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post Jul 11 2009, 04:06 PM, updated 17y ago

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SCORPION CONSERVATION

Introduction
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Conservation Concerns
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How You Can Help
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Benefits of Scorpions
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Derive from: http://scorpionconservation101.weebly.com/

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SCORPION AS PETS

Introduction
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Anatomy
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Glossary of Terms
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Sexing Scorpion
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Housing
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Food
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Handling
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Molting
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Venom
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Credits:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion
http://books.google.com.my/books?id=XjUwzS...=result#PPA3,M1
http://www.scorpionpictureguide.com/

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post Jul 11 2009, 04:10 PM

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CAPTIVE BREEDING

The Importance of Captive Breeding
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Promenade à deux
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Gestation
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Birthing
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The Cooling Period
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Parthenogenesis
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Raising First instar babies
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Credit:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Han...onbreeding.html
http://venomlist.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3838
Scorpions (Complete Pet Owner's Manual) by Manny Rubio

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post Jul 11 2009, 04:11 PM

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Scorpion Diseases

The mycosis :
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Bacterial attacks :
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Moult Problems :
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Parasite

Nematodes:
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Acarina :
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The phorid flies :
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Copy paste from: http://bultel.p.free.fr/En/Acceuil.htm

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Frequently Asked Question

Are all scorpions venomous?
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Is it true that the large scorpions are most dangerous?
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How can I tell if a scorpion is dangerous?
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Can i cut the scorpion's venom gland?
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How long does scorpions live?
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How large/how small can scorpions get?
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What is a good starter scorpion?
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How to differentiate a Asian Forest Scorpion and Emperor Scorpion?
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How long can Scorpion survive without food?
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What is instar?
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Scorpion will sting themself to death when a drop of alcohol is drop on them
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Scorpion will commit suicide when surrounded with a ring of fire
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Can i powerfeed my scorpion?
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Copy and paste from:
http://kenthebugguy.com/scorpions.html
http://www.ub.ntnu.no/scorpion-files/faq.php
http://www.dnp.go.th/FIG/misc%5Cscorpions%5Cfaq_e.htm
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_can_a_s..._food_and_water

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post Jul 11 2009, 04:14 PM

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OMG My scorpion gave birth! What should I do????!!!!
Most of the scorpion available in the pet trade are mostly wild caught or being keep communally
It's not odd to find that your Scorpion suddenly gave birth after keeping it for 1year because their gestation period can range from 8-13months depending on their diet, environment and other factors
So this is what I do when I notice my Scorpion gave birth last year

Step1: Leave the mom alone until she finish giving birth
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Step2: To feed or not to feed?
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Step3: Separating the scorpling
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They are still quite fragile in 2nd instar and tend to die when they molt to 3rd instar
The key is to keep the substrate damp (Not wet!) and make sure your scorpling is hydrated to keep them survive
With this method i have successfully raised 30 scorpling to 2nd instar out of 31 scorpling, 1of them died cause felt from the mom's back

FAQ
Can I feed my scorpling before they molt?
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When can i start feeding my scorpling?
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What should I feed to my scorpling?
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Disclaimer:
This method is only apply for Heterometrus and Pandimus Sp, for other sp, they need different care
For bark scorpion can refer to: http://www.mtsociety.com/forums/index.php?topic=290.0
For desert scorpion can refer to: http://www.mtsociety.com/forums/index.php?topic=291.0
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Useful Link
Scorpion Sting 1st Aids <------ Good information, recommended
The Scorpion Forum
Arachnoboards
The Venom List
Mes Scorpion <------ Very good info for identifying a scorpion, recommended
How to ship a scorpion
Raising Crickets
Raising Mealworms
Raising Roaches


Scorpion Keeper List
- Rafiqos
- TAGreptiles
- RyoKenzaki
- Rideon
- s98432512
- junshern222
- dizzychef
- Izzulogy
- Aros
- akagidemon
- HyourinMaru
- K.Fai
- joshkyj
- Farhadd
- Girugamesshu
- rism
- yhuii
- Jamien
- Corner32
- littlesaint
- aimeh
- girugaga
- ccling
- geo

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post Jul 11 2009, 08:07 PM

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Lets discuss captive breeding
Please try minimize spam/unnecessary chat/one line reply and short form use in this version
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post Jul 11 2009, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(HyourinMaru @ Jul 11 2009, 08:09 PM)
Wahahaha...any1 hav experience in breeding their scorps?Is inbreeding ok in scorpion? hmm.gif


