you guys get the specimen and how do breeder do breeding to sell to you? ''if you do buy a wc specimen, then u support the people who mass collection of them thus in support of destroying their species.'' What about if you buy from breeder? I support to buy CB as well but if no WC how do you get the specimen. I think that there also have sellers who wish hobbyist or collector can breed it and keep thier next generation. I'm not going to force you guys to support WC and I only wanted you guys think in positive situation too. I think that most of people will like adult even you and me and I'm sure you will also buy some of specimen from WC as well as a collector or hobbyist . Just a friendly advice

For species that already have been captive breed of cause its best to get a CB one rather than WC EG: AFS
Some species are hard2 get CB one, more WC available and for those i dun mind getting a pair of them and try to breed them here
EG: Lychas Scutilus

Ur free to debate here but dun try to change our perception to support wc

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Added on August 7, 2009, 7:01 amThe best is we can collect some WC one, breed them and release them back to the nature like what we can do for our local bark scorp
Anyway, u sound like a WC collector who sell WC invert, no offense though

This post has been edited by RyoKenzaki: Aug 7 2009, 07:01 AM

Like i said,we dun support WC frm the sp. we can get in CB.But if the sp. is rare in CB,then we will also buy WC and breed them.Then we dun buy WC of the same sp.And we wont buy many frm WC,we just nid to CB them

I think its the best to say that i dun support overharvest
Prefer to find them myself and juz take a pair or a gravid female back and breed them
People who harvested more than 100heads from the same location obviously is causing damages to the environment
If the seller only took a pair or a few pair and breed them, they can help reducing their number as well and support CB at the same time
Everyone can make a different, its just the matter of whether profit is more important to those that harvest them or the future of the environment
Sooner or later those animal will lost in their habitat as well and by that time let see how all of u guys who harvest them in the wild make profit from

Blindly supporting one side and being judgmental about the other normally professes into a very lopsided community. One which is easily manipulated by many of the bigger names in the hobby. I personally have come across quite a few of such characters. They openly go against wildcatching invertebrates, but also have their names listed as associates on companies that do exports of wildcaught animals.

But that aside, when push comes to shove. It all boils down to personal belief. I agree when you say that all original source for us hobbyists hails from the wild. That is, until we can establish our own captive care measures. Breeding them has to be of primary concern. It is also true that development of masses of lands and deforestation takes away more than poachers can ever do. But don't you honestly also think that the animals that come wild captured live in deeper, untouched jungles?

I have done my share of selling wild caught forest scorpions. They come dirt cheap. Adults and subadults - a shortcut ideal for the bidding hobbyist who is not willing to spend time and money on younglings. But believe me, when you see the sight where these scorpions are packed into small sealed plastic bags (yes plastic bags), piled knee-high into foam boxes and transported like fish to the market. Your heart sinks. Mine did.

Perhaps wildcatching should be a balanced thing. And once we can establish a stable number in captivity, the cycle of captive breeding and dispersion should follow suit.

P/s: Love the way you put things. You're a thinker! Welcome to the hobby.

cut off stinger on a scorpion

who the hell owns a scorpion but cut the stinger off?

its like saying "hey, i have a big p*n*s but i'm impotent".

and please moist the enclosure lawrence93. they are tropical scorpions not desert type.

speaking of Lychas Scutilus .........

breeding project unable to carry on due to the female is dead

The female as in urs or Rafiq?

On the Captive breeding:
Rafiq has stated all there. He is more experience that all of us put together. As for AFS, there are already tons on CB specimens out there y still choose a WC? Yes CB specimen does started from WC, But since we hv breed and raie their youngs for years now it is wise to buy from breeders. I know a guy who experiment in their size and took care lke a dozen of AFS since babies. But then again, this is rather a sensitive issue to some, sellers and pure hobbyist. The decission is yours. Like Rafiq has said "But believe me, when you see the sight where these scorpions are packed into small sealed plastic bags (yes plastic bags), piled knee-high into foam boxes and transported like fish to the market. Your heart sinks. Mine did." Please think...

that is scorpions just imagine the illicit dark animal trades like monkeys, parrots and such highly sought after exotic animals?

it will never stop. it can never be stop but we can always try to minimize the damage done by preferring CB specimens then WC ones.

if the specimen is rare then there is no other way then getting a WC specimen but if it's not and there are a lot of CB specimens of the species then CB is better

thats why the questions boils down to "why do you want an adult WC specimen which can be bought as an adult CB specimen?"

to show off, too breed, just for the fun of it, because it's cheap why?why?why?

To me its more fun to actually obtain a young scorpion as they are more interesting to watch growing to adult size. And doing so, train us or we learn how hard it is to actually feed the younglings. Imagine how they would find their food source in the wild. Well thats me anyway..

update on the splings...
One of the 2nd instar babies died... most probably got stepped by mum.. some of them already scaveging the tank. but returns to mama for protection.. cute... I even gave a crix and the mother just killed it, make some hole so its easier for the splings to eat, and i saw a bunch of them eat the crix parts.. the mother just stare at it... So the information is correct..

lol.forgot to update on my part.

already separated 8 of them from the mother. the rest are still on her.

i counted 4 death till today. i died cause by the mother step on it, 1 dien on top of her and stuck to the carapace, 2 more died during 1i.

still not seeing any moving off the mother this morning. the ones i already removed are very active but still pale white. just a hint of brown to them. will start feeding this sunday.

thanks to hyorinmaru i got a nice packet of mealworms for the babies. and i'm hoping my pinheads will be ready by end of next week.