takde orang yang tak support local football di sini, the question is only this: "Why cant we support football teams abroad", thats all. I support MU doesnt mean i look down on Malaysia National football team. get your facts right before commenting.

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Jan 31 2011, 06:26 PM

ko ni tak reti baca ke apa?
skrang ni, bukan cakap pasal tak sokong bola sepak tempatan.
takkan i sokong selangor dan sokong team europa tapi digelar glory hunter?
mana logicnya bang.

for example, i admire and support the la lakers of nba does that make me a glory hunter?
i listen to songs by snsd but did not listen to songs by siti nurhaliza. so am i a glory hunter?

takper bro..

target aku bukan untuk tukar hati derang pon. Hati derang memang sah sah keras.. macam aku dah cakap tadi, bile kita dah buat bende tu terlampau lama.. memang susah nak ubah.

target aku sebernanye adalah2 untuk bagi silent2 reader lain kat sini untuk fikirkan bende tu. tu saje. Dan kalau aku nak timbulkan isu ni dengan berkesan, memang tak ada pilihan lain selain bertukar 'point' dengan view yang paling hard-core.... and i would like to thank them for a lot of fair views from their side.. have to give credit...

feels good to know ade effect dari usaha ni... but i not done yet..

aku ni main bola tak reti.. nak masuk football admistration, politik plak tak kuat... so kalau nak improve keadaan bola kita, sebagai fan, aku hanya boleh effect fellow fan melalui discussion je la....

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Jan 31 2011, 06:41 PM

sorry dah ada orang yg mengaku x support local football kat sini, dan aku pasti ada lg sebenarnya cme x mengaku je (maksud aku cakap kt mulut je tp no action). Dan aku cume terkilan bila argument dari aressandro dipermain2kan dan di putarbelit semata2 untuk dijadikan alasan (daripada bola sepak, masuk pulak international movie).
Yang pasti masih ramai lg letak bola sepak luar negara lg tinggi berbanding bola sepak tempatan. Contohnya, berapa banyak diskusi tentang perlawanan pembukaan Liga M Sabtu lepas berbanding liga2 eropah? Fans Indonesia walaupun bengap2 dan biadap tp aku admire jumlah kedatangan mereka di stadium tiap2 match.

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Added on January 31, 2011, 6:47 pmaku ni pn slow2 follow Liga M start season ni, entahla boleh tahan smpai bila. Dulu haram, jgn harap la nk baca kat paper. Selasa ni ada match ke-2 betul x? Dan aku paham kadang2 politik dalaman buat orang menyampah dgn Bola sepak tempatan, tp bila dipikir2 balik bukan kt Malaysia je. Serie A dh berapa banyak skandal rasuah? Tp tetap ada fans. Maybe mutu Liga M ni rendah lagi, x menarik tu yang orang x minat.

This post has been edited by Angel of Deth: Jan 31 2011, 06:48 PM

fans indonesia actually the epitome of my points. setiap match team derang akan dianggap sebagai perang. baik atas padang. atau di atas stand...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_AFF_Suzuki_Cup
cbe tengok attendance untuk 2008 Suzuki Cup. X pastila maklumat ni tepat atau x, tp aku kagum dgn attendance Indonesia walaupun perlawanan pembukaan.

that, nobody deny. We all should try our best to emulate them in the positive side of local football. But u dare tell me none of them support European football as well?

Haha..Nice one Duke. Macam debat between BN and PKR.

Bro, aku respek sbb ko nak revive kan liga M. takde masalah. aku fan Selangor since dari semi pro dulu. lahir and besar kat Selangor. tapi, tak boleh nak label orang camni, kene respek orang lain punya views jugak. kalau kita nak orang terima kita, kita kena terima dorang jugak. kamon, kalau bro muslim/Islam, ni antara ajaran terbaik Rasulullah S.A.W.

Bkan kondem orang.

Kalo ko nak cakap pasal air_mood, aku leh vouch utk dia. Dia mmg pegi Malaysia nye match kat stadium. Aku kenal dia in real life.

Skarang ni, dia cuba bukak mata and minda korang. Kalau korang boleh terima orang yang pakai branded instead of kasut buatan gombak, kenapa tak boleh terima orang yang sokong team luar dari sokong team dalam negara?

Analogi dia same je. Cuba pk balik.

Pastu, bro, ko generalise fans Indonesia. Bengap and biadap? Tengok dalam negara sendiri dulu sblom label orang lain macam2. Macam match Selangor vs Kelantan. Lasers, mercun. So, boleh kita label Malaysians bengap dan biadap?

Penah pergi Indonesia tak bro? Penah tengok country dorang camne? Sume bende ni related dengan support dorang towards dorang punya local team.