Added on July 11, 2009, 8:11 pmRafiqos thread:http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/874084
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If im not mistaken result of inbreeding scorpion is not as bad as in mammal
Once in a while, new blood line shld be introduce
And i heard inbreeding cause the number of offspring to decrease
Not really sure bout tat

QUOTE(K.Fai @ Jul 11 2009, 08:11 PM)
Captive breeding is the process of breeding rare or endangered species

wat sp. we nid to preserve them?

if they are really  rare or endangered species we cant simply get them and do captive breeding
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Captive breeding can mean breeding any animal captively so we can release them back to the nature or we can have supply of certain species without taking them from the wild
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post Jul 11 2009, 08:31 PM

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Basically from wat i know cross breeding between same genus is possible
Going over the genus border line is not possible cause the operculum opening does not fit the spermatophore from other genus
But dun quote me, i din really research on it as im not interested in creating a "un-pure" creature

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There is 7 reports done by scorpilogists of different species starting the mating dance, 4 of which from different genera. Only 2 was an actual spermatophore dropped, between a Euscorpius and Androctonus pair. In the Androctonus pair (A. australis male x A. maurectanicus female) there was 42 hybrid young produced.

BUT, A. austalis and A. maurectanicus do NOT meet in the wild at any given time, their distrubition does not over lap. So while it HAS happened, it won't happen in the wild.

Scorpions also just "know" that even if they did hyrbidize in the wild, that it would not be sucessful. i.e. matrality, serility, or decreased fitness of hybrid offspring. This is Postzygotic barriers.

And prezygotic barriers are things about the mating itself/where the scorpion comes from. i.e. speices specifc pheromones, anatomical characteristics, courtship behavior, and differences in seasonal phenology range and habitat.

So you can do it in capitivty, but it will never happen in their natural habitat. And if it doesn't happen naturally, I don't see the point of making happen in captivity.

And spacehawk, I think Brian means if you make a B. jacksoni/B.gigas hybrid it will eventually breed again and soon there will be as many hybrids as pure B.jacksoni and B. gigas. So if you *do* hyrbidize, at least don't sell the young and don't breed them again. If you cross breed it should be only for a scintific stand point, and even at that I do not agree with it 100%.
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread...ighlight=hybrid


Added on July 11, 2009, 8:33 pm
QUOTE(east_wing @ Jul 11 2009, 08:22 PM)
Striped Barkscorpion..is it for beginner..? i saw rafiqos selling it..smile.gif
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They are quite fast and venom quite potent, not suitable...

QUOTE(K.Fai @ Jul 11 2009, 08:23 PM)
oo

for now we are still hard to make the captive breeding

we dont nid to breed the AFS and liocheles coz we can see them everywhere

my fren and i are now trying had on centruroides magaritatus

lester's  Orthochirus S.Negebensis  are 2 female, cant do mating

i think ryo should save his 10 Hottentotta Hottentotta  and breed them
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U said that because u never went herping before
Most of the AFS u saw on pets store or in fact selling by LYN member are Wild Caught
Captive breeding is important disregard which sp it is

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I believe u mean after she gave birth
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post Jul 11 2009, 08:53 PM

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Pets Wonderland, mostly wild caught
U can check for mites b4 getting
Buy from littlesaint, cheap and captive breed, mites free
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QUOTE(akagidemon @ Jul 11 2009, 09:38 PM)
some updates.

have house all the scorpions into the containers.
upon closer inspection i have to conclude that all of lester's scorpions are fat. i have never seen such fat scorpions before.

the "mama" is still giving birth. i have decided not to put her into the maternity ward since i'm worried she will be more stress out and starts to eat more of her youngs.

the other female is in the "maternity ward" and is doing fine.

the rest of the scorpions which are all males except for 1 that i couldn't sexs are house communally and i see the same "asking for permission" behavior as i see in my longimanus.
they would vibrate the tail and if he/she is accepted then they can share the hide.

the longinanuses are also doing well and are eating again.
they seems to like temperature in the upper 30 degrees. 

i would like to add that spinifers are way bigger then longimanus.
don;t know if they pinch harder then the longimanus.

will find out when i have the time.

eastwing' again i asked of you get an afs if you are interested in having a scorpion.
it will save a lot of your time and also who knows even your life.
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Watt exactly is ur maternity ward???
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QUOTE(akagidemon @ Jul 11 2009, 09:51 PM)
an enclosure right beside my bed.

basically i can kiss the thing if i turn my head.

i am very sensitive to sound and if the scorpions is taping the wall enclosure i can wake up and see what it is up too.

the enlcosure is devoid of any decorations has a water dish and a food dish which has 1 or 2 mealworms inside.
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U can remove the mealworm le...
If she ady finish giving birth she probably already gain back her nutrient after consuming the babies, having mealworm inside may lead to stress

