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xavierkang
post Sep 24 2009, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(chtan @ Sep 24 2009, 11:46 AM)
As i have explained earlier 2ms and 5ms is of no different at all cause your LCD only update at 59hz/60hz. And 2 ms in lcd is always bullshit, they use overdrive (cheating) to achieve this.....
Not really.... there are at least 2 TN panels monitors (like, Samsung 2233RZ) that goes to true 120Hz refresh rates.... thus requiring DL-DVI bandwidth.

b.t.w. a true 120Hz panel only requires a full pixel response of only 8.33 ms. A 5ms GtG panel may be still too slow for a true 120Hz panel (Full pixel response, BTWTB, may exceed 8.33ms).
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post Sep 24 2009, 02:05 PM

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why is the price for used lcd monitor is not so differ with the new one?
i asked one shop at shah alam and surprisingly the price for used 19 inch lcd monitor is near to the new one...
how about other places?
any comments?
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QUOTE(silentGyn @ Sep 24 2009, 12:46 PM)
Hi all,

Does anybody know what is the price for Samsung Syncmaster 2333SW LCD monitor? Thank you smile.gif
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RM600 from LYN garage sale; display cards & monitors section... smile.gif
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post Sep 24 2009, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(BeastX @ Sep 24 2009, 12:55 PM)
Not really.... there are at least 2 TN panels monitors (like, Samsung 2233RZ) that goes to true 120Hz refresh rates.... thus requiring DL-DVI bandwidth.

b.t.w. a true 120Hz panel only requires a full pixel response of only 8.33 ms. A 5ms GtG panel may be still too slow for a true 120Hz panel (Full pixel response, BTWTB, may exceed 8.33ms).
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Basically, 2ms you need 500hz refresh rate screen. 5ms required 200hz. So, do you think 120hz is fast enough to show the different? Think again.
When buying LCD, what you should be aware of is it's display lag/delay not respond time. As long as it is anything above 8ms, there shouldn't be any different.

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QUOTE(chtan @ Sep 24 2009, 03:03 PM)
Basically, 2ms you need 500hz refresh rate screen. 5ms required 200hz. So, do you think 120hz is fast enough to show the different? Think again.
When buying LCD, what you should be aware of is it's display lag/delay not respond time. As long as it is anything above 8ms, there shouldn't be any different.
GTG rating being adverstised does not correlate with refresh rate that way.

2ms or 5ms GTG hardly qualifies for a full pixel twist and back (which is roughly 2x the GTG rating).. Only TN with 2ms GTG (and roughly @ 5ms BTWTB) is sufficiently fast enough for a true 120Hz, a requirement for nvidia's 3d in which each eye is blocked 60 x/s (60Hz) intermittently.

A 5ms GTG panel with roughly 10ms BTWTB full pixel twisting is not fast enough at 120Hz.

Delay ... it is the time required for the monitor to process the signal before output... say compared to a CRT.

Both CRTs and LCDs have delays.. but even the best quality LCD may have an average 20 to 30ms longer delay than CRTs. The fastest panels (without much processing) may have an average delay in the teens ms (exp: 10 to 15ms), at times the delay is even at 0ms.

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QUOTE(BeastX @ Sep 24 2009, 03:45 PM)
GTG rating being adverstised does not correlate with refresh rate that way.

2ms or 5ms GTG hardly qualifies for a full pixel twist and back (which is roughly 2x the GTG rating).. Only TN with 2ms GTG (and roughly @ 5ms BTWTB) is sufficiently fast enough for a true 120Hz, a requirement for nvidia's 3d in which each eye is blocked  60 x/s (60Hz) intermittently.

A 5ms GTG panel with roughly 10ms BTWTB full pixel twisting is not fast enough at 120Hz.

Delay ... it is the time required for the monitor to process the signal before output... say compared to a CRT.

Both CRTs and LCDs have delays.. but even the best quality LCD may have an average 20 to 30ms longer delay than CRTs. The fastest panels (without much processing) may have an average delay in the teens ms (exp: 10 to 15ms), at times the delay is even at 0ms.
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So, at the end with 120hz lcd, you shouldn't notice any differences between 2ms and 5ms, less say about 59/60hz panel.
Thats my point.
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QUOTE(chtan @ Sep 24 2009, 04:07 PM)
So, at the end with 120hz lcd, you shouldn't notice any differences between 2ms and 5ms, less say about 59/60hz panel.
Thats my point.
5ms GTG not sufficiently fast enough to properly display true 120Hz. So, at 120Hz, big difference, as 5ms GTG is incapable. (only 2 TN LCDs now @ true 120Hz)

2ms & 5ms GTG no perceptible difference at 60Hz. (Majority of LCDs, excluding the 2 ^ & a few others)

Those are my points.

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samsung 23 inch monitor 50000:1 , 1920 - 1080, 5ms, RM 670

is it worth buying ?


Added on September 24, 2009, 5:35 pm
QUOTE(silentGyn @ Sep 24 2009, 12:46 PM)
Hi all,

Does anybody know what is the price for Samsung Syncmaster 2333SW LCD monitor? Thank you smile.gif
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i saw the price some where is Rm 650

This post has been edited by icegig: Sep 24 2009, 05:35 PM
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Try look at this Alienware OptX Aw2210 21.5"

RM999 By Dell.
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Hi, im looking for an lcd monitor below 600. Any nice recomendation? Thanks
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QUOTE(Onion-KiD @ Sep 24 2009, 06:41 PM)
Try look at this Alienware OptX Aw2210 21.5"

RM999 By Dell.
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Link doesn't work.
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Sep 24 2009, 06:50 PM)
Hi, im looking for an lcd monitor below 600. Any nice recomendation? Thanks
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u can get acer x233h for rm560 at pc zone..other shop maybe cheaper..or add rm60 more n get h233h if u need hdmi..
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QUOTE(chanws8 @ Sep 24 2009, 02:18 PM)
RM600 from LYN garage sale; display cards & monitors section... smile.gif
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Gosh so cheap like that meh? Including cables? hmm.gif

QUOTE(kianwee @ Sep 24 2009, 08:29 PM)
Link doesn't work.
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For some reason direct link is not working for Dell.
U'll hv to browse for urself
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QUOTE(our_team89 @ Sep 24 2009, 08:42 PM)
u can get acer x233h for rm560 at pc zone..other shop maybe cheaper..or add rm60 more n get h233h if u need hdmi..
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thanks.. i will check it out...
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Ah... link no working. sorry.
Try go www.dell.com.my for the detail


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QUOTE(our_team89 @ Sep 24 2009, 08:42 PM)
u can get acer x233h for rm560 at pc zone..other shop maybe cheaper..or add rm60 more n get h233h if u need hdmi..
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Jayacom is RM 540 for x233H I suppose.

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Just got back from window shopping...
off topic a bit
sony's bravia tv damn nice....so lifelike
on topic:
make me wanna buy better picture quality lcd monitor to enjoy full hd movies tongue.gif

currently using acer generic 21inch full hd monitor

can suggest a nice IPS panel monitor?
budget around rm1400

This post has been edited by nightshade_nova: Sep 24 2009, 10:01 PM
JasonJenn
post Sep 24 2009, 11:30 PM

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After weeks of contemplation, i've finally decided to get the Samsung P2450H... bought at Sri Computer for RM980 inclusive of HDMI Cable..

Still getting use to the size and width of the monitor..

Wanted to post pictures but don't know how.. can somebody teach me.. noobie here..

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