u are smart ..
in that case, i would consider Vistana as a better bet .. Completion of M-Sentral would also benefit Vistana apart from TS ..
moreover, Vistana entry cost is still much lower at least 100k less than TS ..
Upon completion of M-Sentral, TS can command 770k, then Vistana can command 700k .. so the return rate is still higher than TS ..

Was it you or Ken who claimed new development has got zero impact to development next door? Change story now?

aiyaa Pai, i m helping u to talk-up TS a bit ma .. u dont like meh ...
ya la TS completion sure have major impact on Vistana pricing ma ..
luckily my prop that has no new development within vicinity also increase in price ..
surprisingly 9/10 of my frens also told me their prop increase about 50% over the last two years .. i think all their prop also near to new development ..

No need to "talk up" or "talk down" on anything, just present facts or business case to substantiate your claims will do.

XCasa mutiara also have major impact on Mutiara Villa as Pai said

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Added on September 7, 2011, 2:10 pmthe fact is properties price keep increasing since last 2 years .not only vistana,but mostly all in Kl.
Pai maybe u r right..vistana pricxe inxcrease because of TS and Mutiara Villa bexcause of casa Mutiara..PaI REALLY SMART

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Added on September 7, 2011, 2:12 pmWHY ?Pai y u want to start it again

This post has been edited by ken8120: Sep 7 2011, 02:12 PM

So it was you the one who claimed new development like M-Sentral won't impact the likes of TS or Vistana. Noted................

one a serious note.....since u disagree with my theory.......Please do explain to us then why the 1000sqf unit in Vistana went from less than 200k in 2009 to now 350k in just 2 years? That's approx 70% growth in caps........and I don't think all props in KL enjoyed the same 70% growth over the last 2 years as per your claim?

Pai pai,vistana price in 2009 range from rm240k to rm300k.Pls dont make our forumer here confuse with your own pricing.Now majority sell between rm340k to rm370 k.. stil want me to explain

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Added on September 7, 2011, 4:31 pmansd i sdisdnt say Msentral wont impaxct properties there but i am sure Vistana properties inxcrease not bexcause of TS

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Added on September 7, 2011, 4:43 pm

Pai,we are still waiting for the number?dont have?cant give?your intentions is very obvious

This post has been edited by ken8120: Sep 7 2011, 04:43 PM

No need to argue la .. do iprop check ma know who is lying and confusing ppl lor ..
let me check
http://www.iproperty.com.my/property/searc...mp=10&sby=&pg=1

the link above refers to 2011 listing ..
see Pai is correct and spot on again all Vistana listing all minimum asking 350k .. a 1200sqft is asking 360k
er .. wait a minute .. there are also asking at 167k .. oh that is not counted cos it's for bank auction only .. so we shud set at 360k as the price ..

ok now let's see 2010 listing

http://www.iproperty.com.my/property/searc...mp=10&sby=&pg=1

see Pai is correct again .. the price for 1200sqft in early year was 300k ..

ok now here comes the 2009 listing

http://www.iproperty.com.my/property/searc...06/12/2009&ns=1

Pai is again extremely correct, price was only 150k for 1000sqft although it has only one listing plus it's bank auction prop ..

but yea .. Pai is ABSOLUTELY right .. the bank auctioned prop was less than 200k in 2009 and now the general asking price is 360k in 2011 .. but we shouldnt consider the auctioned prop that is less than 200k in 2011 okay cos that defeats the purpose of having 70% increase in Vistana residences due to TS completion ..

This is the fact in which Pai stated, so i hope other ppl dont lie anymore ..

This post has been edited by zavier98: Sep 7 2011, 08:25 PM

hehe Zavier/Ken,

TS was launched in June 2009.........so any advert for Vistana post June 2009 must have taken TS's new price into consideration...........like I said previously no owner will want to sell his prop cheap-cheap when next door is asking for the sky? Even Zavier couldnt find Vistana asking prices post June 2009.........

Why not u post your findings on Vistana pre-june 2009? I've checked as far as 2007.........and FYI the lowest asking for the 1006sqf unit in Vistana was 145k but average was around 180k. FYI :

VISTANA CONDO 1059sf 3r2b high flr nr LRT RM185k Menara Seputih 969sf 3r2b RM162k. 012-3716202 E673 -
For Sale - 12 Aug 2008

KL VISTANA condo 1027sf 3r2b condo nr Grand Season hotel very cheap RM180k. 012-3031543/62774473. E30191 -
For Sale - 20 Feb 2008

KL VISTANA Condo 1001sf North Tower 21st floor u/sale from RM145k. May 012-382 9237 / 012-3357697 E(3)0211 -
For Sale - 10 Nov 2007
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VISTANA CONDO near LRT 1060sf 3r2b RM185k Below Mkt 019-2321586 / 012-2261918 / 77296333 E(3)0211 --
For Sale - 06 Jan 2007

So u can see Vistana prices has been stagnant for donkey years...............until 2009..........when TS was born.............


p/s : Regular forumers can PM me for the link of this site that I use...........they still keep asking prices from 2007-2008..........very useful

i did what you asked me only wor .. i m ur follower ma ...
so Pai wants me to check prior to 2008 ? .. okok .. i try my best but no guarantee ..

here gotcha ..
http://www.iproperty.com.my/property/searc...06/09/2008&ns=1

ooOOpppsss ermm .. price in 2007 / 2006 was 250k wor .. ermm okok tak main ..
the iproperty website cannot be trusted wan .. Pai source is the most ACCURATE and CORRECT ..