QUOTE(HyourinMaru @ Jul 11 2009, 09:58 PM)
The mom may nid it.If it cant find any food it may consume its splings.Even u wanna feed u shud try akagidemon way to let the mom go for the food rather than u feed it cos this may stress her and may end up more spling devoured
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If the mom wanted2 regain lost nutrient she ll do it right away after birth and will eat the babies which is nearest to her instead of going out exposing herself with the babies to predator to search for food so her scorp probably ady eaten le

QUOTE(K.Fai @ Jul 11 2009, 10:15 PM)
i dun dare to touch the lizard

it will make my mum to scream
if i hunt lizard inside my house

she still dono that i keep some cute little creature in my room


Added on July 11, 2009, 10:27 pmerm another question about herping

can we find scorpion in cameroon highland?
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Sure, if u knw where and how2 find

QUOTE(K.Fai @ Jul 11 2009, 10:50 PM)
she is very active in exploring and climbing here and there

but when come to hunting she a definitely a lazy scorpion

i nid to put the cricket beside her claw then onli she wil consumes the cricket
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I suspect its because u feed her too much!
U mentioned u feed her few crix a day rite?
If so of cause duwan eat la = =''

QUOTE(junshern222 @ Jul 11 2009, 10:50 PM)
hey ryo,congrats on the opening of the new thread.
about the c.marga thing,please let me know if there was anything going wrong.i understand the availability if the particular species,and i have to thank you for the effort of bringing in the species.but i hope we as a newbie has the chance to own of keep this wonderful species.the bark is the only one available other than LQ,so which would you think suits more for the beginner?we both know and go through before the feelings of the eagerness of getting new scorpion species,other than spinifers.
anyway,very very sorry for my friend of handling the bark scorpion,dont worry, i believe these kind of act will be occuring no more.
i really love the thread as well as the communities,but then my time is just limited,hetic study life.
sorry ryo for all the mess.no hard feelings yea.
also,looking forward to the hottentotta,my costa rican is missing you already..
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Ar, why so serious, i ady told u i dun mind the handling cause it was an accident
I juz wan2 know where those C.Marg went nia...
I understand the feeling where we wan to get other sp but u shld be in my shoes too
I prefer them to go to the hand of the experienced so they have higher chance to survive
But i that's ur choice i cant control, i juz said wat i think la...
Anw bout the deal will have to see 1st, cant confirm with u yet but i not really interested with T hmm...

QUOTE(akagidemon @ Jul 11 2009, 11:02 PM)
babycurus gigas.
i want to know what you guys think of this species as my next scorpion.
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That is one gorgeous sp, my wanted list blush.gif
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Well i dun mean to sound harsh but thats the best for the thread
After all a thread with alot of chat is nothing good to read
But if u all wan can always post anything u wan because i have no right to control the post in this thread

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U might wanna get B.Jacksoni first as B.Gigax is quite pricey at the moment
But if u wan shoot me a pm, i think i know some1 selling them, well not in Malaysia of cause
B.Jacksoni, baldy is selling if im nt mistaken
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Dubia are rarely available here, i dunno anyone selling it atm hmm
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QUOTE(akagidemon @ Jul 12 2009, 01:45 AM)
cannot like that.

when selecting a sp to buy we must consider a lot of factors.

any animal in fact. let it be a cat or a betta fish we must put a lot of thought into the purchase.
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Very wise, how nice if everyone will think like u
To be frank my 2nd scorpion sp is Parabuthus Pallidus which is mis-id as a Yellow Fat Tail tongue.gif
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QUOTE(akagidemon @ Jul 12 2009, 02:11 AM)
at last a lead.

ok i'll contact him. thanks rideon.

any members here is in miri? i'll be going there either tomorrow or on monday.

i want to see (if the will allow me) their setups.
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Believe me i seen it
The area in my housing area used2 be cover with green but now they are no more left

QUOTE(HyourinMaru @ Jul 12 2009, 02:13 AM)
Is Liocheles Waigiensis bigger than Liocheles Australasiae?Humidity nid 80%-90%?? blink.gif
I wonder y nobody is interested in this sp. hmm.gif
ANW...my next target,hopefully:
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Who say no1 interested? I interested but who selling? lol....
I only know rafiqos got them

QUOTE(s98432512 @ Jul 12 2009, 08:43 AM)
how come haven come find me >>???  lol ..
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No chatting pls cool.gif
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Damm, mine fast for a week+ suddenly yesterday they eat doh.gif

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