some technology may not take off due to economies of scale. Like the Concord, the plane was so advanced and more advanced than today's planes.

But it failed. Why? Because no volume.

The same with plasmas. Pioneer, so good also, failed. Why? There was no volume.

All this Neo PDP stuff, no point if there is no volume in sales.

Unless there is volume in sales, it would be doomed for failure as there is no economies of scale.

Panasonic knows this. Last time, they priced their 50 inch PY700 at RM19,999. Nobody bought. Nobody even looked at it.

The same thig would happen to the G series as people are cost conscious nowdays and know that RM3k buys you a great plasma already.

michaeltan1943, I could not agree with you more on Pioneers economics of scale and the fact that they are dead in terms of displays.

I was merely responding to the original poster, who asked the differences between NeoPDP and the S series. There are differences, whether or not he believes it is value for money depends on the individual. The point that I am trying to make is not a economic point, but more of a technical point. Also if the G series is a THX certified neo PDP than the primary colours will also be more accurate.

To the person who views colour accuracy and picture details as important these are the differences, to the person who does not than this is not even a question.

xtually, if use plasma watching astro oni, got neopdp or not is not a major problem rite....coz the PQ will always same..rite?

I doubt the G10 will be that slim, though it would be interesting to see how much slimmer it would be as compared to the S10. I believe the real slim ones will be the 'Z' series, if i am not wrong.

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Added on June 17, 2009, 5:58 pmThanks for yr notes on the NeoPDP. And you are right, this thread is not about whether NeoPDP is a gimmick or what sales strategies Panasonic has. Just a consumer who wants to know whether the main difference btw the S10 and G10 (ie. the NeoPDP) is worth the price difference. I guess until someone has tested the physical unit, we will never know for sure how much more slimmer or brighter it is. So who has one already?

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Added on June 17, 2009, 6:01 pmIf watching Astro only then a CRT would be the best solution. So no, I would be using it for HD output also.

This post has been edited by Lone*Wolf: Jun 17 2009, 06:01 PM

Actually, unless Astro becomes fully digital with HDMI output, no plasma, no matter how cheap or how much technology would even be worth it.

Let's face it, most peple's tv habits consists of 90% watching Astro.

When one have gone overseas and seen how good digital tv is on flat panels, one would know how all malaysians are being conned.

how much is an X10 nowadays?

X10 still got promotion and they widen their promotion with other model...i just thinking, why pana sell cheap2 one new model...

NeoPDP G10 will be on the display shelf by next week.

Eh, why only next week? Went to a shop in Gombak early this week and they already carrying the G10 to their shop wor...

Anyway, will be waiting for your feedback on this, this week or next week

BTW, do you know will the S10 promo end?

Msians are cost conscious. They would probably generally ignore the G when displayed in shops. The very rich won't even bother with 42 inch and would go for 50 inches.

Though there would be a handful of buyers for 42 inch G, mainly enthusiast, the volume would still be X and S.

So, one can rest assured that any higher models than G, either won't be brought into Msia or not promoted at all.

So, X and S would mainly be sold everywhere.

there is a minority of the customers who will still demand for the premium models

the latest Sony model which is 40" and its price is nearly RM20k. this price is 3x more expensive than P42G10k. sony enthusiasts will still rather buy this model instead of panny G series. SONY, LIKE NO OTHER.

fyi, by november, panasonic malaysia will launch Z series 54" ultra slim NeoPDP at RM20K ++. this model is the one appeared in Sunway Pyramid during the panasonic launching in April, 8.8mm thickness

This post has been edited by iamsobloodysick: Jun 19 2009, 11:55 PM

Yes, there will always be a 'luxury' segment that goes for the premium models. I think michaeltan1943's point is that such people are in the minority and hence demand for premium models will be lower in MY. With lower demand we see lower volume and less discounting/promotion.

exactly. Like Mercedes S class and E class. There are a small minority who would pay for a S class but Merc Malaysia knows, their bread and butter is from the C and E class.

Same with plasma.

But the G might fail big time as it is too heavily priced in today's world. Unlike high end cars which appeal to the status conscious people, and they buy it to show off their status, in the plasma world, there is no such thing as status.

The manufacturer can only appeal to enthusiasts. And there aren't many enthusiasts in Malaysia who have lots of money.

i dont see the G series is heavily priced.

in fact, you take a look at Sharp, Samsung, or Sony LCD tv which has similar spec (new model), the price is by minimum RM2k to RM4k more expensive than G series.

another nearest comparison is against Pioneer 42" as G series (or previous PY850 series) is the rival model of Pioneer's so-called Kuro.

Pioneer focuses on 50" Plasma tv only this year because its 42" model die out in the market due to its premium price.

furthermore, Pioneer buys its 50" FHD PDP panel from panasonic and the selling price in the market is RM20k for the latest model, pioneer buyers are still a lot in the market.

This post has been edited by iamsobloodysick: Jun 19 2009, 04:17 PM

iamsobloodysick,

Pioneer was supposed to buy their panels from Panasonic from next year, however we all know that they are dead. All their panels came from their Japan plasma plant. The plant produced the last batch of panels this year in May.

michaeltan1943,

Anyway, I believe that there will be a niche market and there will be a mass market. There are cases where the companies that service the niche market survive. I believe it is becoming more difficult for the companies with only niche products to survive, but it is not impossible. Some come to mind and some of them are in the electronics industry.

There are a lot of people who care for things other than quality. The discussions in this thread itself shows that. I guess it is up to the individual to decide what is important for him/her.

G series not heavily priced, i think the S series was too lightly priced. imagine getting a FHD plasma TV with free Blu Ray player for less than RM5k...

i think bcos of price S series will sell more..

sticking to the thread, my vote -> Not to NEO

There is plenty of Full HD 42" LCD in the market now for a liitle more than RM3k. So do you think a lot of consumers will not think that the 42S is overprice?

A direct answer, thank you. May I know why? Due to the price difference? Or the improvements over the older (cheaper) panel is insignificant?

plasma is in a different league. The S is still the best value FHD plasma around.

Most people buy LCD because the retailer don't let them test Astro int he showroom. Once they go home and see their Astro on their LCD, then they regret.

the current FOC BD60 makes the S series look a lot cheaper and hence the people pick S10 (without BD60) instead of X10 (without camera).

when the current package over, you will see RM1k difference between X10 and S10.

by that time, people will say rather save RM1k to buy X10 instead.