As we speak, the G10 has finally arrived and shipped to dealers. RRP = RM6,399. TV ONLY.

The S10's RRP = RM4,499.

Major difference btw the two is the NeoPDP.

Want some feedback as whether the NeoPDP is worth the extra RM2K?

G10 is for those people who target on Pioneer KURO but having a tight budget.

S10 is a general FHD model for the standard consumer market.

Neo-PDP or Neo-XYZ...i personally don't care. As long as I get good picture to meet my expectations. What if next year if they update with Neo-ABC, are you going to update again? Can't you really see the difference? All company will come out with all sorts of gimmick with space age name to squeeze every cents out of your pocket. Its up to you whether you think its worth it or not.

For me, I try not to worry too much about paper spec. Just enjoy the movies!

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 16 2009, 07:25 PM

for once, you have given a logical comment. I have to agree fully.

just because you have different view from mine doesn't make my comment any more illogical.

technology is evolving every minute. if you dont come out with something space name which can get the huge market shares, other companies will take advantages on you.

this is the technology competition. people are always asking for the latest model when buying the electronic goods.

buy what you can afford, if you've never had a HDTV before, chances are, you'll be happy with any of the panny plasma... obviously, it'll be diff if you're upgrading...

So from the few comments here, can I take it as the NeoPDP technology is mere marketing fluff?

Higher contrast ratio, brighter, slimmer panel, saves energy. The NeoPDP in the G10 is definitely a step up from the S10, no doubt. My concern is whether all these 'improvements' are worth/significant enough to cough up the additional RM2,000.

RRP = RM6,399, how many inch?

by the way, what else apart from NeoPDP?
(and is it 100% really NeoPDP)?
btw,(i'm a bit slow),how did we knew S10 was not NeoPDP?

tq.

You're not in a hurry right? So wait until you can do a demo then decide if it's worth it or not. I find it pointless to ask in this forum when no one has actually demo'd the NeoPDP panel yet.

Also, why jump to conclusions so fast that it is mere marketing fluff? What is fluff is the comments given which so far are either uninformed or irrelevant. Basing your conclusion on the comments given so far is premature.

This post has been edited by jchong: Jun 16 2009, 11:16 PM

It is not always true that newer models are always better than the older model. With the price of the flat TV coming down so fast, manufacturers are sometimes force to release cheaper models to stay in the game and that means cutting out features using cheaper components to keep the price low while improving a little bit here and there just to the spec on paper looks good. Even the warranty period is cut. In the past even entry level flat tv have swivel stand but now you can hardly find them even in the mid range tv.

whether its worth Rm2000 is a personal call. Some people are so kiasu that they just have to have the latest. Some prefer to have the Rm2000 in their wallet warm and cosy.

as a matter of fact, 95% of the customers will still choose the new model instead of the old model before making decision. we just cant deny it.

other than that, the customers will look at the price (primary) and also the features (secondary). the customers dont take the cheaper components issue into the consideration

just an example, Pioneer KURO has a very high standard spec and also at a premium price, how many customers can afford this budget?

and now P42G10 is the closest rival to Pioneer KURO (ever since 50PY850 series) with a more reasonable price, this is the reason why Pioneer has to close down its Plasma panel production after this year due to pathetic market shares loss to panasonic since 2008.

for those who are looking for the best plasma tv yet at an affordable price, P42G10 is highly recommended.

When will u be listing the P42G10 in your sales thread?

for me....i will see both, if i like the g10, i just buy it but if the pq like the same, with 2k, i rather buy audio system..my idea..

Hey, Coolguy!

Its 42". The only G10 size in Malaysia (ATM, at least )

Its with the new NeoPDP, the thing thats lacking in the S10, and the one you were waiting for Other than that, the other difference (to S10) is its Sub-field Drive is 50Hz more. I don't think there's anything else major, thats why my question of whether the NeoPDP does justice to my sweat and blood RM2K.

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Added on June 17, 2009, 11:08 amDun worry, I actually do have my own opinion about the NeoPDP, but would just like to hear it from the rest of you guys first

There's no urgency and I do agree that the best way to conclude the 'value' of the NeoPDP is for a live demo, or at least a sneak peak from people like iamsobloodysick, htkaki, tan, etc. Having said that, its either the S10 or the G10 for me, and I heard the S10 promo with BD will end soon, hence ... kan cheong lo, thats why need some invaluable feedback soonest

This post has been edited by Lone*Wolf: Jun 17 2009, 11:08 AM

actually what really matters is Full HD or not. All this new terms are gimmicks. It is like cars. You have all the features etc, but do you use it? Or are they really needed? Other than ABS, most of the countless of features that have come out over the years are merely gimmicks.

