In 2 weeks time I'll be shifting out cause of studies to a Condo that actually has a Gym. Yay for me because my previous problem was that there was no gym available for me. Ok, so the working out part not much problem, main problem is my nutrition versus money.

First of all, I don't know whether I'm lactose intolerant or not. I googled it and they say that if take too much milk will feel bloated. Yes I do feel bloated, but there is no discomfort or pain or farting. Will ON 100% work for me? I don't want to buy it for RM190 (this is really big amount for me) and then end up puking every time I drink.

Secondly, since I'm shifting out and staying away from my parents, food is another issue. I have to get all the food I need by myself. Currently, all I do is just chunk in all the meat my Mom cooks. But living outside, I might not be able to eat at regular times. Heck maybe I might be skipping breakfast or having late dinners depending on how busy my studies are. Would buying whey solve this problem? If I just drink this pre-workout and post-workout, would it be enough to gain weight?

A friend told me that whey is much cheaper than if I were to spend on the same amount of protein gained from cooked food. True?

On my resting days, should I still drink whey? Or save money by just drinking normal milk powder with oats?

One more thing, is there a cheaper whey that is effective as well? RM190 is kinda off my budget. I was expecting like RM100 or so. Do those protein drinks from pharmacies work? I remember seeing them like RM70 or so. Not sure they're for gaining weight or what, but there's a bodybuilder picture there.


Sorry if this looks like a bombardment of questions. I never thought of buying whey until now. I usually resort to my simple Fernleaf Milk Powder + Quaker Instant Oats for both pre-workout and post-workout, and I eat like a dog on every meal. Yet my weight is still stuck at 65 kgs.

This post has been edited by Xalvin: May 14 2009, 04:36 PM

Like what Syd asked in your 1st thread, What is your goal in the 1st place?

You can still have good food like chap fan. You just gotta know what to choose if its available.

Have you been working out? or starting to?

save ur money from buying whey.. just focus on your raw food and workout.. after 2 month, see got different or not. if not, the answers is simple.. your food intake or workout is s u c k.. by taken any supplement it doesnt change anything.. if supplement is miracle.. then you will see many huge people from lowyat.net.. some of them even take 100% whey monthly... Just drink plenty of full cream milk.. 1.5 litter or more a day..

I've been working out for quite long already. And I've been "focusing" on raw food for nearly 5 months. Yeah, chap fan everything tambah nasi tambah portion what also I add double.

And yes I do drink full cream milk everyday. About 1 Litre a day would work for me, I can't drink too much because I read somewhere that too much dairy products would actually cause pimples.

I'm pretty sure that its my metabolism. I really never care for my fat intake my whole life. Eat anything I liked and never grew fat.

Now all I want is to grow big. Now I'm quite lean, and I've got hard muscles everywhere. Sort of the athlete build. I want to bring my build to the next level. So, would whey help me bulk up?

I drink what is for me an inordinate amount of full-cream milk a day, about 1.5 - 2 liters a day. That's still nothing compared to the GOMAD Rippetoe insists skinny guys like me drink. 1 gallon = 3.8 liters.

I recently discovered the key to consuming this much and not be bloated. I only drink one glass (250 ml) at a seating, and make sure the next glass is consumed only after an hour. So try spacing out your consumption evenly over the day. I really feel bloated when I down two glasses at once. I also leave gaps of 1 hour between and after meals. I think you'll feel better that way.

And yeah, I do notice a higher frequency of pimples. Nothing bad, just one or two. Ah, the price of muscles.

Start by calculating how much protein intake/day ... More protein doesn't guarantee higher growth ... there are other factors as well.

Well well well , first of all buddy, u should have post this in bodybuilding thread instead of opening up a new one, similiar thread has been emerge and closed,. Anywhere to answer ur question, since ur goal is to gain weight so i assume that u wan to bulk.

TO BULK
-u need extra calories intake.
-supplement cant help u if ur diet is not proper.
-if u only eat 3 meals a day, trust me, u will be owas running ard at ur starting line. U wont go anyway. AGAIN take more calories, break it into 6 meals.
-eat 1g of protein to /lbs of ur bodyweight.
-Possible, Eat "real" food (eggs, meat, milk)

Can u take whey on non workout day?
- ask u a question, can u take meat on non workout day?


A friend told me that whey is much cheaper than if I were to spend on the same amount of protein gained from cooked food. True?

Erm... this is not the way u save ur money ><

By the way dude, try to read the sticky that we have it on our H&F for why u r not growing, diet plan and etc. There is bunch of infor for ur micro and macro intake needs.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/350964

this one Hope it helps.

Cheaper protein source? Erm...

1 tub = 77 servings, 24g of protein per serving
1 tub = RM190
1 serving of 24g protein ~RM2.47
RM2.47 ~ 8 eggs ~ 56g of protein

Eat more.

