This is what im talking about.Generally we all suppose to be belongs to our nature ground,the city you live in and the country you born in.This is why the English they are supporting their teams and the England national team.Will any English fan come to tell you his a Spain fan or German Fan? No way.Same otherwise.
So you have the right to admire other top country and be a fan.And as a Fan you can be a Fan of numerous team bcos you just admire every each of them.

There isn't a right or wrong as far as I'm concerned. I disagree that we absolutely have to embrace everything about the place we were born in our entire lives. When you're older and wiser, you make your own choices. To understand where I'm coming from with regards to where I was born and why I don't support Selangor as I once did anymore, you'll have to visit the other thread on Malaysian football. You can't force loyalty upon a person. It's why the say that there is nothing stronger than the heart of a volunteer. You can't force someone to be patriotic. You can't force someone to accept your opinion. Instead, you need to create reasons for them to want to be patriotic or to accept your opinion. It's the classic "push" vs. "pull" strategy. I just think that people should focus more on creating a pull.

Far as I'm concerned, I don't see myself as being as 'good' a fan as those that frequent Anfield each week. I've always maintained that as much as I am a fan of Liverpool, I am a fan of Liverpool fans and I aspire to be as close to one as possible. As arresandro said earlier, it is manufactured but then again, so are a lot of things we pick up. We may never truly understand what it's like to be a Liverpool fan unless we live there but if you ask me, the want and desire to be closer to the club is sufficient.

Beandy <-- he is a glory hunter.. emo hunter and childish hunter..
what a noob!

What if those so called glory hunter don't jump ship even after Arsenal don't dominate BPL anymore? They stick to Arsenal. Still call glory hunter?
What I want to say here is that everything must have a initial, defining moment. A reason. I am sure alot of us here start supporting their club because of something, and winning trophies is one of the reason ppl start supporting their club. This doesn't make them a glory hunter, but how is their affection to the club's up and down does.

you are being extremist,
what i said touches only a part of glory hunter as a whole, if you put things to that extreme that they have to jump ship everytime a new club wins
thats the ulimate glory hunter that you meant i guess.

Passion is the key word here. In football, I doubt you will have the same passionate feeling more than 1 club. You may 'like' few other clubs, but thats about it.

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Added on September 2, 2010, 6:47 pmextremist or not, from your statement, everyone who support a club bcos of they are winning trophies are glory hunter. In this case, those who start suppporting Liverpool in the 80's are glory hunter. never mind if they are did not change club when the club having a rough patch. Still a glory hunter.
It sounds so wrong rite? Heck, ppl who start suppporting Arsenal when they won the double, or during the invicible run are glory hunter??? I don't think so, mate.

It's down to what you did to get closer to the club, not how you know the club.
Peace.

This post has been edited by O-haiyo: Sep 2 2010, 06:47 PM

I agree with your use of the word, "passion" which is why it pains me to note that a section of fans think it's unimportant to want to know more about the club they support.

o haiyo i guess you have mistaken my point
glory hunter has a few levels
we are probably the best of the worst in glory hunter category
a bad one eg (well to Arsenal fan's) - beandy
and arguably the worst - leeyawk of barcelona
do you get where i am heading now?

well, i dun wan to say names here, but your statement in the first place kinda misleading lol

yea maybe at times i misused words,sorry for that
but thats what i was really trying to say
names just say only la, they not scared also... they are immune already

we need gh to make the contrast of those holier than thou fans haha

Agree on some part..but any how..Malaysia's Black and Yellow..and Kelantan Read and Warrior...Hehehehe

Wow, a fellow Terengganu fan, I used to wakl to the old stadiums for matches during the Semi Pro time. And was at KLFA Stadium when the team came down a while back.

I didn't know my thread will be revived and go through so many discussions, there some really good ones and there are morons who come in and wreck things, as usual.




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i do think and consider Arsenal fans who conveniently appear in groves because they are "inspired" by the invicible team and Chelsea fans who appear from nowhere during Abramovich and Mourinho era as glory hunters. Not to mention hordes of Manchester United fans that only knew the team during the consistent Alex Ferguson era.

