::V5::Scorpion-Thread::V5::, Today's Topic: Captive Breeding
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 Aug 3 2009, 12:58 PM
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453 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Between Reality and Fantasy  
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save yourself the headache and just get a captive breed juvinile afs.
it is much more rewarding. no worth the trouble to get a WC specimen but it's full of parasites. in a worse case scenario, what ever parasites it have can be spread to you tarantula collection. This post has been edited by akagidemon: Aug 3 2009, 01:00 PM |
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Aug 3 2009, 01:49 PM
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464 posts Joined: Jul 2005 From: Smurf Village 
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To those whom have inquired and I still owe adult AFS to, I will still continue with giving you the best scorpions I can get. However, as of today. I am quitting the sales of WC AFS.
The continued and deliberate poaching of these scorpions without knowing bounds is too much for me to consciously support. It's about time we seriously think about keeping young ones from the broods already established in the hobby and keep the cycle going instead of harvesting them from the wild with no end. I have done enough damage already. |
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Aug 3 2009, 02:28 PM
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239 posts Joined: Dec 2008 From: Bandar Baru Bangi, Cyberjaya, United Kingdom 
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Do not support WC specimen.. if you have a breeding project then get yourself a CB specimen from other members or if there is none then its ok to get WC to start off your colony.. but i do not support wc specimens. Like Rafiq has just said... Enough damage has been done.. we have many members now. and absolutely one of us have more than 1 extra adults or scorplings...
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Aug 3 2009, 02:29 PM
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453 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Between Reality and Fantasy
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almost all of us have some extra scorplings but not adults.
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Aug 3 2009, 02:31 PM
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239 posts Joined: Dec 2008 From: Bandar Baru Bangi, Cyberjaya, United Kingdom
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well i got way to many spling already...
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Aug 3 2009, 02:32 PM
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453 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Between Reality and Fantasy
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we keep the adults for breeding purposes. if your just getting an adult specimen for display purposes then it is not right.
it is not in my power to stop you but ethically it is not right. |
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Aug 3 2009, 02:35 PM
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239 posts Joined: Dec 2008 From: Bandar Baru Bangi, Cyberjaya, United Kingdom
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err... i have adults specimens.. and it is on display... but it also is a breeding purpose... thats y i have M/F... dont want them to be er... Homos...lol
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Aug 3 2009, 02:45 PM
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453 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Between Reality and Fantasy
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those are my longis.
homo longis. facepalm.jpg |
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Aug 3 2009, 02:49 PM
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239 posts Joined: Dec 2008 From: Bandar Baru Bangi, Cyberjaya, United Kingdom
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i will b conducting annother project.. and this will b the growth rate.. will try to experiement to make some scorpling grow faster and grow larger than normal sizes.. This has been done before and still on the go. wanted to do the same but through Food sources, Temp and area size.
all i need now is the splings to come down from mama... |
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Aug 3 2009, 03:05 PM
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453 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Between Reality and Fantasy
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put them in air tight container an pump pure oxygen till the oxygen saturation in the container reaches 100%.
give them a lot of food and keep humidity in check. and maybe just maybe you can get something like brontoscorpio. |
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Aug 3 2009, 03:11 PM
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49 posts Joined: Oct 2008 From: Malaysia / USA / Scorpion Land
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QUOTE(akagidemon @ Aug 3 2009, 04:05 PM) put them in air tight container an pump pure oxygen till the oxygen saturation in the container reaches 100%. 100% O2 ???? HMMM I DOUDT ANYTHIGN CAN SURVIVE IN IT .. give them a lot of food and keep humidity in check. and maybe just maybe you can get something like brontoscorpio.   Added on August 3, 2009, 3:12 pm QUOTE(akagidemon @ Aug 3 2009, 03:45 PM) those are my longis. can see pic lei homo longis. facepalm.jpg  This post has been edited by s98432512: Aug 3 2009, 03:12 PM |
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Aug 3 2009, 03:13 PM
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453 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Between Reality and Fantasy
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just make sure don't have a naked flame or else will go kaboom.
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Aug 3 2009, 03:15 PM
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409 posts Joined: Mar 2009
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Can i ask any1 gt any juv AFS selling?
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Aug 3 2009, 03:15 PM
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49 posts Joined: Oct 2008 From: Malaysia / USA / Scorpion Land
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QUOTE(rideon @ Aug 3 2009, 03:49 PM) i will b conducting annother project.. and this will b the growth rate.. will try to experiement to make some scorpling grow faster and grow larger than normal sizes.. This has been done before and still on the go. wanted to do the same but through Food sources, Temp and area size. i read from some where that the temperture do play a part in tegrowth o fthe scorpling ... i think brainS wrote the write - up but i forget where is it now ...........all i need now is the splings to come down from mama... |
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Aug 3 2009, 03:46 PM
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502 posts Joined: May 2009
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@wp188-U can get afs splings frm members here.This month is the splings month so i guess u can get frm them who wiling to let go some of them.