Oii .. not politics. Pegi RWI.

bengap dan biadap tu cme hyperbola je dalam statement aku, bila pikir balik mmg x patut aku gne ayat tu. Tp damaged has been done, aku bkn orang yg akan edit previous post untuk selamatkan diri.
Berkenaan air_mood, aku terima view dia tp aku rasa dh off topic bila masuk bab international movie. X pastila sama ada view aku yg sempit tp aku x rasa tu alasan yg sesuai nk dikaitkan dgn bola sepak, terlalu general. dgn aku tgok aressandro sorang2 kne bedil dlm thread ni cm x adil pulak.
Glory Hunter ni pulak mungkin berbunyi agak offensive bg sesetengah orang, tp bg aku, aku terima je sebab aku sokong Arsenal pn ada sedikit sebanyak dgn kedudukan dia dalam liga awal 90-an dlu.

Kalau ko perasan, most of them tengah counter post the troll yukielow. with arresandro10 trying to back that yukielow up, of coz kene skali.

pasal movie and bola sepak. same je analogy nye. pk tul2.

btw, ko rasa ko mungkin tergolong dalam GH, tp cane kalau those yang sokong Leeds United? cam member aku, penyokong tegar Leeds dari dulu sampai skarang. relations dia? dia penah duduk sana jap. dia tak pegi pon matches but dia support je Leeds.

I like debates. Responding with insults isn't debating.

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Added on January 31, 2011, 7:42 pmI like debates. Responding with insults isn't debating.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 31 2011, 07:42 PM

Yeah, and I guess we should know ourselves better. Can't help it if they wanna call you GH. Replying to this kind of post is a big no no for me. Wasting time...

This post has been edited by O-haiyo: Jan 31 2011, 07:50 PM

We are locals with England because this is a non-border world aimed by the globalisation. All those ICT bullcrap is going to make us support foreign products omg pls dont do that. Pls just buy all local products.

Enuf is enuf with sticking to local. Look at Thailand. They have never been invaded by foreigners before and look at their current condition. Seriously, im sick of all this supporting local when everyone goes crazy buying Justin Bieber or Jay Chou tickets when they are coming to malaysia while local bands are not always full.

I see u guys talking about this supporting local and out there so many foreign cars.

Go to ur house all pakai foreign branded electric appliances.

See all pakai wat kind of shirt la. Gucci here Coach there. Nike here Adidas there.

Furnitures all local made ?

None of the big four teams are barring foreign supporters.

In fact, they've done lots to increase non-white participation, in turn making it easier for foreign fans to watch them.

They don't see these fans as glory hunters and I don't see why your opinion trumps theirs?

Never mind that a lot of fans of 'local' clubs are not necessarily local either. I know an Englishman who supports Dundee, because his grandad was from there. He has only ever been to Dundee a couple of times. Yet, he would still be considered a genuine Dundee fan.

Or what about St. Pauli in Germany? It's a hippy club, with hippy ideals. It's located right off the Reeperbahn, Hamburg's red light district of stip clubs where the Beatles once played and it's fans see themselves as non-conformist, anti-commercial and unmaterialistc. They welcome fans from all over the place and don't care about locality.

It is the club's own responsibility to define what sort of club they want to be and what sort of fans they want (local? global? hippies?). Even Tottenham wants to move to Stratford.

Clubs used to be highly local indeed. Celtic won the European cup with players born within a 4 mile radius of Glasgow. Such is not the case now. If a club wants to change it's makeup and core values to be less rooted in its locality, then that is their choice and their consequence to bear.

So it is not your place to define for the clubs what sort of fans they should look out for. They can make those decisions well enough without you.

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Added on January 31, 2011, 11:44 pmCars and furniture are transportable, manufactured commodities.

Football clubs are not.

They cannot be compared.

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Added on January 31, 2011, 11:46 pmI can find you plenty of Scousers who got into Liverpool when they were 8 or 9 after seeing Dalglish.

By your definition, they are now glory-hunters too.

This post has been edited by minority: Feb 1 2011, 12:18 AM

football clubs are not transferable because? Because u cant transfer the stadium to local? is that what u are saying? Coz as far as i know, u can be supportive by buying their products like jerseys or jumpers if u cant afford to travel all the way to England for a game.

I dont see how "going to the stadium" gives u the genuine supporter tag. Obviously if we have the chance, we would go, bt can we afford it in the first place? Local games are probably going to be affordable but would the quality be as good?

Thanks for the insight again. You are right, that is YOUR view. Glad to see so very few share it.

Once again, stop hiding behind the keyboard if you want to persist with name calling.

Hi guyz.... we always say fans are the glory hunter... so after torres left liverpool to chelsea.... can torres consider to be a glory hunter? he shower chelsea with lotsa praise even before kicked a ball...

Different. Players change clubs. They don't always play for clubs they support. Its a career so it's natural to move for more money. All you can ask is that they be upfront and honest.

Did you or did you not say earlier that the club belongs to you because you spend money on tickets? So which is it now?