The same with Plasmas.

The G series is a waste of money. It only serves those who have lots of money. At the double the price, it won't constitute volume for Panasonic. Volume brings money. Thus Panasonic would concentrate on their X and S.

There are actual panel differences in a NeoPDP panel as I described in my explanation in the LCD and Plasma Thread.

Actually Neo-PDP is also supposed to give higher luminance values, ie brighter whites. One of the drawbacks of plasma tech is that to display a full screen white screen would be limited due to what is known as the Automatic Peak Limiter. This limiter is there to ensure that the power supply is not driven past its limits. Thus the general tendencies of the man in the street to compare LCD which can have a higher peak white limit making it brighter. The problem is for movie viewing this is not important as the correct "windowed" white peak limit for correct viewing is anywhere between 30-40 ft/L in a dimly lit room (light source behind the panel or 10% of the brightest white). Almost all plasmas are more than capable of accurate grayscale at this range. The correct practices of viewing are not cared by most and they make decisions on what they see in the showroom floor where the lights are full blast.

The quest for plasma was always to get to 5lumens and 10lumens tech that will allow it to show brighter images to counter the "super bright but normally inaccurate" whites that the LCDs put out.

5lumens and 10lumens tech is important for plasma, it evens the playing field in both the areas that are used by the LCD group to downplay plasma, namely, brighter images and lower power consumption. It also will allow for thinner panels. I believe the Z series that Panasonic has out this year might actually be using something close to that.

NeoPDPs are a step in that direction. It is not quite 5 lumens tech (I believe somewhere in the 2-3lumens). Pioneer actually demoed 5/10lumens tech last year in CES and called it extreme contrast (brighter whites, super blacks and very thin panels) but unfortunately, have pulled out. This technology would also make plasma panel manufacturing cheaper with better yield eventually

So there are differences, and if calibrated correctly you will see it. However, if your wallet does not feel the differences are worth it to your eyes, then by all means get what you like.

It is important not to dismiss innovations in technology. This is a step forward. Next year all panels will be NeoPDP and soon all panels will be 5lumens/10lumens tech. It will be different. But it might not be important to you.

The stuff about the 550Hz vs 600Hz sub pixel refresh is marketing gimmick to counter the human fascination to higher numbers (ie, LCDs 100Hz>200Hz>240Hz) refresh rate advertisements.

Plasma displays do not refresh like LCDs, it is almost instantaneous.

In short, value is in the eyes of the beholder, just like beauty. As long as you see the difference and you accept the differences in price for the techology then go for it.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jun 17 2009, 11:48 AM

the difference between G and S will not be night and day. In fact it will not be even noticeable to most people.

The most notable difference is that S series owner will have thicker wallet after the purchase.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 17 2009, 11:50 AM

Panasonic NeoPDP is the latest technology like LED-lit LCD TV from Samsung.

the panel of P42S10 is an upgraded version from 42PV80. however, NeoPDP is the new technology incorporated in plasma panel to reduce power consumption almost 50% less and to provide similar brightness compared to P42S10/P42C10 (this is a good news for those people who want to consider plasma tv but claim that 'kuat makan current').

regarding the reflective glass, since plasma panel is made of glass (unlike plastic for LCD tv), 100% reflection elimination is impossible. somehow, NeoPDP has kept the same anti-reflective plasma glare material as PY850.

if panasonic japan is going to release the NeoPDP which it unveiled during the CES Jan 2009 in LAS VEGAS/Panasonic Fair in Osaka 2008, the panel thickness will be less than 10mm. i guess this model most probably will not come out so soon.

to be exact, the panel is somewhat 25mm thick (tbc).

Sorry, I was editing my post when you were posting. Take a read of the explanations of NeoPDP, it is interesting. Also if you are a person who has an eye for details, you might see it.

For example, the differences between the PV80 and the X10 were almost night and day to me, even before calibrating. After calibration, I was really impressed on how much Panny improved on their PV80 which was pretty good. Also the reflection issue, hopefully I can see a S series soon to see how much better it is to the X10.

BTW I don't own either, this is based on calibrating peoples displays.