There are many level of glory hunters. By doing a shortcut and to associate yourself with a readymade succesfull team already register you as gloryhunter level 1.

And yes. By this definition this also include liverpool fans from the 80's and even Nottingham Forest fans from the 70's. The fact that you have deep knowledge about your choosen team just make you a knowledgable glory hunter and can make you feel better than other worse glory hunters who know nothing about their team and change clubs and such.

Another way to make you less of a glory hunter is to support your adopted team during their lowest times. But if you actually consider EPL as a league of 20 instead of just 4 teams, Liverpool's "rough patch" is hardly agonizing.

Looking at the "bigger picture", since the 80's Liverpool has won the League Cup 3 times, FA Cup 3 times, UEFA Cup and a glorious European Cup. Not to mention several league, cup and European runners's ups. All this while they has been highly regarded as EPL's "Big 4". I cant hardly remember the last time they do not qualify to Europe. I consider that to be comfortable enough. I know at least 16 other EPL teams who would readily trade places with them. Not to mention the other 72 teams in the whole of English League.

If you want to use example of tormented fan, just look at Leeds, Nottingham Forest, Newcastle or Juventus fans who had to go through relegations. Or worse Fiorentina/Florentia Viola who have to witness their club's disintegration. By that,i just dont think Arsenal, Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool's fans these days are tested enough.

As Duke Red said, there are no right or wrong regarding this matter. No one can stop you if you want to be a gloryhunter. You can also accuse people to be a bigger glory hunter than you. Just as long as you dont forget that you are also a gloryhunter in the first place.

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Added on September 7, 2010, 11:19 pmthis propably broke several gloryhunting rules in several notches, but although i am a Terengganu fan, i also cannot help myself from being happy when Kelantan do well. My upbringing roots criss cross back and forth between these 2 culture that i hope good things to happen to both of them.

Beside. We (and everyone) share a common enemy. ANYTHING BUT SELANGOR damn it..

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Added on September 7, 2010, 11:38 pmThese days, i have not been able to go to the old stadium as i much as i would like. To watch my team, KLFA, Selayang and Shah Alam Stadium has been my 'home' away from home.

Very anxious for Malaysia Cup to start just one week after Hari Raya. I have lineup plans to attend weekends and midweek games involving Terengganu, T-Team and also Kelantan including the appetizer Selangor vs T-Team at Shah Alam stadium on Matchday 1. Hope our little brother will do us proud.

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Sep 7 2010, 11:49 PM

This is where we disagree to a certain extent though. My definition of a glory hunter is not one who started supporting a team because they were winning things and thus, in the lime light. It is one who continues to associate himself to success, and thus has a high tendency to switch allegiances. There are Liverpool supporters who came on-board for various reasons in the 90's when we weren't winning things, when it was easy to succumb to the temptation of supporting Man Utd as they were winning everything in sight.

I do agree that compared to fans of Spurs, Newcastle and Everton, Liverpool have not waited an eternity to win things but you also have to consider that we did and still do get a fair share of flak from mancs. How many people do you know give fans of Spurs stick? 20 years may not be a long time in the grand scheme of things but some have been fans for less time than that. 20 years is also basically 25% of your life. It's true non of us have tasted relegation and until that happens, it's all hypothetical. I hope never to have to go through that test.

We all know that most gloryhunters right now picking up Spain as their teams, but during the Euro 2012 and recent international friendlies, they did not even care about the results...

Pretty much every supporter in Malaysia is a glory hunter unless you support a random midtable and lower team

You can say youve been watching so and so team since you were knee high but at the end of the day, thats because they were still successful back then

Malaysians = Glory Hunters. End of.

if ur saying Malaysians = glory hunters then u must be saying that all fans outside uk =glory hunter

This post has been edited by Envoy: Oct 22 2010, 08:59 PM

For me,I'd define a glory hunter as someone who supports a team who keeps winnnig but doesn't even know the starting XI of the team..you could spot a few new ones at M.City,am sure

This post has been edited by bigbangformula: Oct 22 2010, 09:10 PM

There are some people so stupid yet they are not yet declared retarded. You sir are one of them.

Rightly true. After a season or two gone when Citeh doesnt win anything they will jump on the bandwagon..Feel free to quote me