I've already mentioned in my old topic there that I didn't notice the bodybuilding thread was seperated. It used to be discussed at the main topic. Which is also why I mentioned I'll be posting a new one here and that one should be ignored.

Yeah, read all the stickies.

Read that many times. Even that topic mentions use of whey if you don't have time to eat solid food before workout. Which could be my problem.

Eggs need some preparation right? Most of my college days I REALLY don't have time to prepare such breakfast. I normally just eat lots and lots of wholemeal bread with sliced Ham and Cheese. I think I said wrongly about the money part. My main problem is more to time where I can't prepare cooked food. I will have to mostly rely on Chap Fan and nowadays eating out is so darn expensive. I can almost spend RM10 per Chap Fan meal. That's where I'm comparing price : Whey to Outside food.

And guys I DO eat a lot. If according to that growth topic, I'm not growing because I very seldom go to a gym(no nearby ones). Almost 90% of my workouts do at home, which goes to another problem where home workouts have very little variation and if keep doing, your muscles will get too used to the strain.

So, basically I just want to plan out my nutrition when I start working out properly. Sorry if I'm sounding rude, having exam periods now and getting alot of stress here and there.
Thanks so much for your advices too

This post has been edited by Xalvin: May 14 2009, 06:16 PM

I wouldn't spend RM 10 on chap fan. For for McD value meal, the one with the Big Mac. Just had one for lunch today.

Eggs preparation is easy ... just hard boil em for god sake. Cheap and good source of protein. We can't calculate for you because we don't know what the hell you're eating spending on those RM10 Split the protein consumption though. By the way, time is just an excuse. Wake up one hour earlier man.

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Added on May 14, 2009, 6:26 pmMy gawd

This post has been edited by JustForFun: May 14 2009, 06:28 PM

not easy le 1shot eat 8 eggs...dats why i consume 2 scoop of whey post-work... if 8 eggs= 56g i need around 20eggs daily hehe....

you dont eat enough dude...im an ecto like you but after i change my diet to 5-6meals per day i gain weight le... dont eat 3 big meals it doesnt work that way...you have to eat every 3-4 hours...

Which is why I'm saying that even time to hard boil the eggs also I can't squeeze in. But of course on days that I have time I would do it. Oh about waking up an hour earlier. Its tough when you gotta study till late at night, and then have another 8 hour class next morning. Sometimes I just have to grab as many hours of sleep as I can. Bodybuilding need good rest too right?

I wonder how you guys working already have time to do all this.
Worry whether you got workout enough or not and worry how much you're eating. Haha guess I have to change my time management abit

This post has been edited by Xalvin: May 14 2009, 06:38 PM

No time? Why not?

I make time by waking up early to cook. So if you want to prepare a meal. Plan ahead. Yes, I'm working.

Make adjustments. If you sleep late then it will be difficult to wake up to cook etc etc. So I guess U gotta plan how u would want to prepare your meals.

When I was at university, I worked like a poor f**** dog. Got kicked around by tutors and profs. Ridiculous schedule that leaves me no time to even visit a hairdresser. It was 24/7. I did that for 7 years.

Now that I'm working, I take leisurely dim sum breakfasts on weekends, work out at home 3X a week, go shopping on evenings, get pedicures, eat as much as I need, etc. Life is good.

Seems like working life has much more time compared to university life eh?
And they say uni life is the best and all

I guess it really depends on the field you're studying or working. I'm doing Actuarial Science and even if the classes are little not as much as Accounting, the amount of things you have to self-study is hell. During my internship, the Actuarials of the company had to work their *** off overnights.

Back on topic, so far everyone here discouraged me from getting the whey. So I guess I'll take your advices mentioned. But then I think I'll still get the whey while pumping up my food.

Well dude, Whey is just as good. I mean...

You work out hard in the gym, then u take your protein shake. Rest, shower then proceed for a solid meal right?

Anyway, I'm sure you get the point. Just plan and see how you can fit these in. Rm190 should be alright la. =P worth the money for protein supplement.

ON's whey double rich choc is nice even if you mix with water. I'm using GnC shaker and I only use 10ounes of water + 2 scoops of whey. Tastes okay... of course, Mixing it with Milk will da bomb! haha Shiok gila.

Good luck. Hope you are able to work it out bro!

haha. yea seems to me that time management is a major issue for u. since you are afraid of being tired for 8 hour classes.. its alright if u wake up early to prepare breakfast and since you're at it you could prepare a small meal for like 11am also. and if u eat the right breakfast eg. protein, carbs with some fibre. there'll be enough energy to last u thru the whole day! the whey protein is not a meal replacement but makes a really good small snack at 11am or 3-4pm. so taking those 2 small snacks +breakfast+lunch+dinner =5meals.. you're bound to gain weight =D good luck bro!

u should change ur timetable ady...
study life is much more better than working life..
compare n see...
during study life...u can prepare n eat 6 meals per day..
while working life....it was vry hard to prepare 6 meals...
u should use this opportunity now....