so Pai why dont you show us your source to prove ur claim .. cos if u dont, my friend dont believe in me wor .. before we can get ken to tell us more, we need u to tell us whether ur claim is good enuff ..
let's see if we can get something this time or will he continue to lie and confuse ppl ..
ohh i mean those who disagreed with Pai

[VISTANA CONDO 1059sf 3r2b high flr nr LRT RM185k Menara Seputih 969sf 3r2b RM162k. 012-3716202 E673 -
For Sale - 12 Aug 2008

KL VISTANA condo 1027sf 3r2b condo nr Grand Season hotel very cheap RM180k. 012-3031543/62774473. E30191 -
For Sale - 20 Feb 2008

KL VISTANA Condo 1001sf North Tower 21st floor u/sale from RM145k. May 012-382 9237 / 012-3357697 E(3)0211 -
For Sale - 10 Nov 2007 (AUCTION PROPERTY) - Call off
Avg. User Rating :

VISTANA CONDO near LRT 1060sf 3r2b RM185k Below Mkt 019-2321586 / 012-2261918 / 77296333 E(3)0211 --
For Sale - 06 Jan 2007 (AUCTION PROPERTY) - Transacted at 220+K


In 2007, Vistana is at around 180-200psf. Those selling at 240k are those with 1200+ or 1300sqf unit.
In 2008, price go to 200-240psf, 2009 at similar lever and late 2009 move to 220psf to 250psf
i have been to 2-3 Vistana auction in 2007 and 2008 but fail to get one. Rental is around 1600 F/F at that moment for standard 1000sf 2+1 unit.

In early 2010 stay someway around there. However price start to move since mid 2010, from 250psf to 300psf. Now i believe it is about 300-350psf

Pls take note that the facing and layout of the unit make lot of difference in psf price. at least 10% difference.

There is a step increase over 3 month time the price of Vistana in late 2010 to early 2011. YTL is trying to dispose it unit in Vistana R. In late nov/Dec 2010, it is at around 250psf but in Feb/mar 2011, it increase the price to 300psf in the next batch after looking at the transacted price of TS.

This post has been edited by doremon72: Sep 8 2011, 04:18 PM

Chief,

Many thanks for sharing.........so my recollection was accurate after all......That Vistana was going for around 200psf prior to TS launch in Mid 2009.........n the 2008 adv has got a unit going for 185psf only......n today most r asking 330 to 350psf.....close to double values in just 3 years.......

It's clear now prices in Vistana starts moving up aggressively only after TS was launch........despite what some might say in the hope of getting TS for themselves on the cheap ...... Just ignore it n don't fall to their cheap tricks......

We all should pray Mah Sing quickly launch n complete M-Sentral........ And here's some food for thought......

.Vistana today commands 330 to 350psf...........while TS commands 420psf ..........that's approx 20% premium for TS.........

Fast forward to 2016.......assuming upon completion of M-Sentral units there are asking 800psf.......how much will TS next door commands............?

Ts launh price also 250++psf so cheap.why?because 2007 to 2008 economy crisis..all property is very cheap..then 2009 onwards world economy improved..most property increase in value.since Ts launch price is 230++pst..what make this Ts affect vistana?TS increase so much from rm250k to rm450k because of what?of course because of VISTANA LOL only Pai know

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Added on September 9, 2011, 12:50 amPAI,me and rachel stil waiting..y so long?or your words come with intentions

This post has been edited by ken8120: Sep 9 2011, 12:57 AM

chief, sorry
just want to ask
icon mont kiara mah sing launch at high price.
but rest of mont kiara price dont follow. take up icon also slow

770k can buy mont kiara already.
the facilties at mont kiara of course much better
yes i wish ts hit 770k as well

Say whatever u want on Vistana.......proof is there for everyone to see.......why Vistana shoots up after Mid 2009......it's ok if u don't understand.........

Sorry just saw this n will not passing u the contact.......tenant saw my unit again now contemplating whether to up their offer......but those who has units in TS fully furnished pls pm me your contact.......if this tenant really can't match my asking price later Im happy to forward u the contact........but I will need to see proof of ownership for your TS unit before I pass u the contact.........sorry for being difficult but there r just too many dodgy characters recently.......

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Added on September 9, 2011, 1:17 amChief.......MK condo's r better than those in KL Sentral........ But why does KL Sentral condo commands higher premium?

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 9 2011, 01:17 AM

I have no issue in renting out my unit F/F after 1 week in the market. However the price is not as good as the one Pai is asking due to the clever agent quote my min price to the tenant

I have average 1-2 viewing per day. Waiting for another unit to complete the furnishing for rental. Pai, pls pass me your prospect if they cannot agree with your price.

In view of the negative points mentioned by some before, I might consider to buy another unit if price is "right"....Anyone want to let go urgently (RM430k standard unit KL view above 15floor or pool view above 7th floor ), pls PM me.

430k for KL view? Doubt you can find it and not even Titiwangsa view. Anyway good viewing rate of 1-2 per day, believe soon you may get your targeted rental rate.

You know some ppl getting desperate when they don't reply your question... now need proof of ownership pulak to get the contact...so many excuse after he claimed to have rejected the 2.6k offer... now another story came... tenant might top up...wah... so unbelievable....

well, you can try by send Pai your snp page stated that you are true owner of TS. No harm to try it out and who knows it turn out to be win win situation for both of u which Pai maintain his credibility while you getting your tenant to fill your unit right?

haha... even agents don't require S&P page to bring in potential tenants.... i think if one tenant willing to offer 2.6k... hundreds of owner will be line up to get it... how much chance is there anyway... no one will play the reject game