 Plus,it is better to start wiv spling if u r really interested in scorpions and wan to study about them.This is bcos u can experience different situation such as molting,burrowing,feeding and etc etc.If u start wiv an adult,all u can do is just feed them,mist them and they sometimes burrow only.Plus,u can only find a mate for it. And if u start wiv a spling,the "journey" for it b wiv u is much more memorable frm the time it was a spling until it bcame adult and mate and produce offsprings comparing when u just got an adult and start to mate it. Anyway,the decision is in ur hand Hope u will enjoy in this forum and share things wiv us so we can also learn frm u |
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Aug 3 2009, 04:04 PM
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2,313 posts Joined: May 2008 
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QUOTE(s98432512 @ Aug 3 2009, 12:22 AM) hi rideon... i have tried that experiemnt myself before.. I think not all of them eat as frequent as their sibling, so those will molt slower than otherspersonally these are my findings from my research ... when the afs scorpling are house together .. they grew the fastest but the lag between the scopling molthing were abt one month different from the 1st scopling molting and the last scorpling molting this might be due to competition of food etc and the 1st to molt will be the boss.... to show the rest who is the boss When afs scorpling are house own it own they tend to molt the slowest.. taking forever to molt .... with compare to afs scolping house together .. the different can different by almost 2 months, my afs scolpings all molted and it is only after 1.5 - 2 months that my afs scorplings that own its own start to molt......one by one .. reasons were unknow........ even tot they were all from the same batch ... i did not conduct any experiment housing the scopling with their mum as i believe that the mum will consume the little ones when it start to be hungry .. it juz the matter of when it start hungry .... do take note on tat ..  Urs took 1month from 2nd instar to 3rd rite? Mine took the same time being house individually QUOTE(s98432512 @ Aug 3 2009, 01:00 AM) hi ...wherer are you located @ .. if u are located in places like johor babru , AFS are almost in every pet shop Very nice L.Mucronatus!» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(akagidemon @ Aug 3 2009, 12:01 PM) its a reminder to all of us rideon. We cant mate scorp from the different genuslets put that aside and on a different note. hybrid morph? can try but don;t know the resutl lol. maybe the male will die or the female will die. maybe the offspring will not get to 2 instar or die during birth. but it is unknown territory. can;t imagine a H.A mating with a Arizona Bark scorp. the result, if there is any a scorpion with a very fast nature and lethal sting. maybe it will have better endurance and tolerance to the climate. really don't know. but if it can be done and selective breeding is possible in between of the same sp and families, they will be a lot of trouble. new antivenom will have to be research and produce. Every genus (Or species) have different spermatophore and if im not wrong, different species/genus genital opening cannot receive the spermatophore from other genus/species If u all are giving example of gecko morph, those are morph but still the same species and we indeed can breed a scorp that are same sp but different morph Example the xeric and mesic for centruroides sp I know i ady said this once but i wan2 say again Why wan to risk mix breeding the scorp when we ady have beautiful/interesting pure breed specimen? We are not god, dun mess with god's creation Look wat happen to the liger, they cant produce offspring, its a sign for us, human QUOTE(rafiqos @ Aug 3 2009, 01:49 PM) To those whom have inquired and I still owe adult AFS to, I will still continue with giving you the best scorpions I can get. However, as of today. I am quitting the sales of WC AFS. Good to hear that, hopefully we can get more CB afs soon!The continued and deliberate poaching of these scorpions without knowing bounds is too much for me to consciously support. It's about time we seriously think about keeping young ones from the broods already established in the hobby and keep the cycle going instead of harvesting them from the wild with no end. I have done enough damage already. |
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Aug 3 2009, 05:07 PM
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239 posts Joined: Dec 2008 From: Bandar Baru Bangi, Cyberjaya, United Kingdom
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@wp188 - i have a a sub adult.. only few molts b4 adulthood. Its my member's one.. he already got tons of it and willingly to sell this one. so let me know through pm if interested... you can either buy it or trade it.. his a damn maniac on Tarantula and snakes..since you are a T member just mayb u have something to trade in?...
Added on August 3, 2009, 5:08 pmi hear we have a topic to discuss here.... Wild caught Specimen (WC) VS Captive Breeding Specimen (CB)... Added on August 3, 2009, 5:09 pmand welcome back boss..(ryo) long time havent hear anything 4rm u.. busy eh boss? This post has been edited by rideon: Aug 3 2009, 05:09 PM |
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Aug 3 2009, 05:13 PM
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49 posts Joined: Oct 2008 From: Malaysia / USA / Scorpion Land
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QUOTE(rideon @ Aug 3 2009, 06:07 PM) @wp188 - i have a a sub adult.. only few molts b4 adulthood. Its my member's one.. he already got tons of it and willingly to sell this one. so let me know through pm if interested... you can either buy it or trade it.. his a damn maniac on Tarantula and snakes..since you are a T member just mayb u have something to trade in?... he monday off ....Added on August 3, 2009, 5:08 pmi hear we have a topic to discuss here.... Wild caught Specimen (WC) VS Captive Breeding Specimen (CB)... Added on August 3, 2009, 5:09 pmand welcome back boss..(ryo) long time havent hear anything 4rm u.. busy eh boss? oppss... hahahahaha This post has been edited by s98432512: Aug 3 2009, 05:17 PM |
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Aug 3 2009, 05:18 PM
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239 posts Joined: Dec 2008 From: Bandar Baru Bangi, Cyberjaya, United Kingdom
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i really wish to see ur old siggy again lester... dont know wht else you have in ur collection....
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Aug 3 2009, 05:19 PM
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49 posts Joined: Oct 2008 From: Malaysia / USA / Scorpion Land
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QUOTE(rideon @ Aug 3 2009, 06:18 PM) i really wish to see ur old siggy again lester... dont know wht else you have in ur collection.... hmmm abit of scorpion and tarantulas plus 2 pacman lol .. |
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